Rear shifts OK going slow and level but not well going uphill, why?

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  1. Scott

    Scott Guest

    What would be a cause for not shifting smoothly going uphill but Ok on flat level surface?

    Parktool website list the following. Could this be a cause? My old cheapy Mongoose with grip
    shifters is very smooth shifter but my new Gary Fisher with rapidfire shifters is very rough.

    Modern indexing shift levers use dwell, which is a hesitation between movements in the lever. These
    hesitations are timed to match the movements of the derailleur and the spacing in the rear
    sprockets. The design of some derailleur and shift lever brands requires more of a push (or twist)
    of the lever to complete the shift. The amount of extra push or twist is not consistent between
    manufacturers and each rider must learn the particular attributes of his or her system.
     
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  2. Mark Hickey

    Mark Hickey Guest

    Scott <[email protected]> wrote:

    >What would be a cause for not shifting smoothly going uphill but Ok on flat level surface?

    It's the difference between shifting under heavy load and under "normal riding along load". If you
    just soft pedal half a stroke when shifting uphill, it should shift fine.

    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame
     
  3. Scott

    Scott Guest

    Thanks for the input. The store I bought it from didn't have any hilly area to ride so I didn't know
    it would be a problem until I bought it. Since my mongoose doesn't have this "heavy load" problem
    what do you think the cause might be? Shifters, derailer, sprokets?

    On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:03:04 GMT, Mark Hickey <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>What would be a cause for not shifting smoothly going uphill but Ok on flat level surface?
    >
    >It's the difference between shifting under heavy load and under "normal riding along load". If you
    >just soft pedal half a stroke when shifting uphill, it should shift fine.
    >
    >Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame
     
  4. Gman

    Gman Guest

    On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:43:06 GMT, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Thanks for the input. The store I bought it from didn't have any hilly area to ride so I didn't
    > know it would be a problem until I bought it. Since my mongoose doesn't have this "heavy load"
    > problem what do you think the cause might be? Shifters, derailer, sprokets?
    >

    This is a common problem caused by not riding a single speed. ;-)

    --
    Gman
     
  5. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    On 4 Dec 2002 02:57:55 GMT, Gman <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:43:06 GMT, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Thanks for the input. The store I bought it from didn't have any hilly area to ride so I didn't
    >> know it would be a problem until I bought it. Since my mongoose doesn't have this "heavy load"
    >> problem what do you think the cause might be? Shifters, derailer, sprokets?
    >>
    >
    >This is a common problem caused by not riding a single speed. ;-)

    Beat me to it Gman.

    Bill. The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
    should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
  6. Dave

    Dave Guest

    "Bill Wheeler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On 4 Dec 2002 02:57:55 GMT, Gman <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:43:06 GMT, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> Thanks for the input. The store I bought it from didn't have any hilly area to ride so I didn't
    > >> know it would be a problem until I bought it. Since my mongoose doesn't have this "heavy load"
    > >> problem what do you think the cause might be? Shifters, derailer, sprokets?
    > >>
    > >
    > >This is a common problem caused by not riding a single speed. ;-)

    To bad. This is Alt Mountain Bike! Not Alt-Adult BMX. I sold my P.K ripper 20 yrs ago. Take it to
    alt-bmx kids!

    Dave (ss IS ADULT BMX! Move along!)
    >
    > Beat me to it Gman.
    >
    >
    > Bill. The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
    > should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    > :-]
     
  7. Jd

    Jd Guest

    "Doof" <[email protected]> wrote in crayon news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Bill Wheeler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > >This is a common problem caused by not riding a single speed. ;-)

    Truth Bill, truth.

    > To bad. This is Alt Mountain Bike! Not Alt-Adult BMX. I sold my P.K ripper 20 yrs ago. Take it to
    > alt-bmx kids!

    > Dave (ss IS ADULT BMX! Move along!)

    A weak and worthless troll, by a weak and worthless troll. How quaint.

    JD
     
  8. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    >To bad. This is Alt Mountain Bike! Not Alt-Adult BMX. I sold my P.K ripper 20 yrs ago. Take it to
    >alt-bmx kids!

    P.K Ripper! schweeeeet!! The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that
    is, the mind should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
  9. G.T.

    G.T. Guest

    JD wrote:
    > "Doof" <[email protected]> wrote in crayon news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    >>"Bill Wheeler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>>>This is a common problem caused by not riding a single speed. ;-)
    >>>
    >
    > Truth Bill, truth.
    >
    >
    >>To bad. This is Alt Mountain Bike! Not Alt-Adult BMX. I sold my P.K ripper 20 yrs ago. Take it to
    >>alt-bmx kids!
    >
    >
    >>Dave (ss IS ADULT BMX! Move along!)
    >
    >
    > A weak and worthless troll, by a weak and worthless troll. How quaint.
    >

    Yes, he doesn't get that it's how they're ridden, it's not their configuration that matters.

