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Re: Workouts & Heart Rate Range

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  1. Don Kirkman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    It seems to me I heard somewhere that Owen Lowe wrote in article
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Hi all. This > Many runners, at least, (I can't speak for other types of exercise) like


    to alternate hard work with easy recovery. This is usually applied not
    only to daily and weekly routines but to longer periods; e.g., hard
    training preparing for and during competition season and then several
    weeks with little or no running.

    For a beginner runner all days are hard days. As you run more you can
    have hard days where you simply run at a conversational level for more
    miles. You should be running at a conversational level until you are
    running at least 25 miles a week. That program might look something
    like: day one 8 miles, day two rest, day three 4 mile, day four 4
    miles, day five rest, day six 8 miles, day seven rest. Unless you
    intend to race there is no particular reason to ever do intervals.
    For variety maybe you want to run a hilly course a couple of days. Or
    finish the run with a fast quarter mile.

    If you want to race once you get to 25 plus miles a week you will have
    to do speed days. What kind of speed days depends greatly on the
    distance you wish to race.

    Quoted message said:


    It generally takes two to three weeks for the results from any one (or a
    short series of) training session(s) to be integrated into your physical
    capacity. Another reason to be patient, taking advantage of recovery
    periods and being satisfied with slow steady improvement.

    Quoted message said:

    Secondly, is there any cardio benefit to wind sprint type segments
    wherein the rate exceeds the 85% figure?

    IMO that does more for muscular strength and development of speed than
    for cardio benefit, but I'm no doctor.

    If you do the distance runs your heart and lung capacity will build
    faster then your legs will build. And your leg muscles will build
    faster then bones and connective tissues. Intervals will not speed it
    up. They may well injure you if you have not done the distance stuff
    first. Kids (those under 35) can get away with lots of stuff in
    training. As you get older the price of a mistake goes up. It is
    called injury.

    By the way, there are drugs besides statins that cause problems.
    Smoking of course will limit you. But I kind of view smoking as
    natures way of cleaning stupidity out of the gene pool. Beta blockers
    will probably prevent you from going very far. Somehow they mess up
    your glucose - glycogen - glucose cycle causing you to bonk real
    early. Bonking is when you run low on glucose in your blood stream
    resulting in legs turning to jelly, spots in your vision and
    dizzyness. But at least with beta blockers within days of getting off
    the stuff the problems go away. I suppose there are a whole lot of
    other drugs that can also inhibit endurance training.

  2. James, if the slowest jog isn't "easy," then you can still walk for
    your easy days. The more mileage, the more calories burned.

    [email hidden] (James) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Don Kirkman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    It seems to me I heard somewhere that Owen Lowe wrote in article
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Hi all. This > Many runners, at least, (I can't speak for other types of exercise) like


    to alternate hard work with easy recovery. This is usually applied not
    only to daily and weekly routines but to longer periods; e.g., hard
    training preparing for and during competition season and then several
    weeks with little or no running.

    For a beginner runner all days are hard days. As you run more you can
    have hard days where you simply run at a conversational level for more
    miles. You should be running at a conversational level until you are
    running at least 25 miles a week. That program might look something
    like: day one 8 miles, day two rest, day three 4 mile, day four 4
    miles, day five rest, day six 8 miles, day seven rest. Unless you
    intend to race there is no particular reason to ever do intervals.
    For variety maybe you want to run a hilly course a couple of days. Or
    finish the run with a fast quarter mile.

    If you want to race once you get to 25 plus miles a week you will have
    to do speed days. What kind of speed days depends greatly on the
    distance you wish to race.

    Quoted message said:


    It generally takes two to three weeks for the results from any one (or a
    short series of) training session(s) to be integrated into your physical
    capacity. Another reason to be patient, taking advantage of recovery
    periods and being satisfied with slow steady improvement.

    Quoted message said:

    Secondly, is there any cardio benefit to wind sprint type segments
    wherein the rate exceeds the 85% figure?

    IMO that does more for muscular strength and development of speed than
    for cardio benefit, but I'm no doctor.

    If you do the distance runs your heart and lung capacity will build
    faster then your legs will build. And your leg muscles will build
    faster then bones and connective tissues. Intervals will not speed it
    up. They may well injure you if you have not done the distance stuff
    first. Kids (those under 35) can get away with lots of stuff in
    training. As you get older the price of a mistake goes up. It is
    called injury.

    By the way, there are drugs besides statins that cause problems.
    Smoking of course will limit you. But I kind of view smoking as
    natures way of cleaning stupidity out of the gene pool. Beta blockers
    will probably prevent you from going very far. Somehow they mess up
    your glucose - glycogen - glucose cycle causing you to bonk real
    early. Bonking is when you run low on glucose in your blood stream
    resulting in legs turning to jelly, spots in your vision and
    dizzyness. But at least with beta blockers within days of getting off
    the stuff the problems go away. I suppose there are a whole lot of
    other drugs that can also inhibit endurance training.

  3. It seems to me I heard somewhere that James wrote in article
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Don Kirkman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    It seems to me I heard somewhere that Owen Lowe wrote in article
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Many runners, at least, (I can't speak for other types of exercise) like
    to alternate hard work with easy recovery. This is usually applied not
    only to daily and weekly routines but to longer periods; e.g., hard
    training preparing for and during competition season and then several
    weeks with little or no running.

    Quoted message said:

    For a beginner runner all days are hard days. As you run more you can
    have hard days where you simply run at a conversational level for more
    miles. You should be running at a conversational level until you are
    running at least 25 miles a week.

    Not all days have to be (or maybe even should be) hard. Beginners are
    well advised to start by mixing slow running and walking until they can
    do a mile or more without needing to walk. Some trainers even advise
    walking within long sessions to reduce the total stress. "No pain no
    gain" is passe, overly macho, and sometimes dangerous.

    Weekly distance is an individual thing and depends on both ability and
    goals. I've seldom gotten as high as 25 miles a week (did get to 40
    once) and have finished 27 marathons and about as many other races of
    various distances in about 25 years of running.

    Quoted message said:

    That program might look something
    like: day one 8 miles, day two rest, day three 4 mile, day four 4
    miles, day five rest, day six 8 miles, day seven rest. Unless you
    intend to race there is no particular reason to ever do intervals.
    For variety maybe you want to run a hilly course a couple of days. Or
    finish the run with a fast quarter mile.

    That sounds like training for competition at a fairly advanced level;
    running for fitness and cardiac health doesn't have to approach that
    level of work.

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    If you do the distance runs your heart and lung capacity will build
    faster then your legs will build. And your leg muscles will build
    faster then bones and connective tissues. Intervals will not speed it
    up. They may well injure you if you have not done the distance stuff
    first. Kids (those under 35) can get away with lots of stuff in
    training. As you get older the price of a mistake goes up. It is
    called injury.

    Quoted message said:

    By the way, there are drugs besides statins that cause problems.
    Smoking of course will limit you. But I kind of view smoking as
    natures way of cleaning stupidity out of the gene pool. Beta blockers
    will probably prevent you from going very far. Somehow they mess up
    your glucose - glycogen - glucose cycle causing you to bonk real
    early. Bonking is when you run low on glucose in your blood stream
    resulting in legs turning to jelly, spots in your vision and
    dizzyness. But at least with beta blockers within days of getting off
    the stuff the problems go away. I suppose there are a whole lot of
    other drugs that can also inhibit endurance training.

    I've posted my experience with a beta blocker (atenolol) several times
    in this newsgroup. At my dosage, timing of the daily dose, and level of
    running I can't detect any effect from the BB, though I did notice it
    before the adjustments.
    --
    Don
    [email hidden]

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