Real Names vs. User Names

[Edward Dolan]

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>I must confess I have a terrific bias in favor of members of newsgroups
>>who use their real names. I think what happens when you use a user name is
>>that you tend to hide behind it and behave more or less like a scoundrel.
>>However, if you are going to use a user name, then it had best make some
>>kind of sense. I will not stand for gobbledygook.
>>
>> Take NYC XYZ for instance. Such a user name I will shorten to NYC in
>> order to keep it from becoming an alphabet soup. NYC is not a bad user
>> name since he is from NYC and he often tells us a few things about the
>> Big Apple every now and then. I can live with this kind of a user name.
>>
>> Other user names I will either shorten or even reconstruct them if they
>> are too ridiculous. Take x1134x as an example. Sorry, but this user name
>> makes no sense to me at all and I will reconstruct it if and when it ever
>> becomes necessary to refer to him in a message of mine. I might call him
>> Double X or Numbers or some other such name, but I will never refer to
>> him as x1134x. It is too hard to type that. Besides, numbers are not
>> names. Like I said, I will not stand for gobbledygook.
>>
> What a brilliant idea - changing the name a user chooses. That will be a
> great help to everybody. I think I'll change my user name. Edward Dolan
> will suit me fine.

No, it will be merely a play on the user name that will make more sense and
be easy to type. It will not confuse anyone. Gobbledygook is for morons and
I will not stand for it.

"Fred" is acceptable but quite unimaginative. A suitable user name for
dullards at the minimum.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> Civility normally goes right out the window with anonymity.
>
> Right, we're in the midst of another great global mass extinction, an
> entirely new geological era, and you expect us to be civil. Sure uh-huh.

It is possible to be quite contentious without resorting to name calling. I
don't know about you, but when someone calls me a name, I will just one-up
him. To name call is the easiest thing in the world to do. I learned how to
do it on a kindergarten playground - and that is where it belongs.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"NobodyYouKnow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Thomas Lee Elifritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>> > Civility normally goes right out the window with anonymity.
>>
>> Right, we're in the midst of another great global mass extinction, an
>> entirely new geological era, and you expect us to be civil. Sure uh-huh.
>
> The important point is that the 'authorities' like Bush have the 'upper
> hand' ( statements accepted by default ) and so, if you classify all
> debate
> as 'heckling' and thus 'uncivil', you can muzzle the public. I.e Fascism (
> the backing of a dictatorship by fiat ) rather than Democracy ( the
> necessity of public awareness and comment ).
>
> So begins the fourth reich.

The above was written by a crazy person as well as a liberal slob and cretin
who does not have clue about anything. The truth is that the liberal mass
media will tell fools like him what to think and what President Bush has to
say about anything gets swamped by said mass media.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Ken C. M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Sorni wrote:
>> NobodyYouKnow wrote:
>>
>>>"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Civility normally goes right out the window with anonymity.
>>>>
>>>>Right, we're in the midst of another great global mass extinction, an
>>>>entirely new geological era, and you expect us to be civil. Sure
>>>>uh-huh.
>>>
>>>The important point is that the 'authorities' like Bush have the
>>>'upper hand' ( statements accepted by default ) and so, if you
>>>classify all debate as 'heckling' and thus 'uncivil', you can muzzle
>>>the public. I.e Fascism ( the backing of a dictatorship by fiat )
>>>rather than Democracy ( the necessity of public awareness and comment
>>>).
>>>
>>>So begins the fourth reich.
>>
>>
>> Spoken like a /true/ anonymous paranoid. Good one! :-D
> Well at least he didn't use "Bush" and "******" in the same sentence.
>
> And whats up with all the cross posters? I have noticed much more of these
> than before. Must be the time of year. Or maybe the phases of the moon.
>
> Ken