    Greg

    --
    "Walking under ladders for a living You know we should be running round in pubs and bars We know
    we'll never grow short And we'll never grow tall" - the Mekons
     
  10. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    On 4 Dec 2002 14:50:17 -0800, [email protected] (JD) wrote:

    >"Doof" <[email protected]> wrote in crayon news:<[email protected]>...
    >> "Bill Wheeler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > >This is a common problem caused by not riding a single speed. ;-)
    >
    >Truth Bill, truth.
    I can't take credit for that. The Gman actually said that.....but I was thinking it!

    Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
    should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
  11. Dave

    Dave Guest

    "Bill Wheeler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > >To bad. This is Alt Mountain Bike! Not Alt-Adult BMX. I sold my P.K
    ripper
    > >20 yrs ago. Take it to alt-bmx kids!
    >
    > P.K Ripper! schweeeeet!! The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector,
    > that is, the mind should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    > :-]

    It was truly a schweet bmx bike, but so was the Mongoose, Takara, as well as the ol' Webco....ahh
    those were the day's. 20 years ago though..
     
  12. Dave

    Dave Guest

    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > JD wrote:
    > > "Doof" <[email protected]> wrote in crayon news:<[email protected]>...
    > >
    > >>"Bill Wheeler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>news:[email protected]...
    > >>
    > >>>>This is a common problem caused by not riding a single speed. ;-)
    > >>>
    > >
    > > Truth Bill, truth.
    > >
    > >
    > >>To bad. This is Alt Mountain Bike! Not Alt-Adult BMX. I sold my P.K
    ripper
    > >>20 yrs ago. Take it to alt-bmx kids!
    > >
    > >
    > >>Dave (ss IS ADULT BMX! Move along!)
    > >
    > >
    > > A weak and worthless troll, by a weak and worthless troll. How quaint.

    Coming from the weakest and worthlessness god hisself...oh thank you Pegasus, brutal master
    > >
    >
    > Yes, he doesn't get that it's how they're ridden, it's not their configuration that matters.

    I used to ride my 20 inch P.K over some of the same trails I do now...no difference.

    a single speed bike is what I gave up years ago. All you retro weenies need to take it to alt.bmx.
    You're tired ol' bullshit will play well over there.

    Dave (not an adult bmx'er like the apostles!)
    >
    > Greg
    >
    > --
    > "Walking under ladders for a living You know we should be running round in pubs and bars We know
    > we'll never grow short And we'll never grow tall" - the Mekons
     
  13. Gman

    Gman Guest

    On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:54:56 -0500, Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > "Bill Wheeler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> >To bad. This is Alt Mountain Bike! Not Alt-Adult BMX. I sold my P.K
    > ripper
    >> >20 yrs ago. Take it to alt-bmx kids!
    >>
    >> P.K Ripper! schweeeeet!! The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector,
    >> that is, the mind should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    >> :-]
    >
    > It was truly a schweet bmx bike, but so was the Mongoose, Takara, as well as the ol' Webco....ahh
    > those were the day's. 20 years ago though..
    >

    Redline PL-24 cruiser...there is no substitute

    --
    Gman
     
  14. Gman

    Gman Guest

    On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:52:28 -0500, Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
    > a single speed bike is what I gave up years ago. All you retro weenies need to take it to alt.bmx.
    > You're tired ol' bullshit will play well over there.
    >
    > Dave (not an adult bmx'er like the apostles!)

    What does it matter? I ride my bike in the mountains, it's a mountain bike...

    Gman SS or die!
     
  15. Jd

    Jd Guest

    Gman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Redline PL-24 cruiser...there is no substitute

    Yeah there is, a Schwinn Sting-Ray with a road saddle and motorcycle handlebars.

    JD
     
  16. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    On 5 Dec 2002 05:31:58 -0800, [email protected] (JD) wrote:

    >Gman <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:<[email protected]>...
    >> Redline PL-24 cruiser...there is no substitute
    >
    >Yeah there is, a Schwinn Sting-Ray with a road saddle and motorcycle handlebars.
    Talk about old school...nice. bill

    The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
    an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
  17. Bomba

    Bomba Guest

    Bill Wheeler wrote:
    > On 5 Dec 2002 05:31:58 -0800, [email protected] (JD) wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Gman <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:<[email protected]>...
    >>
    >>>Redline PL-24 cruiser...there is no substitute
    >>
    >>Yeah there is, a Schwinn Sting-Ray with a road saddle and motorcycle handlebars.
    >
    > Talk about old school...nice. bill

    You didn't mention fully rigid SS. Are you sure you're feeling alright?
     
  18. Bill Wheeler

    Bill Wheeler Guest

    On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:24:50 +0100, bomba <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Bill Wheeler wrote:
    >> On 5 Dec 2002 05:31:58 -0800, [email protected] (JD) wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Gman <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:<[email protected]>...
    >>>
    >>>>Redline PL-24 cruiser...there is no substitute
    >>>
    >>>Yeah there is, a Schwinn Sting-Ray with a road saddle and motorcycle handlebars.
    >>
    >> Talk about old school...nice. bill
    >
    >You didn't mention fully rigid SS. Are you sure you're feeling alright?

    Quite fine thank you, ...quite fine ;-)

    Bill

    The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
    an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
    :-]
     
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