Request to investigate L.A. !

[thunder]

It was the point to which I was responding since someone posted he had both removed and speculated he would have needed T replacement.

As far as I know he did not get a TUE for testosterone, and I believe this speculation has been put to rest previously.

ok.

 

[Eldrack]

Website visitors since the day Trek Bicycles sued and made the worst decision in the history of their company to go
against the greatest anti-doping champion the sport of cycling has ever seen Greg Lemond for his comments made about Lance Armstrong.

Hahahahahahaha, I'm sorry it's hard to stop laughing. Haven't they clicked that old Greggy boy was on the gear as well? Maybe not the pure, A grade rocket fuel Lance got, because it wasn't around, but whatever was best at the time? Ah the innocence of people towards their heroes.

 

[jimmypop]

Hahahahahahaha, I'm sorry it's hard to stop laughing. Haven't they clicked that old Greggy boy was on the gear as well? Maybe not the pure, A grade rocket fuel Lance got, because it wasn't around, but whatever was best at the time? Ah the innocence of people towards their heroes.

Please, show us the mountain of evidence which indicates Lemond doped. All evidence, in fact, points to the contrary. And we don't even need to touch on Lemond's natural abilities.

Lemond is the athlete Armstrong wished he could be.

 

[thunder]

Please, show us the mountain of evidence which indicates Lemond doped. All evidence, in fact, points to the contrary. And we don't even need to touch on Lemond's natural abilities.

Lemond is the athlete Armstrong wished he could be.

Benjo Maso, the foremost cycling historian suggests his last win was doped, but not his first two.

Which interestingly, does not fit with the La Vie Claire timeline. He had passed thru Tapie's squad by then.

Maso reckons the last clean win, was Lemond's second victory.

 

[Wayne666]

Benjo Maso, the foremost cycling historian suggests his last win was doped, but not his first two.

Which interestingly, does not fit with the La Vie Claire timeline. He had passed thru Tapie's squad by then.

Maso reckons the last clean win, was Lemond's second victory.

Where is he posting or writing now?

He used to post good stuff on RBR but I haven't seen anything by him in a long time.

 

[thunder]

Where is he posting or writing now?

He used to post good stuff on RBR but I haven't seen anything by him in a long time.

not sure if he is posting anywhere. But that was his position.

 

[poulidor]

Benjo Maso, the foremost cycling historian suggests his last win was doped, but not his first two.

Which interestingly, does not fit with the La Vie Claire timeline. He had passed thru Tapie's squad by then.

Maso reckons the last clean win, was Lemond's second victory.

Maybe... he has at least 2 clean wins and Lance 7 doped wins!

 

[classic1]

I support the ILO cause and believe the likes of Armstrong, Landis and Hamilton should be locked up. My little boy is terrified that if these people allowed to roam the countryside they will come in the night and drink his blood. They even caught Hamilton doing it at the Vuelta and banned him for it.

 

[Eldrack]

Please, show us the mountain of evidence which indicates Lemond doped. All evidence, in fact, points to the contrary. And we don't even need to touch on Lemond's natural abilities.

Lemond is the athlete Armstrong wished he could be.

Well, let me see. One very simple, but damning piece of evidence would be the fact that Greg held the record for highest speed in a time trial over 10km for his efforts in the 1989 TdF at 54.545 km per hour. On the last stage. And he was only beaten by a TT specialist who had peaked for the first stage in 2005. He is at a massive dissadvantage compared to todays riders in terms of aerodynamics, and in terms of superior doping products. If you take away any form of doping from Greg Lemonds performance that day it is nothing short of impossible.

 

[Wayne666]

Well, let me see. One very simple, but damning piece of evidence would be the fact that Greg held the record for highest speed in a time trial over 10km for his efforts in the 1989 TdF at 54.545 km per hour. On the last stage. And he was only beaten by a TT specialist who had peaked for the first stage in 2005. He is at a massive dissadvantage compared to todays riders in terms of aerodynamics, and in terms of superior doping products. If you take away any form of doping from Greg Lemonds performance that day it is nothing short of impossible.

Weren't there other factors that contributed to that performance, like a big tailwind the whole way?

 

[thunder]

Weren't there other factors that contributed to that performance, like a big tailwind the whole way?

downhill also.

 

[thunder]

I dont know how you can compare a 10km tt, which is basically a prologue.

 

[limerickman]

.......and I think that it would be unwise to try to extrapolate an accusation of doping based upon one ITT result.

 

[poulidor]

Well, let me see. One very simple, but damning piece of evidence would be the fact that Greg held the record for highest speed in a time trial over 10km for his efforts in the 1989 TdF at 54.545 km per hour. On the last stage. And he was only beaten by a TT specialist who had peaked for the first stage in 2005. He is at a massive dissadvantage compared to todays riders in terms of aerodynamics, and in terms of superior doping products. If you take away any form of doping from Greg Lemonds performance that day it is nothing short of impossible.

Sometimes you have to take time to post.
Go back to look at performance on that TT... and what would you see? That every rider makes a great "absolute" performance...
If Greg Lemond were full doped that day he should have put a gap between other riders but it's no the case!
Now if you look the profile of the stage you will learn that starting line is more than 100m higher between than finish line.
And if you have a video of stage, you will see that riders have a backwind all along the stage. This TT was Versailles - Champs-Elysees.