There are other conversations taking place on other newsgroups which get
posted to various newsgroups for various reasons. However, I am mainly
responsible for these messages appearing on ARBR as that is my home
newsgroup. I do not want the idiots there to miss any of my immortal words.
Also, I am trying to save that group from itself. It is a very small group
and was effectively destroyed a couple of years ago by a criminal vandal
troll. I am trying to resurrect it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Eugene Miya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> Thomas Lee Elifritz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Ken C. M. wrote:
>>> And whats up with all the cross posters? I have noticed much more of
>>> these than before. Must be the time of year. Or maybe the phases of the
>>> moon.
>>
>>Or there could be some reasonable and rational explanation, like someone
>>physically typing in multiple newsgroups into the newsgroup post header.
>>
>>But that would be science, and not religious dogma or superstition, and
>>thus unacceptable to most true American patriots.
>
> Laziness.
> Pure and simple.
>
>
> Get into the habit of trimming both headers and article body as topics
> drift. And threads can diminish.

But why do you want threads to diminish? Small newsgroups are in perpetual
danger of being destroyed by criminal vandal trolls. The more threads, the
less likely that is to happen.

Please note that my original post applies to ALL newsgroups in equal
measure. I would not mind if more on Usenet want to post to ARBR. A really
large group like RBM does not need any more members, but that is not true of
most Usenet newsgroups.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"NobodyYouKnow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> I must confess I have a terrific bias in favor of members of newsgroups
> who
>> use their real names.
>
>
> Well, you do that.
>
> P.S. have you ever heard of 'spoofing'. Once you really get impressed by
> some poster, the trolls immediately start posting spoofs that twist the
> logic using the same credibility to argue their own numb nuts points.
> Pretty
> soon, everybody is posting about what a nut job he is.

Yes, I am well are of what you describe above. I can play that game as well
as anyone, but if that is all anyone is doing it is a total waste of time
and effort. Sooner or later one will want to say something of some import,
perhaps even you!

> The good thing on usenet is that you can judge based on the arguments
> presented, not on the 'argument by authority'. But you are a good
> syncophant
> so you just want someone to tell you what to do, right? Maybe it is time
> you
> dusted off those 'critical thinking skills'...

You are talking about someone else, not me. Bottom line, I do not like user
names. I like real names.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Bill Z." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> It may be that there are good reasons for some using a user name
>> instead of their real name, but if the newsgroup is reputable I do
>> not see the necessity of it.
>
> Actually, there is a good reason for it in some cases (although in my
> case you can find my real name by looking at my signature in spite of
> my use of a fake user name). If your last name is unusual and you
> have a series of technical publications that someone might want to
> search for, then you may not want to use your real name on news groups
> you use for "fun".

Agreed! Most of us on newsgroups are idiots and do not have to worry about
what you describe above.

> It isn't to keep your identity secret but to make it easier for busy
> professionals who are looking for technical information and don't want
> to waste time carefully crafting searches to avoid posts or web pages
> that are not work related.

"Agreed! Most of us on newsgroups are idiots and do not have to worry about
what you describe above." - Ed Dolan

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Eugene Miya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Read Vernor Vinge's True Names.
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I must confess I have a terrific bias in favor of members of newsgroups
>>who
>>use their real names.
>
> Oh, sure. But this is intended as a usenet feature, not bug.
>
>>I think what happens when you use a user name is that
>>you tend to hide behind it and behave more or less like a scoundrel.
>>However, if you are going to use a user name, then it had best make some
>>kind of sense. I will not stand for gobbledygook.
>
> The various auditory inspector generals have various anonymity
> preserving tools. Usenet allows this in a number of tool fashions
> largely ignored by newbies. Some go take assigned user names.
>
> Rot-13 is another example of a tool which came from the netiquette of
> potentially offensive jokes.
>
> Usenet has all kinds of tools to deal with these problems/issues.
>
>
>>Take NYC XYZ ...
>>I can live with this kind of a user name.
> ...
>>It may be that there are good reasons for some using a user name instead
>>of
>>their real name, but if the newsgroup is reputable I do not see the
>>necessity of it. The very worst scoundrels I have ever encountered on any
>>group were always using a user name whereas all those who use their real
>>names turn out not to be such bad fellows no matter how much I might
>>disagree with them.
>
> That's fine. And until you write code which goes into NNTP, you can
> continue believing it. (or similar influence).
>
>>Civility normally goes right out the window with anonymity.
>
> Not necessarily.
>
> I'm glad that Jimmy Wales and Wikipedia aren't listening.
>
> Despite the occurrance of anonymizers, I can assure anyone reading this
> note they are a minimally effective mechanism. At the highest end I
> know the guys at Fort Meade can read this, I signed a document allowing
> them to keep a file on me on my first visit. A not too determined
> effort will ferret out a person (people posting are small peanuts,
> they are far more busy with real problem people).

