thunder said:
................and Giovanni Lombardi completed all three GT's in 2006, age 34.
Only the 13th rider to do so, in cycling history.
Request to investigate L.A. !
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................and Giovanni Lombardi completed all three GT's in 2006, age 34.
Only the 13th rider to do so, in cycling history.
If you try and distill doping down to a black and white scenario of who is moral and who is not,who is right and who is wrong, you are missing the point.
The basis all comes down to money and power. There has been what I would deem a conspiracy the past few years to undermine the "Old Essence" of cycling.
It seems to be a systematic progressive attempt to weed out certain elements or individuals from the cycling community.
I know deals are made in an attempt to achieve whatever end is desired.
Exactly what is the desired end result , escapes me.
Compromises and deals will continue to be made in what seems a chaotic and non-logical mess.
The riders are just parts in a much larger corrupt machine. Some are just bigger parts than others are.
At worst sponsors will continue to drop out and pro cycling will sink even lower, but at least it gives us something to debate about.
"They all dope, cowblood, cowblood, cowblood"!
Sorry, Flyer had control of my mind for a second or so.
The basis all comes down to money and power. There has been what I would deem a conspiracy the past few years to undermine the "Old Essence" of cycling.
It seems to be a systematic progressive attempt to weed out certain elements or individuals from the cycling community.
I know deals are made in an attempt to achieve whatever end is desired.
Exactly what is the desired end result , escapes me.
Compromises and deals will continue to be made in what seems a chaotic and non-logical mess.
The riders are just parts in a much larger corrupt machine. Some are just bigger parts than others are.
At worst sponsors will continue to drop out and pro cycling will sink even lower, but at least it gives us something to debate about.
"They all dope, cowblood, cowblood, cowblood"!
Sorry, Flyer had control of my mind for a second or so.
but Landis et al cant whinge.
Landis signs a big endorsement deal with Smith and Nephew, gets his story placed in the NYTimes weekend mag, and sells out to the corporate shill.
Smith and Nephew second biggest medical products firm, makes prosthetics. He said he needed a hip replacement, and had necro whatever, dying of the hip/femur ball.
Nothing of the sort, he had a hip resurfacing. Puts his hand out for the dollars, and creates this Armstrong narrative.
So, when he whinges about conspiracies, and corporate interests, and the riders get going over, it is BS. He was a willing participant. He wanted to get rich off the back of the corporate sector.
Landis signs a big endorsement deal with Smith and Nephew, gets his story placed in the NYTimes weekend mag, and sells out to the corporate shill.
Smith and Nephew second biggest medical products firm, makes prosthetics. He said he needed a hip replacement, and had necro whatever, dying of the hip/femur ball.
Nothing of the sort, he had a hip resurfacing. Puts his hand out for the dollars, and creates this Armstrong narrative.
So, when he whinges about conspiracies, and corporate interests, and the riders get going over, it is BS. He was a willing participant. He wanted to get rich off the back of the corporate sector.
The procedure he had doesn't just involve a resurfacing, there are prosthetics as well, just not as extensive as with a total hip replacement.thunder said:
See:
http://www.birminghamhipresurfacing.com/1/19/
jhuskey said:If you try and distill doping down to a black and white scenario of who is moral and who is not,who is right and who is wrong, you are missing the point.
The basis all comes down to money and power. There has been what I would deem a conspiracy the past few years to undermine the "Old Essence" of cycling.
It seems to be a systematic progressive attempt to weed out certain elements or individuals from the cycling community.
I know deals are made in an attempt to achieve whatever end is desired.
Exactly what is the desired end result , escapes me.
Compromises and deals will continue to be made in what seems a chaotic and non-logical mess.
The riders are just parts in a much larger corrupt machine. Some are just bigger parts than others are.
At worst sponsors will continue to drop out and pro cycling will sink even lower, but at least it gives us something to debate about.
"They all dope, cowblood, cowblood, cowblood"!
Sorry, Flyer had control of my mind for a second or so.
I agree with the views that you express here.
The analysis that you have put forward is correct - there does seem to be a duality operating within the sport.
Part one - consists of teams/riders who do not dope.
Part two - is split in to two camps : both camps dope, but only one camp is offered up as a sacrifice when the heats comes on and the other camp are allowed flourish unhindered.
Underpinning all of this is the UCI - who set the tone and the parameters in which both camps operate.
The sport continues to die by a thousand cuts..........while McQuaid et al, refuse to tackle camp two and it's delinquent half.
Lim, I have had discussions with others that have more knowledge than I about cycling that hold the same views.
They also cannot decipher the reasoning behind decisions that have been made, but the pattern is there.
I suspect if we had all the facts someone would have to kills us.
They also cannot decipher the reasoning behind decisions that have been made, but the pattern is there.
I suspect if we had all the facts someone would have to kills us.
okay, I actually spent a few minutes going through the site (cos it's Friday afternoon and I don't feel like working ssshhhh), and I'd put money on Decanio being behind it. He tried to tone it down, but the same phrasing as on u13 is all over the place.poulidor said:
For Armstrong is was gear selection. Like Picaso, many have followed in the same genre but no one can outdo the master.limerickman said:
Tim Lamkin said:
I said Lombardi completed 3 GT's in the same year.
I didn't say Lombardi won 3 GT's in the same year.
