Review: Solidlights 1203d (long)



Quoting Tim McNamara <[email protected]>:
>[email protected] (Alan Braggins) wrote:
>>A dynamo system is harder to swap from bike to bike, and if you put
>>one on all your bikes the cost goes up further.

>It's easy to put a lamp on each bike and just swap the wheel


This is a lovely theory. One 700C bike. One 700C tandem with a big chunky
rim. One 16" bike. And now one 650B bike.

.... still well worth a SON apiece, but...
--
David Damerell <[email protected]> flcl?
Today is Potmos, September.
 
Quoting SMS <[email protected]>:
>M-gineering wrote:
>>Of course you /could/ Google on '12v/6w AND dynamo', but that wouldn't
>>be sporting

>Which would show you 12V/6W bottle dynamos. Sure the SON can be pushed
>to that at higher speeds,


As can the Shimano and S-A models. As you have been told _many times
before_. This isn't forgetfulness; you're just lying.

And while 10mph is technically higher, it's not exactly high.
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David Damerell <[email protected]> flcl?
Today is Potmos, September.
 
Quoting David Horwitt <[email protected]>:
>I don't understand your vehement, consistent denial of the fact that dynamo
>lights solve a problem for a large set of trsnaportational cyclists (of which
>I am one).


SMS used to sell MR16-based battery systems and presumably is considering
starting doing so again.
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Today is Potmos, September.
 
Quoting SMS <[email protected]>:
>There are so many half-truths and downright untruths that are taken as
>gospel by some dynamo advocates that I don't know where to start, but
>your statement is as good a place as any.


We've had one downright untruth in this thread so far; "It's too bad there
are no 12V/6W hub dynamos yet". That's completely untrue and you knew when
you wrote it it was completely untrue.
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David Damerell <[email protected]> flcl?
Today is Potmos, September.
 
David Damerell wrote:
> Quoting Tim McNamara <[email protected]>:
>> [email protected] (Alan Braggins) wrote:
>>> A dynamo system is harder to swap from bike to bike, and if you put
>>> one on all your bikes the cost goes up further.

>> It's easy to put a lamp on each bike and just swap the wheel

>
> This is a lovely theory. One 700C bike. One 700C tandem with a big chunky
> rim. One 16" bike. And now one 650B bike.
>
> ... still well worth a SON apiece, but...


wot David says... Even if the wheels are the same then, no thanks!
Undoing, redoing the connectors is going to be a bigger and dirtier faff
than moving a light/battery designed for easy removal/replacement. I
just really wouldn't want to go there.

One should acknowledge that Scharf manages to stumble across a genuine
point from time to time!

Pete.
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On Sep 12, 8:47 pm, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> Andy M-S wrote:
> > Generators, hub and/or bottle, are an excellent way to light the road;
> > but they've been handicapped by inefficient lights--incandescent
> > lights, including halogens, honestly work better with batteries. With
> > LEDs, generators come into their own, and no complex circuits are
> > needed to make things work.

>
> Yes, it seems that with the Solidlight, or equivalent homebrew LED you
> can finally get a decent amount of light with a dynamo system.
>
> What is the voltage out of the bridge rectifier? Do you use a capacitor
> to smooth the peaks or not bother? Are the LEDs regulated at all? There
> must be a series resistor either built in or external.
>
> The difficult issue with the high power LED lights is dissipating all
> the heat from the semiconductor junction. It's a common misconception
> that LED lights generate no heat, while in fact the high power LEDs
> generate significant amounts of heat.


The rectifier I'm using is rated at 400v, 1.5A--reasonably
conservative; it *might* eat itself if both LEDs shorted. But (A)
that's an unlikely failure mode, and (B) honestly, in that case, who
cares about the bridge? As long as the LEDs are working, all should
be well. I got the bridge here:

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-b..._AMP_400_PIV_FULL_WAVE_BRIDGE_RECTIFIER_.html

There are *no* other electronics. I do not use a capacitor; I played
with a 1F 5.5v goldcap across one of the LEDs, but the stand light
effect didn't last long enough, not was it bright enough, to seem to
me to be worth including the cap. Nor is any flicker apparent except
at what I consider unusually low speeds--and at that point, the
flicker is kind of nice to have as an attention-drawing device, and in
any event I'm nearly stationary and in be-seen rather than see-by mode
with regard to my lighting.

No resistor is used; the bridge provides a small amount of resistance,
since it's not a high-efficiency unit, but that's all. Remember that
these LEDs are rated to produce full output at around 700ma, which is
more than the (Shimano model '70) is able to produce. Fortunately,
LEDs are generally efficient devices and light up extremely well long
before you reach the rated current. My initial test runs with a
regulated bench supply knocked my socks off!