I know relatively little (next to nothing really) about how computers work,
but I can see that is not the case with Eugene. Nevertheless, it has been my
experience that the worst scofflaws on Usenet are those who use user names
as opposed to those using their real names. Anonymity really does breed
incivility.

However, I also believe there is no real anonymity on the Internet. An
expert investigator will be able to trace anything to anyone. Therefore,
it behooves us all to keep a civil tongue in our heads.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Brent]

On Thu, 11 May 2006 19:45:46 -0400, "NobodyYouKnow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Sorni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> NobodyYouKnow wrote:
>> > "Thomas Lee Elifritz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Civility normally goes right out the window with anonymity.
>> >>
>> >> Right, we're in the midst of another great global mass extinction, an
>> >> entirely new geological era, and you expect us to be civil. Sure
>> >> uh-huh.
>> >
>> > The important point is that the 'authorities' like Bush have the
>> > 'upper hand' ( statements accepted by default ) and so, if you
>> > classify all debate as 'heckling' and thus 'uncivil', you can muzzle
>> > the public. I.e Fascism ( the backing of a dictatorship by fiat )
>> > rather than Democracy ( the necessity of public awareness and comment
>> > ).
>> >
>> > So begins the fourth reich.
>>
>> Spoken like a /true/ anonymous paranoid. Good one! :-D
>
>Gee. Are you trying to claim that I was heckling you? You must be one of
>those totalitarians. Unable to take open public debate so you try to bad
>mouth it.
>
>I was just pointing out that Democracy ( i.e. freedom) requires open
>comment, totally opposed by the fascists in power. Thus it is obviousl that
>despite the endless propaganda and spin, the U.S. is NOT the land of feedom
>or defender of Democracy. Nor was it ever so. It is now, and always has been
>an Oligarchy of the priviledged, with a 'straw poll' to select the next
>dictator. I understand Bush has selected his brother to inherit.. with
>Diebolds help, of course. .
>
>http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/07/268819.shtml
>
>Just try to vote for someone else...
>
>http://wheresthepaper.org/
>


Jeb hasn't done too bad as Gov here in FL. He knows how to handle a
hurricane or five. He was the one on TV telling folks what to do, not
some nameless flunky from some backdoor office.
-diagonally parked in a parallel universe.

www.BikingFlorida.com

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I must confess I have a terrific bias in favor of members of newsgroups
>>who use their real names. I think what happens when you use a user name is
>>that you tend to hide behind it and behave more or less like a scoundrel.
>>However, if you are going to use a user name, then it had best make some
>>kind of sense. I will not stand for gobbledygook.
>
> Mike Vandeman uses his real name, and all he posts is gobbledygook, and he
> makes no effort to conceal the fact that he is a scoundrel. I like your
> theory, but I found an exception to the rule.

