Reversing Clogged Arteries

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by Skofeld, Jan 7, 2006.

  1. Skofeld

    Skofeld Guest

    What is a good diet or supplements to reverse artery clog?
     
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  2. Juhana Harju

    Juhana Harju Guest

    Skofeld wrote:
    : What is a good diet or supplements to reverse artery clog?

    Reversing atheroclerosis is quite an ambitious goal but it has been done by
    very low fat Esselstyn and Ornish diets but they are hard to follow.

    I would suggest pomegranate juice or pomegranates daily. Avoiding saturated
    fat and transfat. Other antioxidants from natural sources. Omega-3 fatty
    acids from both plant sources and fish oils.

    --
    Juhana
     
  3. Just Cocky

    Just Cocky Guest

    On 7 Jan 2006 01:43:13 -0800, "Skofeld" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >What is a good diet or supplements to reverse artery clog?
    >


    How do you know your arteries are "clogged"?
     
  4. Just Cocky

    Just Cocky Guest

    On 7 Jan 2006 01:43:13 -0800, "Skofeld" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >What is a good diet or supplements to reverse artery clog?
    >


    What are your levels of fibrinogen and C-reactive protein?
    Inflammation appears to be the culprit in "clogged" arteries. It would
    be important to know if these two inflammation makers are elevated or
    not before suggesting anything else.
     
  5. Just Cocky

    Just Cocky Guest

  6. dorsy1943

    dorsy1943 Guest

    The Pritikin Diet is less restrictive and has been documented as being
    extremely effective in lowering blood pressure, blood sugar, blood
    lipids, and probably also reverses plaque buildup in the arteries. It
    can be found on the internet.

    Dr. Ornish did a three month study of the effect of pomegranate juice
    on the arteries and found that in a short time it caused some reversal
    of plaque buildup. On the other hand the study was funded by Pom
    Wonderful (brand) pomegranate juice company so you have to decide if
    you want to try it. The amount in the study was one cup per day. It
    is expensive--9 dollars for 46 ounces at my supermarket. It is more
    expensive in the smaller bottles. It must be refrigerated and you can
    find it in the fruit and produce section of your super market.

    Pritikin, Ornish and others say that while exercise alone will not
    reverse plaque buildup, it causes collaterals to form, thus forming
    additional routes for the blood to travel--or something like that.

    I just read a book called "The China Study" by Colin Campbell and he
    claims that supplements have been found not to have the touted effect
    and that whole foods have combinations of nutrients that work together
    in ways the individual supplement does not. Is he right? I don't
    know.

    Dolores
     
  7. montygram

    montygram Guest

    Most likely, the person has a diet which is acting as a major oxidizing
    agent. Avoid oxidized cholesterol and foods that have that effect,
    such as any major source of unsaturated fatty acids (particularly the
    way "Westerners" cook). Search this group for montygram and read my
    dietary suggestions. I had an MRA done a couple years ago - no signs
    of any atherosclerotic buildup (age 41 now).
     
  8. Juhana Harju

    Juhana Harju Guest

    dorsy1943 wrote:
    : The Pritikin Diet is less restrictive and has been documented as being
    : extremely effective in lowering blood pressure, blood sugar, blood
    : lipids, and probably also reverses plaque buildup in the arteries.
    : It can be found on the internet.

    Good addition. I think that the Pritikin diet would work also, but I am not
    aware of any studies showing that it would reverse plaque formation.

    : Dr. Ornish did a three month study of the effect of pomegranate juice
    : on the arteries and found that in a short time it caused some reversal
    : of plaque buildup. On the other hand the study was funded by Pom
    : Wonderful (brand) pomegranate juice company so you have to decide if
    : you want to try it. The amount in the study was one cup per day. It
    : is expensive--9 dollars for 46 ounces at my supermarket. It is more
    : expensive in the smaller bottles. It must be refrigerated and you can
    : find it in the fruit and produce section of your super market.

    There are other and longer studies (up to three years) about pomegranate
    juice.

    : Pritikin, Ornish and others say that while exercise alone will not
    : reverse plaque buildup, it causes collaterals to form, thus forming
    : additional routes for the blood to travel--or something like that.
    :
    : I just read a book called "The China Study" by Colin Campbell and he
    : claims that supplements have been found not to have the touted effect
    : and that whole foods have combinations of nutrients that work together
    : in ways the individual supplement does not. Is he right? I don't
    : know.
    :
    : Dolores

    I have read The China Study, too. While I think that there is pretty
    impressive stuff in the book Campblell has a strong bias when it comes to
    certain things. I think that his basic approach to stress the importance of
    whole diet over supplements is correct, but he ends up denying the
    usefulness of supplements even when these have been shown to be beneficial.
    One example is that belittles the importance of omega-3 fatty acids.