I like how LA fans are able to reject the most rationnal argument of LA doping but are able to produce the less reasonnable point about their nightmare Greg

 

[Leafer]

Well, let me see. One very simple, but damning piece of evidence would be the fact that Greg held the record for highest speed in a time trial over 10km for his efforts in the 1989 TdF at 54.545 km per hour.

And Lemond won the first ITT in that same Tour with a blazing average speed of 44km/hr (granted, it was over 70km).

 

[kennf]

Well, let me see. One very simple, but damning piece of evidence would be the fact that Greg held the record for highest speed in a time trial over 10km for his efforts in the 1989 TdF at 54.545 km per hour. On the last stage. And he was only beaten by a TT specialist who had peaked for the first stage in 2005. He is at a massive dissadvantage compared to todays riders in terms of aerodynamics, and in terms of superior doping products. If you take away any form of doping from Greg Lemonds performance that day it is nothing short of impossible.

Okay, a fast short time trial with a tail wind (using disc wheel and aero bars). What else you got?

 

[Bro Deal]

Benjo Maso, the foremost cycling historian suggests his last win was doped, but not his first two.

Which interestingly, does not fit with the La Vie Claire timeline. He had passed thru Tapie's squad by then.

Maso reckons the last clean win, was Lemond's second victory.

If I remember right, Maso's allegation of Lemond doping was Armstrong saying he would find ten people to claim Lemond doped. Repeating that in his book was ridiculous.

 

[Eldrack]

I like how LA fans are able to reject the most rationnal argument of LA doping but are able to produce the less reasonnable point about their nightmare Greg

Point in case: I'm not an LA fan, I think he was doped to the gills throughout all his TdF performances. You might be confused by the fact I am highly critical of the way the anti doping authorities have persued this case. They've managed to **** up all the evidence against him so none of it stands up in court hence why he hasn't been convicted. But anyway...

Wow. Seems as easy to provoke a massive response here by critising GL as it is by praising LA.

As I said it's just one piece of 'evidence', something that stands in contrast to the proposition that the guy didn't dope. There where thousands of professional time trials over the distance of 10k between 1989 and 2005 when the record was broken and not one of them was faster.

The downhill nature of the TT course was so small (0.3% gradient) it is negligable and can be ignored given that other factors can be. So, out of those 1000's of TT's that have taken place, hundreds will have been on a flat course and there will have been quite a few with a nice tailwind (ok, it's a fairly handwaving statistical arguement but I can't be bothered to look up course and conditions for hundreds of races just to prove my point). So replicating the conditions isn't a problem.

You then have Gred Lemond racing the fastest TT ever against riders with better equipement (work a couple of kph over his kit). That seems odd to me. Also his record stood all the way through the EPO/Blood doping era. To think that he did it without 'assistance' is hard.

If you think about it you just end up replicating the arguements used for LA. Saying Gred Lemond could win a TdF against doped up riders because he was some how magically more gifted than the rest of them is ****. Sure the dope wasn't as good then, but over a race the length of the TdF it shows.

Maybe he was just using a higher cadence though?

 

[Bro Deal]

There where thousands of professional time trials over the distance of 10k between 1989 and 2005 when the record was broken and not one of them was faster.

The 2005 ITT was the shortest ITT in the TdF since 1989.

 

[thunder]

Point in case: I'm not an LA fan, I think he was doped to the gills throughout all his TdF performances. You might be confused by the fact I am highly critical of the way the anti doping authorities have persued this case. They've managed to **** up all the evidence against him so none of it stands up in court hence why he hasn't been convicted. But anyway...

Wow. Seems as easy to provoke a massive response here by critising GL as it is by praising LA.

As I said it's just one piece of 'evidence', something that stands in contrast to the proposition that the guy didn't dope. There where thousands of professional time trials over the distance of 10k between 1989 and 2005 when the record was broken and not one of them was faster.

The downhill nature of the TT course was so small (0.3% gradient) it is negligable and can be ignored given that other factors can be. So, out of those 1000's of TT's that have taken place, hundreds will have been on a flat course and there will have been quite a few with a nice tailwind (ok, it's a fairly handwaving statistical arguement but I can't be bothered to look up course and conditions for hundreds of races just to prove my point). So replicating the conditions isn't a problem.

You then have Gred Lemond racing the fastest TT ever against riders with better equipement (work a couple of kph over his kit). That seems odd to me. Also his record stood all the way through the EPO/Blood doping era. To think that he did it without 'assistance' is hard.

If you think about it you just end up replicating the arguements used for LA. Saying Gred Lemond could win a TdF against doped up riders because he was some how magically more gifted than the rest of them is ****. Sure the dope wasn't as good then, but over a race the length of the TdF it shows.

Maybe he was just using a higher cadence though?

0.3% is very definitely a material number. If it was dead flat, and no false flat rise, no technical corners, then that is a great example for a power tt.

You only need to see the speed of Wiggins over 4km. I dare say Wiggins could do 10 km on the track in well under 11 minutes.

So that works out to Lemond yes?

And if Lemond has a following wind, that would negate the aero qualities on the track tt bike.