I have not noted the offenses that you speak of in reference to Vandeman.
Like me, he is contentious and returns invective with invective. After all,
if someone is calling you a liar, then you have every right to return the
favor.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Fred]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>I must confess I have a terrific bias in favor of members of newsgroups
>>>who use their real names. I think what happens when you use a user name
>>>is that you tend to hide behind it and behave more or less like a
>>>scoundrel. However, if you are going to use a user name, then it had best
>>>make some kind of sense. I will not stand for gobbledygook.
>>>
>>> Take NYC XYZ for instance. Such a user name I will shorten to NYC in
>>> order to keep it from becoming an alphabet soup. NYC is not a bad user
>>> name since he is from NYC and he often tells us a few things about the
>>> Big Apple every now and then. I can live with this kind of a user name.
>>>
>>> Other user names I will either shorten or even reconstruct them if they
>>> are too ridiculous. Take x1134x as an example. Sorry, but this user name
>>> makes no sense to me at all and I will reconstruct it if and when it
>>> ever becomes necessary to refer to him in a message of mine. I might
>>> call him Double X or Numbers or some other such name, but I will never
>>> refer to him as x1134x. It is too hard to type that. Besides, numbers
>>> are not names. Like I said, I will not stand for gobbledygook.
>>>
>> What a brilliant idea - changing the name a user chooses. That will be a
>> great help to everybody. I think I'll change my user name. Edward Dolan
>> will suit me fine.
>
> No, it will be merely a play on the user name that will make more sense
> and be easy to type. It will not confuse anyone. Gobbledygook is for
> morons and I will not stand for it.
>
> "Fred" is acceptable but quite unimaginative. A suitable user name for
> dullards at the minimum.
>
>You'd have to speak to my parents about that.
>
>

 

[Michael Halliwell]

Edward Dolan wrote:

>
> I have not noted the offenses that you speak of in reference to Vandeman.
> Like me, he is contentious and returns invective with invective. After all,
> if someone is calling you a liar, then you have every right to return the
> favor.
>

Nah, I just think I'll call him to repentance.

Michael Halliwell

 

[Edward Dolan]

"x1134x" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Some newsgroups restored.

> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> I must confess I have a terrific bias in favor of members of newsgroups
>> who
>> use their real names.
>
> How do you know that it is their real name? How do we know that your
> name is really Edward Dolan, and not Ted Peabody? You just chose a
> human sounding handle.

Yes, you are right about that, but still I don't think too many will ever do
that. They will, like you, choose something they think is Romantic or Cool.
Most real names are almost never Romantic or Cool.

>> Take NYC XYZ for instance. Such a user name I will shorten to NYC in
>> order
>> to keep it from becoming an alphabet soup. NYC is not a bad user name
>> since
>> he is from NYC and he often tells us a few things about the Big Apple
>> every
>> now and then. I can live with this kind of a user name.
>>
>> Other user names I will either shorten or even reconstruct them if they
>> are
>> too ridiculous. Take x1134x as an example. Sorry, but this user name
>> makes
>> no sense to me at all
>
> Wait untill 11:34 am or pm and turn your digital clock upside down.
> Didn't realize it was cussing at you twice a day did ya?

It would always be 11:34 AM in my case. I seldom if ever get up before noon.

>> and I will reconstruct it if and when it ever becomes
>> necessary to refer to him in a message of mine. I might call him Double X
>> or
>> Numbers or some other such name, but I will never refer to him as x1134x.
>> It
>> is too hard to type that.
>
> x1134x is easier to type than Edward Dolan, 5 keystrokes vs 12
> keystrokes. plus two of yours also involve the shift key. Use the left
> ring finger to hit the x, and use the number pad. (yeah I know not
> everyone is a 10key speed genius, but x1134x takes a microsecond for me
> to type, my real name takes even longer.)

No, it is more difficult to type once you get into numbers. But frankly, it
just looks so bad. The written language has a beauty all its' own just as a
music score does.

> Another reason is this: Online you sign up for accounts on more than
> just 1 site. Many sites require a logon. People with common names,
> like John Williams, will not be able to use their real name because it
> has already been taken. So you have a few options: Remember what
> special thing you did to your name for each site i.e "johnwilliams123"
> on yahoo, and "johnwilliams321" on my bank logon, and
> "johnwilliamskicksass" on whatever, or come up with one so unique it
> will not be taken on any site, then your logon can be the same wherever
> you go. Thus x1134x is my username for EVERYTHING. It works well that
> way.

Yes, I do indeed know what you are talking about. But I wonder if it is
really so necessary in the case of Usenet. After all, we are real people
here saying real things to one another. We should strive to be unique
personalities. It is hard to achieve this when you have a user name that is
nowhere.