Heatsinking is simply not as big an issue as one might think. My
first K2 light was wired the same as the above, but with a single LED
housed in a section of steerer from a 1-1/8" threadless fork. From
someone else on the web, I got the idea of mounting the LED star to a
star-fangled nut (nice coincidence, eh?), via a small cylinder of
aluminum. This too was extremely bright, and flickered/died only at
about very low speeds indeed (probably because it was easier to
achieve a voltage at which the LED would light), However, I was very
concerned about heat, hence the nice heavy aluminum casing.

I do not know what the junction temperature was, but the casing only
ever grew very slightly warm--certainly nothing like the casing on a
5- or 10-watt halogen/reflector light. I suspect this was because (A)
being fed from a pulsing DC source (recitifier output) the duty cycle
of the LED was low, and (B) whenever the LED is energized, the bike
was moving and the case was exposed to moving, not static air, and so
cooling was not merely convection. Forced-air cooling, all the time.

For the second light, both LEDs are mounted via thermal epoxy to a
steel washer (the nice thing about the K2 star is that it is
electrically isolated, so I could do this and not worry about
insulation) which is mounted (again via thermal epoxy) to an old
aluminum bullet-light housing. Once the epoxy was set, it was
reinforced with silicon caulk. At the section of casing where the
washer meets it, the temperature immediately after stopping has never
been more than a fraction of a degree over that of, say, the fender
beneath. So, unscientifically, I'd say that the light stays
reasonably cool.

Both lights used lenses and lens holders like these:


http://www.luxeonstar.com/item.php?id=1777&link_str=327&partno=L2OP015
http://www.luxeonstar.com/item.php?id=1778&link_str=327&partno=L2OP025
http://www.luxeonstar.com/item.php?id=1782&link_str=327&partno=L2OHS35-WH

For the first light, I used a 15-degree lens, which was excellent (I
also played with a narrower one, which was OK, but I wasn't that
impressed). For the second light, I put on 15-degree and one wide-
angle lens to use; that allows me a beam as well as a widef spill of
light, both of which are useful for visiblity to traffic and for use
on unlighted trails (part of my daily commute takes me on a moderately
curvy 2 mile MUT across a well-treed and unlit marsh, far from any
artificial lighting, occasionally frequented by iPod-equipped joggers
who think solid black is a fashionable color and reflectors are for
wimps. I like being able to see them in advance.

Neither light was planned all that thoroughly, and I was quite willing
to accept burnt-out LEDs along the way. In fact, nothing like that
has happened, which leads me to suspect that. for bike-lighting
purposes, doing much more than treating one or two K2s and a bridge
just as you would a light bulb is a waste of time. As long as you
follow half-decent wiring practices and use a metal casing to provide
heat conductance to the moving air, you have a light that blows away
the competition.
 
On 13 Sep, 03:24, Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>
>
>
> CoyoteBoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 12 Sep, 13:17, Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In article <[email protected]>,

>
> > > CoyoteBoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On 12 Sep, 05:12, Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > > > > Good grief, what a blessed nuisance to have to carry four sets
> > > > > of batteries and swap them out every two hours. Why not just
> > > > > use a generator system?

>
> > > > I have no issues carrying extra batteries and swapping them. I'd
> > > > like a dynamo but they dont do 40w 12v ones for less than the
> > > > price of my lights and several sets of fairly lightweight
> > > > batteries so it just isnt sensible.

>
> > > Why the *********** do you think you need a 12V 40W lighting system
> > > on a bike? Unless you have night blindness that is major overkill.
> > > 10W lights are already bright enough to screw up your vision at
> > > night, 40W would just be much worse.

>
> > At 30-40mph off-road with jumps I like being able to see. It screws
> > up other peoples night sight, sure, but they all crowd in behind me
> > on descents so they can see better :)

>
> Testosterone poisoning must adversely affect one's eyesight.


:) lol I tend to do fairly short rides on fast trails, climb forever
on a 3w head torch and then switch on the fun lights for all-out
pedaling on the way back. Its not common to reach 30+ but I'd rather
have enough light to let me do that than have to go slow because i
cant see enough. Even so it catches me out sometimes lol. I've heard
wearing red-filter sunglasses can help a lot though, as the night-
sight chemicals in your eyes are not bleached by red light as much.
Might be worth a try.
 
In article <[email protected]>, Peter Clinch wrote:
>David Damerell wrote:
>> Quoting Tim McNamara <[email protected]>:
>>> [email protected] (Alan Braggins) wrote:
>>>> A dynamo system is harder to swap from bike to bike, and if you put
>>>> one on all your bikes the cost goes up further.
>>> It's easy to put a lamp on each bike and just swap the wheel

>>
>> This is a lovely theory. One 700C bike. One 700C tandem with a big chunky
>> rim. One 16" bike. And now one 650B bike.
>>
>> ... still well worth a SON apiece, but...

