Removing 'lawyer lugs'

[Gemma_k]

"dtmeister" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Vincent Patrick <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Cheap latex gloves. 100 pack for ~$7. You look silly, but your hands
> stay clean. Keep a pair in your back pack/seat pack.
>
Or, just do the wheel change properly, make sure you are in the smallest cog
before removing wheel, and you wont need to touch your chain or derailleur
at all....
I swear I am going to post a video of how to do it one of these days

Gemm (who has a pack of 100 latex gloves for washing bikes and gluing on
tyres - but the glue eventually dissolves the fingertips

 

[dtmeister]

Gemma_k <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "dtmeister" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Vincent Patrick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Cheap latex gloves. 100 pack for ~$7. You look silly, but your hands
>> stay clean. Keep a pair in your back pack/seat pack.
>>
> Or, just do the wheel change properly, make sure you are in the smallest cog
> before removing wheel, and you wont need to touch your chain or derailleur
> at all....
> I swear I am going to post a video of how to do it one of these days

Yeah yeah, I do all that. I commute in all weather and my wheels are filthy
at the end of a week. Simply squeezing a tyre to check the pressure
leaves me with black marks on my hand.


--
..dt

 

[Bleve]

Gemma_k wrote:
> "Bleve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Gemma_k wrote:
> >
> > > > My Trek Madone 5.2 has, and it's hardly a real richie bike.
> > > >
> > > Ah, Treks, of course! They skimped on the steerer tube, and only put
> the
> > > carbon where you can see it?
> > >
> > > They don't count, ask Mr Hincapie how great they are
> >
> > Crash damage from a previous crash, not a problem with al alloy
> > steerers on pave Read the report again!
> >
> I was winding you up

and I was taking the bait, hook, line & sinker.

 

[Bleve]

Gemma_k wrote:

> You must have missed the parts of races where the team isn't around, and you
> haven't even got your own team car there - it's nuetral spares, and they do
> have to adjust the tension because each fork's got a different thickness -
> it takes an age, race over!

It takes too long anyway, you're going to drop a minute no matter what.
That's bye bye unless there's a line of cars to pace you back, or
you're riding the wrong grade.

 

[Friday]

Gemma_k wrote:
> "Bleve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>
>>>gplama wrote:
>>>
>>>>Karen Gallagher Wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I'd be just as well off using the old hubs I used to have with giant
>>>>>wing-nuts on to hold the wheels tight
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><not very pro>
>>>
>>>'twas all we had in the 60's
>>
>>These may interest you :
>>
>>http://www.neuvationcycling.com/skewers/skewers.html
>>
>>Personally, I can't see the point. If you have a follow car and are
>>doing wheel changes during a race and have a team to pace you back to
>>the bunch? Otherwise? Seriously, how hard is it to get the tension
>>right?
>>
>
> You must have missed the parts of races where the team isn't around, and you
> haven't even got your own team car there - it's nuetral spares, and they do
> have to adjust the tension because each fork's got a different thickness -
> it takes an age, race over!
> Compared to a team car change where the QR's are adjusted right already for
> the team fork... lickety split the changes are!
> It should be quicker to change a front wheel than a back wheel, but it ain't
> with lawyer lugs :-(
> Wheel changes should be a one-handed affair, not a bending over two handed
> trial and error process.
>
> Gemm
>
>

So does Karen Gallagher race or does she just find it an inconvenience
generally?


Friday

 

[Vincent Patrick]

Gemma_k wrote:

>
> "dtmeister" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Vincent Patrick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Cheap latex gloves. 100 pack for ~$7. You look silly, but your hands
>> stay clean. Keep a pair in your back pack/seat pack.
>>
> Or, just do the wheel change properly, make sure you are in the smallest
> cog before removing wheel, and you wont need to touch your chain or
> derailleur at all....
> I swear I am going to post a video of how to do it one of these days
>
> Gemm (who has a pack of 100 latex gloves for washing bikes and gluing on
> tyres - but the glue eventually dissolves the fingertips

I really, really want to see the video!

I have tried rear wheel changes with the smallest cog, tried it with the
central cog (suggested somewhere) and tried inserting the wheel in
different ways. Holding the bike and the wheel at the same time while
trying to simultaneously place the wheel in the frame and the chain on the
appropriate cog is such fun. Not making any claims to great technique at
all, but in the end I always get dirty: 100% success rate so far!

