Recovery drinks



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Rick Roof

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Powerbar recovery or Endurox R4? What about Accelerade vs. Powerbar
hydrate. Anyone have experience with any of these products. Taste?

Thanks
 
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Roy Gordon

Guest
> Powerbar recovery or Endurox R4?

They both have the "golden" 4:1 carb:protein ratio for recovery drinks.

> What about Accelerade vs. Powerbar
> hydrate.


Use them both. Accelerade is heavier (to me, anyway). I like Lemon-Lime
and, to a lesser extent Fruit Punch. Orange and Rasberry were too sweet for
me.

PBH is lighter. Have just started using it, past couple of weeks. Lemon-
lime is the best flavor. True, it's also the only flavor.

I'd be interested in seeing what some of the more knowledgeable people here
say. My guess is that the differences between them are quite small in
practical value.

I assume that there's some validated, established evidence (not theoretical
speculation or subjective and/or anecdotal opinion) that they're better
than Gatorade and the like. For cyclists.

True? False?

Roy
 
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chris

Guest
We've hashed and rehashed this subject as much as power. While I
haven't looked at this "new" research Carmichael and Power Bar cite I
know this:

the magic 4:1 ratio is useful, but not essential to recovery. The
fact is that if you have to train or compete with less than 24 hrs
recovery (e.g., a stage race or double stage) then such a drink is
very useful and can enhance glycogen repletion. However, once you get
past 24 hrs there really is no difference between protein and
carbohydrate vs. carbohydrate only drinks.

IMO, I would use something like this after any really hard training
session or race because it can't hurt and could help, but do I
wouldn't be too concerned if you can't. I would also suggest that
unless you can get a deal on this stuff you might be better off making
your own (its not rocket science) if you use it often.

I also question the value of putting protein in a drink during
exercise. The research I've seen (I can find some links if anyone
questions this) suggests no real evidence for this. It's all smoke in
mirrors. Reflecting back on a past discussion, I stated that a friend
of mine conducted one of the studies Cytomax cites and they don't lie;
Cytomax will buffer lactate. Unfortunately, you need to consume super
concentrated Cytomax to do it (way over their suggested serving) and
it will lead to severe diarrhea. Not a good thing in a long bike
race.

Chris Harnish, M.S.
Exercise Physiologist and Coach
The Peaks Coaching Group



Roy Gordon <[email protected]_xout.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Powerbar recovery or Endurox R4?

>
> They both have the "golden" 4:1 carb:protein ratio for recovery drinks.
>
> > What about Accelerade vs. Powerbar
> > hydrate.

>
> Use them both. Accelerade is heavier (to me, anyway). I like Lemon-Lime
> and, to a lesser extent Fruit Punch. Orange and Rasberry were too sweet for
> me.
>
> PBH is lighter. Have just started using it, past couple of weeks. Lemon-
> lime is the best flavor. True, it's also the only flavor.
>
> I'd be interested in seeing what some of the more knowledgeable people here
> say. My guess is that the differences between them are quite small in
> practical value.
>
> I assume that there's some validated, established evidence (not theoretical
> speculation or subjective and/or anecdotal opinion) that they're better
> than Gatorade and the like. For cyclists.
>
> True? False?
>
> Roy
 
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Dan Connelly

Guest
chris wrote:

>>PBH is lighter. Have just started using it, past couple of weeks. Lemon-
>>lime is the best flavor. True, it's also the only flavor.
>>
>>I'd be interested in seeing what some of the more knowledgeable people here
>>say. My guess is that the differences between them are quite small in
>>practical value.
>>
>>I assume that there's some validated, established evidence (not theoretical
>>speculation or subjective and/or anecdotal opinion) that they're better
>>than Gatorade and the like. For cyclists.
>>
>>True? False?
>>



A study should also include something simple, like oatmeal with some unsweetened soy milk, etc,
to assess the need for these overprocessed recovery drink powders in the first place.

Dan
 
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gwhite

Guest
Dan Connelly wrote:
>
> chris wrote:
>
> >>PBH is lighter. Have just started using it, past couple of weeks. Lemon-
> >>lime is the best flavor. True, it's also the only flavor.
> >>
> >>I'd be interested in seeing what some of the more knowledgeable people here
> >>say. My guess is that the differences between them are quite small in
> >>practical value.
> >>
> >>I assume that there's some validated, established evidence (not theoretical
> >>speculation or subjective and/or anecdotal opinion) that they're better
> >>than Gatorade and the like. For cyclists.
> >>
> >>True? False?
> >>

>
> A study should also include something simple, like oatmeal with some unsweetened soy milk, etc,
> to assess the need for these overprocessed recovery drink powders in the first place.



What does "overprocessed" mean? The "processed" drinks don't have fiber? They
are more concentrated? I have used OptiFuel II (and Metabolol) and it was
basically a *complete* food, aside from little or no fat. Personally I would
tune in more closely to the "overpriced" aspect when looking at options rather
than worrying about how much it was "processed."
 