>
>wot David says... Even if the wheels are the same then, no thanks!
>Undoing, redoing the connectors is going to be a bigger and dirtier faff
>than moving a light/battery designed for easy removal/replacement. I
>just really wouldn't want to go there.


If you were making a habit of this, you could probably add connectors
that made it easier. But generally people with multiple bikes do have
them for different purposes, which does often mean different tyres and
wheels. (And even when one's a spare of the same type, "let's go to the
pub, you can borrow my spare bike - but I've only got one set of lights
between them", doesn't work too well, battery or dynamo.)


>One should acknowledge that Scharf manages to stumble across a genuine
>point from time to time!


Not necessarily. The "easier to swap" point might be genuine, but it came
from Luke <[email protected]>, not Scharf.
 
On Sep 13, 5:24 am, Andy M-S <[email protected]> wrote:

.... technical details of his homebrew LED generator light.

Andy, thanks for a couple of great posts. I've been planning to try a
similar scheme, but I was lazily waiting for someone else to take the
initiative and do the trial and error. And you've done that for me.

I've saved your posts, and hope to try a similar project this winter.

- Frank Krygowski
 
On Sep 13, 4:16 am, Peter Clinch <[email protected]> wrote:
> David Damerell wrote:
> > Quoting Tim McNamara <[email protected]>:
> >> [email protected] (Alan Braggins) wrote:
> >>> A dynamo system is harder to swap from bike to bike, and if you put
> >>> one on all your bikes the cost goes up further.
> >> It's easy to put a lamp on each bike and just swap the wheel

>
> > This is a lovely theory. One 700C bike. One 700C tandem with a big chunky
> > rim. One 16" bike. And now one 650B bike.

>
> > ... still well worth a SON apiece, but...

>
> wot David says... Even if the wheels are the same then, no thanks!
> Undoing, redoing the connectors is going to be a bigger and dirtier faff
> than moving a light/battery designed for easy removal/replacement. I
> just really wouldn't want to go there.


Huh? Connecting and disconnecting the wires on a hub light is about 5
seconds. If this is the best argument you can come up with, you lose.

Now, putting a separate light on each bike and switching the generator
wheel is also not practical for those of us who like quality generator
produced light. Quality means Schmidt E6 lights or those Solidlights
if they are as good or better. The E6 is $105. Plus $15 for the
mounting bracket. Plus $10 for the fork mount. $130 of extra lights
on each bike you want to switch the generator to. Sort of hard to
justify. So I have one bike I use for night riding. Works fine.





>
> One should acknowledge that Scharf manages to stumble across a genuine
> point from time to time!
>
> Pete.
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David Damerell wrote:
> Quoting David Horwitt <[email protected]>:
>> I don't understand your vehement, consistent denial of the fact that dynamo
>> lights solve a problem for a large set of trsnaportational cyclists (of which
>> I am one).

>
> SMS used to sell MR16-based battery systems and presumably is considering
> starting doing so again.


I have never sold MR-16 based systems, nor do I have plans to.

In the 1980's I sold lead-acid systems with 14W sealed beams or 35W
non-sealed beams.

All these desperate lies. Do you guys stay up nights thinking up this ****?
 
[email protected] wrote:

> Huh? Connecting and disconnecting the wires on a hub light is about 5
> seconds. If this is the best argument you can come up with, you lose.


Plus the fiddle of moving the wheel over, manoeuvring it through the
brakes etc. 5 seconds? Yeah, right... and your hands will stay clean
too, no doubt...

> Now, putting a separate light on each bike and switching the generator
> wheel is also not practical for those of us who like quality generator
> produced light.


I find just running more than one hub and one light works. Not cheap,
but then nor are the rest of the bikes they're attached to. Hey ho.
Still sooner pay the money than prat around with charging batteries all
the time...

Pete.
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Peter Clinch wrote:
> David Damerell wrote:
>> Quoting Tim McNamara <[email protected]>:
>>> [email protected] (Alan Braggins) wrote:
>>>> A dynamo system is harder to swap from bike to bike, and if you put
>>>> one on all your bikes the cost goes up further.
>>> It's easy to put a lamp on each bike and just swap the wheel

>> This is a lovely theory. One 700C bike. One 700C tandem with a big chunky
>> rim. One 16" bike. And now one 650B bike.
>>
>> ... still well worth a SON apiece, but...

>
> wot David says... Even if the wheels are the same then, no thanks!
> Undoing, redoing the connectors is going to be a bigger and dirtier faff
> than moving a light/battery designed for easy removal/replacement. I
> just really wouldn't want to go there.
>
> One should acknowledge that Scharf manages to stumble across a genuine
> point from time to time!