    --
    Juhana
     
  9. montygram wrote:

    > Most likely, the person has a diet which is acting as a major oxidizing
    > agent. Avoid oxidized cholesterol and foods that have that effect,
    > such as any major source of unsaturated fatty acids (particularly the
    > way "Westerners" cook). Search this group for montygram and read my
    > dietary suggestions. I had an MRA done a couple years ago - no signs
    > of any atherosclerotic buildup (age 41 now).


    Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

    You have earned the title: Food Faddist!

    http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/faddism.html
    "Food Faddism is a dietary practice based upon an exaggerated belief in
    the effects of food or nutrition on health and disease.

    Food Faddism derives from these three beliefs:
    ....
    2. That certain foods should be eliminated from the diet because they
    are harmful.
    ....
    If you keep at it long enough, you will find that Food Faddism
    advocates have some type of abnormal condition.

    In Conclusion: Food Faddists have a right to be concerned about these
    issues. What is wrong with Food Faddism is their extremist position.
    >From the Natural Health PerspectiveTM good health is about achieving a

    proper balance in five areas: Diet, Nutritional Supplements, Exercise,
    Attitude, and Resilience. Food Faddism is NOT about taking a moderate
    approach. The lives of Food Faddists are out of balance due to their
    extremist positions that good health is ONLY about their pet issues."

    Yes, Search this group for montygram and read how he says that the
    consumption of fish and other PUFAs in your diet is the cause of every
    ailment known to man.
    --
    john gohde
    http://naturalhealthperspective.com/
     
  10. TC

    TC Guest

    So Ornish and Pritikin wrote books on diet and went out and did their
    own studies to show that their diets are effective. What else would
    their studies find, other than their books are the best thing since
    sliced bread? Better rush out there and buy their books. These guys are
    geniuses. Ot is it genii?

    Can you spell "conflict of interest"? "Self enrichment"? "Capitalism"?

    Gull - eeee - bull.

    TC

    dorsy1943 wrote:
    > The Pritikin Diet is less restrictive and has been documented as being
    > extremely effective in lowering blood pressure, blood sugar, blood
    > lipids, and probably also reverses plaque buildup in the arteries. It
    > can be found on the internet.
    >
    > Dr. Ornish did a three month study of the effect of pomegranate juice
    > on the arteries and found that in a short time it caused some reversal
    > of plaque buildup. On the other hand the study was funded by Pom
    > Wonderful (brand) pomegranate juice company so you have to decide if
    > you want to try it. The amount in the study was one cup per day. It
    > is expensive--9 dollars for 46 ounces at my supermarket. It is more
    > expensive in the smaller bottles. It must be refrigerated and you can
    > find it in the fruit and produce section of your super market.
    >
    > Pritikin, Ornish and others say that while exercise alone will not
    > reverse plaque buildup, it causes collaterals to form, thus forming
    > additional routes for the blood to travel--or something like that.
    >
    > I just read a book called "The China Study" by Colin Campbell and he
    > claims that supplements have been found not to have the touted effect
    > and that whole foods have combinations of nutrients that work together
    > in ways the individual supplement does not. Is he right? I don't
    > know.
    >
    > Dolores
     
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  12. Juhana Harju

    Juhana Harju Guest

    TC wrote:

    : So Ornish and Pritikin wrote books on diet and went out and did their
    : own studies to show that their diets are effective. What else would
    : their studies find, other than their books are the best thing since
    : sliced bread?

    Well, I know what your position is.

    : Better rush out there and buy their books. These guys
    : are geniuses. Ot is it genii?

    I am quite surprised that you recommend their books. LOL

    : Can you spell "conflict of interest"? "Self enrichment"? "Capitalism"?
    :
    : Gull - eeee - bull.

    It would be nice to see some real substance in your postings.

    --
    Juhana
     
  13. Doug Freese

    Doug Freese Guest

    "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > So Ornish and Pritikin wrote books on diet and went out and did their
    > own studies to show that their diets are effective. What else would
    > their studies find, other than their books are the best thing since
    > sliced bread? Better rush out there and buy their books. These guys
    > are
    > geniuses. Ot is it genii?
    >
    > Can you spell "conflict of interest"? "Self enrichment"? "Capitalism"?


    Can you spell Atkins? Talk about calling the kettle black.


    -DF
     
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