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Dan Connelly

Guest
gwhite wrote:

> What does "overprocessed" mean? The "processed" drinks don't have fiber? They
> are more concentrated? I have used OptiFuel II (and Metabolol) and it was
> basically a *complete* food, aside from little or no fat. Personally I would
> tune in more closely to the "overpriced" aspect when looking at options rather
> than worrying about how much it was "processed."



Well, to start with, acesulfame-K basically stands out as a red flag. I am not going
to peruse the very deep list any deeper.

Ingredients:
Metacarb Plus (proprietary carbohydrate blend comprised of: maltodextrin and enzyme modified food starch),
PEPTOL PER4+ (proprietary protein-amino acid blend containing: egg albumen, whey protein concentrate,
calcium caseinate, milk protein isolate, L-leucine, L-isoleucine, L valine, L-phenylalanine, L-methionine,
L-threonine, L-lysine, L-carnitine HCl and L-glutamic acid), fructose, whey, dutch cocoa powder,
onfat milk, medium chain triglycerides, lecithin, Metavite (proprietary vitamin-mineral formulation
which includes: calcium carbonate, magnesium oxide, magnesium lysinate, di-calcium phosphate,
inositol, calcium citrate, molybdenum aspartate, potassium phosphate, iron succinate, zinc citrate,
d-alpha tocopherol succinate, copper glycinate, choline bitartrate, zinc picolinate, niacin, manganese
citrate, calcium pantothenate, selenium methionate, retinyl palmitate, thiamine HCl, pyridoxal-5-phosphate,
riboflavin-5-phosphate, pyridoxine alpha-ketoglutarate [PAK], chromium nicotinyl, chromium polynicotinate,
yanocobalamin, vitamin D3, potassium iodide, d-biotin, folic acid, lipoic acid, and intrinsic factor complex), \
natural flavoring, inosine, calcium lactate, xanthan food gum, acesulfame-K, Succinate ETF (proprietary succinate
compound that includes: potassium succinate, magnesium succinate, calcium succinate, L-glutamic acid), Ester C®
(esterified calcium polyascorbate), carrageenan, carboxymethylcellulose.
 
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h squared

Guest
Dan Connelly wrote:
>
>
> A study should also include something simple, like oatmeal with some unsweetened soy milk, etc,
> to assess the need for these overprocessed recovery drink powders in the first place.



please don't offer me breakfast if i ever stay over.

suz turned me onto chocolate milk as a "recovery drink". since it tastes
good, i'm more likely to drink it when i'm tired out.

heather
 
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gwhite

Guest
Dan Connelly wrote:
>
> gwhite wrote:
>
> > What does "overprocessed" mean? The "processed" drinks don't have fiber? They
> > are more concentrated? I have used OptiFuel II (and Metabolol) and it was
> > basically a *complete* food, aside from little or no fat. Personally I would
> > tune in more closely to the "overpriced" aspect when looking at options rather
> > than worrying about how much it was "processed."

>
> Well, to start with, acesulfame-K basically stands out as a red flag. I am not going
> to peruse the very deep list any deeper.


"More than 90 studies have demonstrated the safety of acesulfame K. The U.S.
Food and Drug Administration permitted the use of acesulfame K after evaluating
numerous studies and determining it is safe for its intended use."
http://www.caloriecontrol.org/acesulf.html

So you think a small amount, once a week or so is a danger? Obviously some are
yelling "CANCER." I am not disbelieving, but skeptical.


> Ingredients:
> Metacarb Plus (proprietary carbohydrate blend comprised of: maltodextrin and enzyme modified food starch),
> PEPTOL PER4+ (proprietary protein-amino acid blend containing: egg albumen, whey protein concentrate,
> calcium caseinate, milk protein isolate, L-leucine, L-isoleucine, L valine, L-phenylalanine, L-methionine,
> L-threonine, L-lysine, L-carnitine HCl and L-glutamic acid), fructose, whey, dutch cocoa powder,
> onfat milk, medium chain triglycerides, lecithin, Metavite (proprietary vitamin-mineral formulation
> which includes: calcium carbonate, magnesium oxide, magnesium lysinate, di-calcium phosphate,
> inositol, calcium citrate, molybdenum aspartate, potassium phosphate, iron succinate, zinc citrate,
> d-alpha tocopherol succinate, copper glycinate, choline bitartrate, zinc picolinate, niacin, manganese
> citrate, calcium pantothenate, selenium methionate, retinyl palmitate, thiamine HCl, pyridoxal-5-phosphate,
> riboflavin-5-phosphate, pyridoxine alpha-ketoglutarate [PAK], chromium nicotinyl, chromium polynicotinate,
> yanocobalamin, vitamin D3, potassium iodide, d-biotin, folic acid, lipoic acid, and intrinsic factor complex), \
> natural flavoring, inosine, calcium lactate, xanthan food gum, acesulfame-K, Succinate ETF (proprietary succinate
> compound that includes: potassium succinate, magnesium succinate, calcium succinate, L-glutamic acid), Ester C®
> (esterified calcium polyascorbate), carrageenan, carboxymethylcellulose.