Cheers,

Vince
'No dirty stuff, please: we're cyclists'

 

[Vincent Patrick]

Donga wrote:

>
> Vincent Patrick wrote:
>> This is a bit off-topic, but my curiosity has taken hold. I have
>> sometimes seen guys riding along on one wheel even for quite long
>> distances, and
>> often wondered about the technique involved. How do you do a wheelie on
>> a road bike?
>
> Robbie McEwen can pull monos at will. It's a trademark when he wins
> races, to pull a mono and give a peace sign with only one hand on the
> bar. You can find pics on the net. Sensational!
>
> Donga

Thanks Donga. Just found a picture of Robbie doing that peace-sign mono, and
yes it is quite something.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour04.php?id=photos/2004/tour04/stage12/S-McEWENARRIVO12a-2878

It would be nice to know more about the ins-and-outs of the mono or wheelie,
so if there's anyone out there with information or knowledge it would be
much appreciated.

Cheers,

Vince

 

[Kathy]

Vincent Patrick wrote:
> Donga wrote:
>
>
>>Vincent Patrick wrote:
>>
>>>This is a bit off-topic, but my curiosity has taken hold. I have
>>>sometimes seen guys riding along on one wheel even for quite long
>>>distances, and
>>>often wondered about the technique involved. How do you do a wheelie on
>>>a road bike?
>>
>>Robbie McEwen can pull monos at will. It's a trademark when he wins
>>races, to pull a mono and give a peace sign with only one hand on the
>>bar. You can find pics on the net. Sensational!
>>
>>Donga
>
>
> Thanks Donga. Just found a picture of Robbie doing that peace-sign mono, and
> yes it is quite something.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour04.php?id=photos/2004/tour04/stage12/S-McEWENARRIVO12a-2878
>
> It would be nice to know more about the ins-and-outs of the mono or wheelie,
> so if there's anyone out there with information or knowledge it would be
> much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vince
>
I find little ones really easy and often accidental.
Of course a pillion on the back (thanks Kathy) and 80 BHP help a lot

Dave

 

[hippy]

It would be nice to know more about the ins-and-outs of the mono or wheelie,
so if there's anyone out there with information or knowledge it would be
much appreciated.

A cool page on trials moves, including wheelies:
http://free-du.t-com.hr/trials/lawnmms-howto.html

hippy

 

[Theo Bekkers]

Vincent Patrick wrote:
> Gemma_k wrote:

>> Gemm (who has a pack of 100 latex gloves for washing bikes and
>> gluing on tyres

> Not making any claims to great
> technique at all, but in the end I always get dirty:

Hands are meant to get dirty. Clothing was invented so you could wipe most
of it off.

Theo

 

[Karen Gallagher]

Friday wrote:
> Gemma_k wrote:
>> "Bleve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>>
>>>> gplama wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Karen Gallagher Wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be just as well off using the old hubs I used to have with
>>>>>> giant wing-nuts on to hold the wheels tight
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <not very pro>
>>>>
>>>> 'twas all we had in the 60's
>>>
>>> These may interest you :
>>>
>>> http://www.neuvationcycling.com/skewers/skewers.html
>>>
>>> Personally, I can't see the point. If you have a follow car and are
>>> doing wheel changes during a race and have a team to pace you back
>>> to the bunch? Otherwise? Seriously, how hard is it to get the
>>> tension right?
>>>
>>
>> You must have missed the parts of races where the team isn't around,
>> and you haven't even got your own team car there - it's nuetral
>> spares, and they do have to adjust the tension because each fork's
>> got a different thickness - it takes an age, race over!
>> Compared to a team car change where the QR's are adjusted right
>> already for the team fork... lickety split the changes are!
>> It should be quicker to change a front wheel than a back wheel, but
>> it ain't with lawyer lugs :-(
>> Wheel changes should be a one-handed affair, not a bending over two
>> handed trial and error process.
>>
>> Gemm
>>
>>
>
> So does Karen Gallagher race or does she just find it an inconvenience
> generally?
>
>
> Friday

I used to race - and got a place in a triathlon after fixing a puncture by
the roadside with a bike without lawyer lugs. I'm getting too old to race
these days! But, as I said in a previous post, I find the lawyer lugs an
inelegant modification to a nice engineering solution, and I've never had an
issue with loose wheels in the last half century or so. Sure, as a kid I
found out the hard way what happens if your back wheel's a tad loose (it
moves to one side, & you stop rather quickly) and learned my lesson well.