>> Besides, numbers are not names. Like I said, I
>> will not stand for gobbledygook.
>>
>> It may be that there are good reasons for some using a user name instead
>> of
>> their real name, but if the newsgroup is reputable I do not see the
>> necessity of it.
>
> Here's the necessity: You are not anonymous online unless you take
> extreme measures. (I won't get into the techical parts of IP
> addresses, remailers etc, cuz you'd probably get lost). CYA is an
> important thing especially when your opinions differ with the laws of
> society.

I really do not want to be anonymous, at least not when I am on Usenet. On
the contrary, I want to be known far and wide. I say fairly outrageous
things all the time and I stand behind them. Live Free or Die!

>> The very worst scoundrels I have ever encountered on any
>> group were always using a user name whereas all those who use their real
>> names turn out not to be such bad fellows no matter how much I might
>> disagree with them.
>
> The very worst scoundrel I have encountered uses his "real" name: Mike
> Vandemann.

He is merely contentious as am I. The real scoundrels are into nothing but
obscenities and worse. But that is another story for another day.

>> Civility normally goes right out the window with
>> anonymity.
>
> Not w/ me {

You are fine and you have said some very wise things which I have taken note
of.

I am going to continue to monitor RBS, but I am mainly to be found on ARBR
as I am a recumbent cyclist exclusively these days.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"CowPunk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Some newsgroups restored.

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!


> Um OK,
> So a propsective employer decides to Google the newsgroups for "Edward
> Dolan" and this pops up..
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt....="Edward+Dolan"&rnum=1&hl=en#ed08986123f6aa58
>
> Now what's your explanation when you go to a job interview?

Nope, I will defend everything I have ever said on Usenet or anywhere else.
It may or may not require an extended explanation, but there is nothing I
can't explain. Anyone who would not accept my explanation is someone not
worthy of me and I would never even consider any kind of relationship with
such a cretin.

> I would encourage people to google your bosses also. It's amazing what
> **** your boss is involved in....

I am not the least bit curious about anyone - ever. Of course, I would want
to know if someone were a criminal or insane, but that is about it. Anything
else I can determine in face to face encounters in a matter of a few
minutes. Can't you?

> Try "name" plus the town they live in

Who is this guy, some kind of voyeur?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[x1134x]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "x1134x" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>
> Yes, you are right about that, but still I don't think too many will ever do
> that. They will, like you, choose something they think is Romantic or Cool.
> Most real names are almost never Romantic or Cool.

I'll agree with the fact that most names are neither romantic nor cool.

> It would always be 11:34 AM in my case. I seldom if ever get up before noon.
>
Wouldn't it be PM then? 11:34AM is 26 minutes *before* noon.

>
> No, it is more difficult to type once you get into numbers. But frankly, it
> just looks so bad. The written language has a beauty all its' own just as a
> music score does.
>

Two things then: Learn to type numbers! Its easy to master 4 rows of
keys. Just as easy as it was the first 3 rows. Or, learn to master
the 10 key, its even faster for inputting numbers. Surely you're up
for a new skill. . . .

>
> Yes, I do indeed know what you are talking about. But I wonder if it is
> really so necessary in the case of Usenet. After all, we are real people
> here saying real things to one another. We should strive to be unique
> personalities. It is hard to achieve this when you have a user name that is
> nowhere.
>

I do not post to usenet using NNTP, I use google groups, which requires
a logon. And since I want my logon to be the same everywhere and 1 in
4 people have the same full name as me, I use x1134x.


> I really do not want to be anonymous, at least not when I am on Usenet. On
> the contrary, I want to be known far and wide. I say fairly outrageous
> things all the time and I stand behind them. Live Free or Die!

This way I get Live Free and Live Free. I still disregard antiquated
or idiotic laws, and I voice my opinions freely, AND I don't have to
worry about the witchunters (read: Republicans) finding me and making
me deal with that "Die" part.

> He is merely contentious as am I.

There's more than that. He's a few cans short of a 6 pack. Not firing
on all 8 cylinders if you know what I mean.