Looks like food to me. I don't think "processed" for its own sake can be called
"bad." It's like the old hippy complaining about "chemicals." What isn't a
chemical? Look what chemotherapy did for LANCE!!!!!
 
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Dan Connelly

Guest
gwhite wrote:
>
> Dan Connelly wrote:
>
>>gwhite wrote:
>>Well, to start with, acesulfame-K basically stands out as a red flag. I am not going
>>to peruse the very deep list any deeper.

>
>
> "More than 90 studies have demonstrated the safety of acesulfame K. The U.S.
> Food and Drug Administration permitted the use of acesulfame K after evaluating
> numerous studies and determining it is safe for its intended use."
> http://www.caloriecontrol.org/acesulf.html
>
> So you think a small amount, once a week or so is a danger? Obviously some are
> yelling "CANCER." I am not disbelieving, but skeptical.
>


It's an oft-recommended policy, one to which I adhere, to try and
choose whole foods when possible. Cancer, or whatever. We don't know the effect of
long-term exposure to this stuff. Once a week? Fine, I'm sure. But my point is
that a study needs to consider alternatives to product X and water.


> Looks like food to me. I don't think "processed" for its own sake can be called
> "bad." It's like the old hippy complaining about "chemicals." What isn't a
> chemical? Look what chemotherapy did for LANCE!!!!!


Made his hair fall out?

Dan
 
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Dan Connelly

Guest
h squared wrote:
> please don't offer me breakfast if i ever stay over.


Hmmm... maybe we need to take this discussion off-line :).

(just kidding)

Dan
 

Weisse Luft

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To really take this topic in another direction, I found Yohoo! to be an excellent recovery drink. It has lots of potassium (added to keep the cocoa is suspension), calcium and a bit of sodium for electrolytes. It has whey which is easily digestible protein and just a tiny bit of fat. Its cheap, tastes great and has never upset my stomach.
 
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amh

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"Rick Roof" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Powerbar recovery or Endurox R4? What about Accelerade vs. Powerbar
> hydrate. Anyone have experience with any of these products. Taste?
>
> Thanks


I've used Endurox R4 in the past and it has worked for me. I like it
because it is filling enough to let me do the post ride things I need
to do, put things away, stretch, shower, etc. It seemed to help me
with the tired heavy legs during the day after a long ride. It seemed
to do what it is advertised to do.

I prefer the fruit punch flavor.

Andy
 
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John Forrest Tomlinson

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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:27:04 GMT, h squared
<[email protected]> wrote:

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>
>Dan Connelly wrote:
>>
>>
>> A study should also include something simple, like oatmeal with some unsweetened soy milk, etc,
>> to assess the need for these overprocessed recovery drink powders in the first place.

>
>
>please don't offer me breakfast if i ever stay over.
>
>suz turned me onto chocolate milk as a "recovery drink". since it tastes
>good, i'm more likely to drink it when i'm tired out.


When I got out of college no one in apartment I was living in had a
lot of money. But one of my housemates did deliver high-end icecream
as his job. So every few weeks he would bring home one of those big
drums of ice cream, usually some sort of chocolate.

We ate that a lot -- for breakfast, snacks, whatever. One way was
with oatmeal..

JT

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John Forrest Tomlinson

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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 06:34:36 +1000, Weisse Luft
<[email protected]> wrote:

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>To really take this topic in another direction, I found Yohoo!


I like the taste and feel of Yoohoo, but contains trans fats which
can't be good.

JT

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gwhite

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Dan Connelly wrote:
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> It's an oft-recommended policy, one to which I adhere, to try and
> choose whole foods when possible.


I eat oatmeal almost every day and look what has happened.
 
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Lee

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"h squared" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> suz turned me onto chocolate milk as a "recovery drink". since it tastes
> good, i'm more likely to drink it when i'm tired out.


Hmm. After my Cape in a Day Ride (140 miles Boston-PTown), the beer on the
ferry tasted *awfully* good.

Is beer the new recovery drink?

:)

Lee
 
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chris

Guest
Sounds like real evidence to me folks!

There you have it, "...It seems to do what it is advertised to do!"

Sorry man, that was pretty classic.

CH

It seemed to do what it is advertised to do.
>
> I prefer the fruit punch flavor.
>
> Andy
 
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chris

Guest
Sounds like real evidence to me folks!

There you have it, "...It seems to do what it is advertised to do!"

Sorry man, that was pretty classic.

CH

It seemed to do what it is advertised to do.
>
> I prefer the fruit punch flavor.
>
> Andy
 
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chris

Guest
Sounds like real evidence to me folks!

There you have it, "...It seems to do what it is advertised to do!"

Sorry man, that was pretty classic.

CH

It seemed to do what it is advertised to do.
>
> I prefer the fruit punch flavor.
>
> Andy