Never thought I'd generate such a big thread with a simple question

I'll be filing the front forks this weekend too, by the way


Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

 

[alison_b]

Friday wrote:
> Gemma_k wrote:
>> "Bleve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>>
>>>> gplama wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Karen Gallagher Wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be just as well off using the old hubs I used to have with
>>>>>> giant wing-nuts on to hold the wheels tight
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <not very pro>
>>>>
>>>> 'twas all we had in the 60's
>>>
>>> These may interest you :
>>>
>>> http://www.neuvationcycling.com/skewers/skewers.html
>>>
>>> Personally, I can't see the point. If you have a follow car and are
>>> doing wheel changes during a race and have a team to pace you back
>>> to the bunch? Otherwise? Seriously, how hard is it to get the
>>> tension right?
>>>
>>
>> You must have missed the parts of races where the team isn't around,
>> and you haven't even got your own team car there - it's nuetral
>> spares, and they do have to adjust the tension because each fork's
>> got a different thickness - it takes an age, race over!
>> Compared to a team car change where the QR's are adjusted right
>> already for the team fork... lickety split the changes are!
>> It should be quicker to change a front wheel than a back wheel, but
>> it ain't with lawyer lugs :-(
>> Wheel changes should be a one-handed affair, not a bending over two
>> handed trial and error process.
>>
>> Gemm
>>
>>
>
> So does Karen Gallagher race or does she just find it an inconvenience
> generally?
>
>
> Friday

I used to race - and got a place in a triathlon after fixing a puncture by
the roadside with a bike without lawyer lugs. I'm getting too old to race
these days! But, as I said in a previous post, I find the lawyer lugs an
inelegant modification to a nice engineering solution, and I've never had an
issue with loose wheels in the last half century or so. Sure, as a kid I
found out the hard way what happens if your back wheel's a tad loose (it
moves to one side, & you stop rather quickly) and learned my lesson well.

Never thought I'd generate such a big thread with a simple question

I'll be filing the front forks this weekend too, by the way


Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

I've googled this to death... does anybody have a picture of these 'lugs'? There doesn't seem to be anything stopping my front wheel from just sliding out (and back in) if the QR is undone (although needs a tap to get through the brake pads now I have some slightly wider tyres on for "the trek" next week).

Not that I'm wanting to take a file to "the princess" anyway... just curious...

ali

 

[adam85]

I used to race - and got a place in a triathlon after fixing a puncture by
the roadside with a bike without lawyer lugs. I'm getting too old to race
these days! But, as I said in a previous post, I find the lawyer lugs an
inelegant modification to a nice engineering solution, and I've never had an
issue with loose wheels in the last half century or so. Sure, as a kid I
found out the hard way what happens if your back wheel's a tad loose (it
moves to one side, & you stop rather quickly) and learned my lesson well.

Never thought I'd generate such a big thread with a simple question

I'll be filing the front forks this weekend too, by the way


Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

Hi Karen,
Too old to race? Never! There's quite a few in our club racing in their 70's. I hope I'm as fit as them when I get to that age. And even better, with dementia every race is on a new course

Adam

 

[Kathy]

> I've googled this to death... does anybody have a picture of these
> 'lugs'? There doesn't seem to be anything stopping my front wheel from
> just sliding out (and back in) if the QR is undone (although needs a tap
> to get through the brake pads now I have some slightly wider tyres on
> for "the trek" next week).
>
> Not that I'm wanting to take a file to "the princess" anyway... just
> curious...
>
> ali
not sure its going to be easy to see in a pic. Essentially if the fork
tips
are dead straight.. so that (tires excepted, the moment the QR is not
holding the wheel tight it just falls out.. then you dont have lawyer
lugs. If you have to loosen the wheel more than that ( few turns of the
QR or many turns in the case of some TREKS ) then you do. THey are
just bumps at the end of the drop outs that the qr needs to be undone
enough to pass over. usually only a couple of mm or less. Got it? Or
did you understand and just want a pic anyway?

Dave
>

 

[alison_b]

> I've googled this to death... does anybody have a picture of these
> 'lugs'? There doesn't seem to be anything stopping my front wheel from
> just sliding out (and back in) if the QR is undone (although needs a tap
> to get through the brake pads now I have some slightly wider tyres on
> for "the trek" next week).
>
> Not that I'm wanting to take a file to "the princess" anyway... just
> curious...
>
> ali
not sure its going to be easy to see in a pic. Essentially if the fork
tips
are dead straight.. so that (tires excepted, the moment the QR is not
holding the wheel tight it just falls out.. then you dont have lawyer
lugs. If you have to loosen the wheel more than that ( few turns of the
QR or many turns in the case of some TREKS ) then you do. THey are
just bumps at the end of the drop outs that the qr needs to be undone
enough to pass over. usually only a couple of mm or less. Got it? Or
did you understand and just want a pic anyway?

