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Requiem for Usenet???

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  1. http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051117.gtjkcolumnno
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    By JACK KAPICA

    Thursday, November 17, 2005 Posted at 1:15 PM EST

    Globe and Mail Update

    On Dec. 15, Rogers Communications will stop Usenet service to its
    Internet customers. Subscribers began receiving notices of the move with
    their November invoices.

    There has been some distress on-line, especially on a blog called Dump
    Rogers, which urges Usenet fans to leave the cable service because "if
    you are tired of paying Rogers more money for less service, then Dump
    Rogers is just for you."

    The departure of Usenet from the regular schedule is sad news, if not
    entirely unexpected. A number of Internet service providers have been
    quietly dropping Usenet as a quaint, little-used relic of a dimly
    remembered digital past.

    Usenet - that odd agglomeration of some 50,000 active or ghost
    discussion groups — was founded in a fit of idealism, a dream of
    communities inhabited by like-minded people seeking comfort or
    information. The word "democratic" was often invoked to describe a
    system based on interest, not location, offering relief to a world
    chafing at geographic constraints.

    But it started its slide to irrelevance with the arrival of the World
    Wide Web in the mid-1990s, when the graphical interface changed the
    Internet from a text-driven medium into a visual one.

    Aside from being based on the written word, which many game-playing kids
    would rather not make the effort to compose, Usenet is deeply flawed.
    Its democratic dream offers no defence against viruses, spammers,
    criminals, hucksters or deranged individuals. Rummaging about in Usenet
    is like slumming through the tenderloin district during the plague years
    — your chances of catching a computer virus or a handful of invitations
    to unspeakable sexual acts is much greater than finding what you were
    looking for in the first place.

    Usenet eventually gained a reputation as a refuge for pre-civilized
    thugs with a penchant for imbecile grammar and vicious talk. The antics
    of juveniles and troubled people started scaring off others — democracy
    still needs laws, after all, so that its mechanisms are not hijacked by
    people in serious need of psychiatric help. I recall one incident, in
    which a bunch of high-spirited kids decided to invade another newsgroup
    as a prank. The prank effectively destroyed the target group.

    Some democracy.

    All this is true mostly of the Alt newsgroups, which were designed to
    have few inhibitions. Other groups, such as Comp, Sci, Soc and
    Humanities, fare much better, largely because they can be moderated.
    They contain lots of valuable stuff.

    But the rise in the signal-to-noise ratio among the Alt groups has made
    combing through the chatter a tedious process. So useless has Usenet's
    reputation become that a Rogers representative tells me that less than 3
    per cent of its subscribers use it, which makes for a very strong
    argument to drop it in favour of blogs, instant messaging, non-Usenet
    groups and personal Web pages.

    There is, however, some merit in the criticism that Rogers is removing a
    service without changing its rates, suggesting subscribers turn to
    portal technology controlled by Rogers/Yahoo, or to subscribe to an
    outside Usenet service — at extra cost.

    I'm not so sure Usenet should be as dead as a 3-per-cent user rate
    suggests. Maybe the drop in users is just the result of a bad reputation
    or a too-high noise index. Perhaps there could be a digital makeover, in
    which nntp news servers can be configured in such a way as to select
    which hierarchies of groups can be offered to subscribers, or
    subscribers could select which groups to subscribe to.

    If this were done on a global level, it might scare off less-constrained
    users who will know their words are only diminishing their potential
    audience. That would also allow the remaining groups to thrive in a
    field not choked by weeds.

    Usenet — which no one owns, so no one can fix it — is surely something
    that can survive a little judicious surgery at the server level, where
    no harm would come to the "democratic" basis on which it was founded.

    Perhaps I'm just being sentimental, but Usenet still strikes me as
    useful.

  2. [email hidden] (Bumper) wrote in
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    http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051117.gtjkcolumnn
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    Perhaps I'm just being sentimental, but Usenet still strikes me as
    useful.

    In many cases it's FAR and away more useful than the Web. The rise of
    Google has led to a rise in Google-rigging. If I want to search for an
    answer to a particular issue -- whether it's about running or fixing my PC
    -- I'm far more likely to run into a real answer in Usenet than on the web,
    where my first 20 or so search results are usually somebody trying to sell
    me something (I love those 'highly ranked' how-to-fix-your-PC sites that
    want to sell you the answer to your question).

    And I've had far more malware infections via bad web pages than via bad
    Usenet downloads.

    Thank goodness for Easynews, Giganews and all the others...

  3. On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:22:25 -0600, Newsdud <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Bumper) wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051117.gtjkcolumnn
    o v17/BNStory/Technology/

    Perhaps I'm just being sentimental, but Usenet still strikes me as
    useful.

    In many cases it's FAR and away more useful than the Web. The rise of
    Google has led to a rise in Google-rigging. If I want to search for an
    answer to a particular issue -- whether it's about running or fixing my PC
    -- I'm far more likely to run into a real answer in Usenet than on the web,
    where my first 20 or so search results are usually somebody trying to sell
    me something (I love those 'highly ranked' how-to-fix-your-PC sites that
    want to sell you the answer to your question).

    And I've had far more malware infections via bad web pages than via bad
    Usenet downloads.

    Thank goodness for Easynews, Giganews and all the others...

    Don't listen to newdud, he's a dud.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Usenet eventually gained a reputation as a refuge for pre-civilized
    thugs with a penchant for imbecile grammar and vicious talk. The antics
    of juveniles and troubled people started scaring off others - democracy
    still needs laws, after all, so that its mechanisms are not hijacked by
    people in serious need of psychiatric help.

    Wow! Sounds like a fun place. Just like the rest of modern day society.

  5. "Newsdude" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    And I've had far more malware infections via bad web pages than via bad
    Usenet downloads.

    I use Firefox, and have little trouble with malware. IE was constantly
    picking up junk.

    Dave

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