> You are fine and you have said some very wise things which I have taken note
> of.
>
> I am going to continue to monitor RBS, but I am mainly to be found on ARBR
> as I am a recumbent cyclist exclusively these days.

Barf. Recumbent. I usually only pester the alt.mountain-bike forum,
because they make fun of my cheap bike, and they need someone to bring
their elitist noses down a peg.

x1134x

 

[Edward Dolan]

"x1134x" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "x1134x" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>
>> Yes, you are right about that, but still I don't think too many will ever
>> do
>> that. They will, like you, choose something they think is Romantic or
>> Cool.
>> Most real names are almost never Romantic or Cool.
>
> I'll agree with the fact that most names are neither romantic nor cool.
>
>> It would always be 11:34 AM in my case. I seldom if ever get up before
>> noon.
>>
> Wouldn't it be PM then? 11:34AM is 26 minutes *before* noon.

Give or take an hour or two. I really feel bad if I sleep in until 3:00 PM.
It's like I have lost another day out of my life. My father used to go to
bed about 4:00 AM and come down from his bedroom about 4:00 PM. I used to
think that was crazy when I was a kid, but I find that I am doing that
myself lately. He did it to get away from his family; I do it because I am
incurably lazy. We eccentrics are born this way.

>> No, it is more difficult to type once you get into numbers. But frankly,
>> it
>> just looks so bad. The written language has a beauty all its' own just as
>> a
>> music score does.
>>
>
> Two things then: Learn to type numbers! Its easy to master 4 rows of
> keys. Just as easy as it was the first 3 rows. Or, learn to master
> the 10 key, its even faster for inputting numbers. Surely you're up
> for a new skill. . . .

Nope, sorry, I am an old dog and I cannot learn any new tricks. I am in
agreement with the French composer Saint Saens (the greatest second rate
composer who ever lived). He said if a musical score did not look beautiful,
then it could not sound beautiful. Get rid of your numbers and find a new
user name. Your user name does not look beautiful.

>> Yes, I do indeed know what you are talking about. But I wonder if it is
>> really so necessary in the case of Usenet. After all, we are real people
>> here saying real things to one another. We should strive to be unique
>> personalities. It is hard to achieve this when you have a user name that
>> is
>> nowhere.
>>
>
> I do not post to usenet using NNTP, I use google groups, which requires
> a logon. And since I want my logon to be the same everywhere and 1 in
> 4 people have the same full name as me, I use x1134x.

Just vary your name ever so slightly. Your numbers with the x's is very
ugly!

>> I really do not want to be anonymous, at least not when I am on Usenet.
>> On
>> the contrary, I want to be known far and wide. I say fairly outrageous
>> things all the time and I stand behind them. Live Free or Die!
>
> This way I get Live Free and Live Free. I still disregard antiquated
> or idiotic laws, and I voice my opinions freely, AND I don't have to
> worry about the witchunters (read: Republicans) finding me and making
> me deal with that "Die" part.

There seem to be very few Republicans on Usenet. I am one of the few and I
am death on liberals. But Republicans are for the most part gentlemen. It is
liberals who are hate filled and repugnant to everyone except their ilk. Be
warned, I am only a gentleman on occasion and a far left liberal will send
me into paroxysms of rage. Just ask Tom Sherman, formerly of ARBR.

>> He is merely contentious as am I.
>
> There's more than that. He's a few cans short of a 6 pack. Not firing
> on all 8 cylinders if you know what I mean.

So far I have not come to that conclusion about him at all. Like him, I do
not like mountain bikers using my sacred footpaths. This is an entirely
legitimate point of view, although many mountain bikers may disagree.

>> You are fine and you have said some very wise things which I have taken
>> note
>> of.
>>
>> I am going to continue to monitor RBS, but I am mainly to be found on
>> ARBR
>> as I am a recumbent cyclist exclusively these days.
>
> Barf. Recumbent. I usually only pester the alt.mountain-bike forum,
> because they make fun of my cheap bike, and they need someone to bring
> their elitist noses down a peg.