Dave
>

ah, thanks... I do have to turn the QR for the wheel to fall out. (I just thought that was what a QR was... something that didn't need a spanner!)

I was expecting something more dramatic

ali

 

[Humbug]

On 02/06/06 at 09:25:06 alison_b somehow managed to type:

<snip>

> I've googled this to death... does anybody have a picture of these
> 'lugs'? There doesn't seem to be anything stopping my front wheel

http://members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/lawyerlips.jpg

--

Humbug
Today is Pungenday, the 7th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3172

 

[Tamyka Bell]

Vincent Patrick wrote:
>
> dtmeister wrote:
>
> > Vincent Patrick <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> If its the back wheel, my bane is refitting the chain on the derailleur
> >> while putting the wheel on, and trying (unsuccessfully) to avoid the
> >> grease.
> >
> > Cheap latex gloves. 100 pack for ~$7. You look silly, but your hands
> > stay clean. Keep a pair in your back pack/seat pack.
>
> Nice one. Thanks for that!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vince

My local servo has plastic gloves hanging up at each pump. I take a
couple each time for *cough* before ultras...

Tam

 

[Vincent Patrick]

Kathy wrote:

>
>
> Vincent Patrick wrote:
>> Donga wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Vincent Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is a bit off-topic, but my curiosity has taken hold. I have
>>>>sometimes seen guys riding along on one wheel even for quite long
>>>>distances, and
>>>>often wondered about the technique involved. How do you do a wheelie on
>>>>a road bike?
>>>
>>>Robbie McEwen can pull monos at will. It's a trademark when he wins
>>>races, to pull a mono and give a peace sign with only one hand on the
>>>bar. You can find pics on the net. Sensational!
>>>
>>>Donga
>>
>>
>> Thanks Donga. Just found a picture of Robbie doing that peace-sign mono,
>> and yes it is quite something.
>>
>>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tour04.php?id=photos/2004/tour04/stage12/S-McEWENARRIVO12a-2878
>>
>> It would be nice to know more about the ins-and-outs of the mono or
>> wheelie, so if there's anyone out there with information or knowledge it
>> would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Vince
>>
> I find little ones really easy and often accidental.
> Of course a pillion on the back (thanks Kathy) and 80 BHP help a lot
>
> Dave

80 bhp? I'm working up to it, but my legs haven't quite got that strong.

Cheers,

Vince

 

[Vincent Patrick]

hippy wrote:

>
> Vincent Patrick Wrote:
>>
>> It would be nice to know more about the ins-and-outs of the mono or
>> wheelie,
>> so if there's anyone out there with information or knowledge it would
>> be
>> much appreciated.
>>
>
> A cool page on trials moves, including wheelies:
> http://free-du.t-com.hr/trials/lawnmms-howto.html
>
> hippy

Thanks mate! I hadn't found anything as good as that.

Cheers,

Vince

 

[Kathy]

alison_b wrote:

> Kathy Wrote:
>
>>>I've googled this to death... does anybody have a picture of these
>>>'lugs'? There doesn't seem to be anything stopping my front wheel
>>
>>from
>>
>>>just sliding out (and back in) if the QR is undone (although needs a
>>
>>tap
>>
>>>to get through the brake pads now I have some slightly wider tyres on
>>>for "the trek" next week).
>>>
>>>Not that I'm wanting to take a file to "the princess" anyway... just
>>>curious...
>>>
>>>ali
>>
>>not sure its going to be easy to see in a pic. Essentially if the fork
>>tips
>>are dead straight.. so that (tires excepted, the moment the QR is not
>>holding the wheel tight it just falls out.. then you dont have lawyer
>>lugs. If you have to loosen the wheel more than that ( few turns of the
>>QR or many turns in the case of some TREKS ) then you do. THey are
>>just bumps at the end of the drop outs that the qr needs to be undone
>>enough to pass over. usually only a couple of mm or less. Got it? Or
>>did you understand and just want a pic anyway?
>>
>>Dave
>>
> ah, thanks... I do have to turn the QR for the wheel to fall out. (I
> just thought that was what a QR was... something that didn't need a
> spanner!)
>
> I was expecting something more dramatic
>
> ali
>
>

Yeah its just the difference between a few turns and essentially just
closing the lever.. But while not a fan of lawyer lugs (especially on
trecks where its like a dozen turns) having the front wheel fall out
could be dramatic enuf.

Friggin major project due in a couple of hours.. I am now faking the
bits of code no one is going to check Goat tonight

Dave