I have a mountain bike myself, but I only use it on rough gravel roads, not
trails. I also have cheap klunker bikes which I use for utility purposes
around town.

You only want to be an elitist in matters of the mind and in your culture.
You cannot buy it although fools try to do that all the time. They are
pathetic and I feel sorry for them.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[Eugene Miya]

>> Laziness.
>> Pure and simple.
>> Get into the habit of trimming both headers and article body as topics
>> drift. And threads can diminish.

In article <[email protected]>,
Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>But why do you want threads to diminish? Small newsgroups are in perpetual
>danger of being destroyed by criminal vandal trolls. The more threads, the
>less likely that is to happen.

How much money do you have?
Unless you are one of the archives, storage costs money which isn't
spread across all ISPs. This is why alt.groups are admined optionally.
So your deduction of more threads is wrong.

Courts are required to get criminals declared. And that's just the US.
Don't cloud the issue.

>Please note that my original post applies to ALL newsgroups in equal
>measure. I would not mind if more on Usenet want to post to ARBR. A really
>large group like RBM does not need any more members, but that is not true of
>most Usenet newsgroups.

A groups and R groups are admined differently.

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[Eugene Miya]

>> Read Vernor Vinge's True Names.



In article <[email protected]>,
Edward Dolan <[email protected]> wrote:
>I know relatively little (next to nothing really) about how computers work,
>but I can see that is not the case with Eugene. Nevertheless, it has been my
>experience that the worst scofflaws on Usenet are those who use user names
>as opposed to those using their real names. Anonymity really does breed
>incivility.

Anonmity was built into the ARPAnet before I ever got on in 1973
(sometime between '69-'73)..

>However, I also believe there is no real anonymity on the Internet. An
>expert investigator will be able to trace anything to anyone. Therefore,
>it behooves us all to keep a civil tongue in our heads.

It's not merely a matter of one's tongue but also one's ears.
Let them make jerks of themselves. Use a smart read and learn about
Killfiles. These are all features placed into protocols for people to
get along and coexist in cyberspace.

I have traced people. People have traced me. I know professional tracers.

This is not merely an issue of computers but also computer networks and
software. The alt.* groups were specifically set up for a maximum of
free speech ( I know Gilmore well, I took his DES cracking book at his
request into the halls of the NSA; he wanted assurances that they had
his book: he wants them to sell it in their gift shop, but they have
other investments ).

It's the smart ear which is more important.

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[Eugene Miya]

>>> And whats up with all the cross posters?

In article <[email protected]>,
Ken C. M. <[email protected]> wrote:
>But then why would someone post such off topic subjects in irrelevant
>news groups?

Usenet software expects adult posters to interpret to understand
content does not have to equal the group/file system hierarchy.
Posters are left to their own devices except in the case of moderated
news groups.

>Probably just to give them something to do in their empty lives.

It's a job.

I'm outta here.

--

 

[S Curtiss]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>I must confess I have a terrific bias in favor of members of newsgroups
>>>who use their real names. I think what happens when you use a user name
>>>is that you tend to hide behind it and behave more or less like a
>>>scoundrel. However, if you are going to use a user name, then it had best
>>>make some kind of sense. I will not stand for gobbledygook.
>>
>> Mike Vandeman uses his real name, and all he posts is gobbledygook, and
>> he makes no effort to conceal the fact that he is a scoundrel. I like
>> your theory, but I found an exception to the rule.
>
> I have not noted the offenses that you speak of in reference to Vandeman.
> Like me, he is contentious and returns invective with invective. After
> all, if someone is calling you a liar, then you have every right to return
> the favor.
I suggest you do a little research. MV has a long history of name-calling,
character assasination, misrepresentation, manipulation of information and
accusatory / inflamatory rhetoric. All it takes is too disagree with his
OPINION or to call him on specifics of fact.
Yes... he receives a few childish and harshly worded emails. Either from
newbies from the ng that do not know his history, or from people who come
across a reference while looking for MTB information. His posting a few
emails as a claim that all off-road cyclists think and or behave in the
manner reflected in those emails should be an indicator to these "offenses".
>