Thanks...I think. While all bikes in a fleet are necessarily used at
night very often, I personally like to at least take along a Twofish
LockBlock and a powerful small flashlight in case I get caught out at
night unexpectedly. Earlier this year we did a 25 mile ride along a
local trail and taking too long for lunch we ended up out after dark. We
all had lights along in our packs, and it was an enjoyable night ride.
To put dynamo hubs on all those bikes would have been prohibitively
expensive.

What I'm dismayed (and somewhat amused) to see is all the
rationalizations that are constantly being put forth on this subject.
From stupid statements about only needing high illumination on
downhills (where your speed is fast enough for sufficient power from a
hub dynamo) to the incorrect statements about optics. I'm sure that in
reality none of the people making these statements are actually naive
enough to believe them, they just desperately thrash around looking for
any excuse. Meanwhile, the rest of the world moves on and tries to
promote night riding with technology that makes it safer.

For my Dahon folder, which I use extensively at night, I am planning to
purchase the wheel with the hub dynamo, and the excellent light that
Dahon is remarketing with a low wattage bulb suitable for dynamo use.
But it isn't going to cost $300!
 
David Damerell wrote:
> Quoting Tim McNamara <[email protected]>:
>> [email protected] (Alan Braggins) wrote:
>>> A dynamo system is harder to swap from bike to bike, and if you put
>>> one on all your bikes the cost goes up further.

>> It's easy to put a lamp on each bike and just swap the wheel

>
> This is a lovely theory. One 700C bike. One 700C tandem with a big chunky
> rim. One 16" bike. And now one 650B bike.
>
> ... still well worth a SON apiece, but...


Just ensure that all the wheels can use the same hub, and rebuild the
wheel each time you need to be on a different bike. I'm waiting for Tim
to come up with that suggestion!
 
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:09:40 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I find just running more than one hub and one light works. Not cheap,
>but then nor are the rest of the bikes they're attached to. Hey ho.
>Still sooner pay the money than prat around with charging batteries all
>the time...


AAMOI how much night riding do you do? My old Lumicycle set seems to
only need charging once in a blue moon, but then I'm only running it
at 10W for fifteen minutes at a time a couple of time a week. As such,
the extra effort of plugging it into the charger (doesn't need
removing from bike) is no big deal at all.

But for that matter, even when I was using it a lot more (cycling 20
miles to work every day, summer & winter) I'd just make sure the
charger was in a convenient place in the garage and plug it in
overnight. Which is why I've never even considered, and still
wouldn't, a dynamo-based system.


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Quoting SMS <[email protected]>:
>David Damerell wrote:
>>SMS used to sell MR16-based battery systems and presumably is considering
>>starting doing so again.

>I have never sold MR-16 based systems, nor do I have plans to.
>In the 1980's I sold lead-acid systems with 14W sealed beams or 35W
>non-sealed beams.


Mere words cannot convey the deep sorrow I feel at getting the precise
kind of battery system you're a shill for wrong. But - if it's been 20
years, maybe you can stop being a salesman now?

>All these desperate lies.


You mean like the desperate lie where you've never heard of a 6W hub
dynamo setup?
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Today is Potmos, September.
 
Alan Braggins wrote:

> I've only tried the Solidlights 1103. It is a symmetrical beam, not shaped
> like a Lumotec or similar, but certainly no worse than many MR-11 based
> halogen lights. (The 1103 was not putting as much useful light on the
> road as my cheap 10W halogen when the halogen battery pack was fully charged,
> but not wasting anything like as much splashed around. An hour later, the
> unregulated halogen was putting less light on the road.)
> The 1203 will be brighter at full power (two LEDs, not one), but I wouldn't
> have thought it was excessive if reasonably aimed.


There's a misunderstanding, apparently among at least a couple of
people, that the optics of the typical light used with dynamo systems is
some wonder of technology that creates more light than other systems.

In fact, these lamps are specifically designed as a compromise solution.
From the photos, the Solidlight does not need to make those compromises
and provides a beam with both sufficient spread and sufficient spot beam.

As Marty Goodman wrote, in the _History of Electric Lighting Technology_
"With vastly more light available, night bicycling is qualitatively far
safer. The road can be lit both further ahead and, even more important,
far more brightly to the sides of the bicycle."

As to the MR16, the big advantage of this type of lamp, and the reason
it is so widely used (along with the MR11) in bicycle lamps, is because
of the precision matched reflector and the precise positioning of the
bulb inside the reflector. With a precise beam, less light is wasted. On
a dual lamp system, with spot and flood beams, you can illuminate both
far ahead of the bicycle, and out to the sides. I'm sure Frank will
start up with his usual mindless comments about "decorator lamps" but in
fact the MR lamps are used in a wide variety of scientific, consumer,
and commercial products because of their efficiency.

To me personally, the biggest advantage of using good lights is that I
can ride home from work at a much faster speed than I could with dynamo
lights (which I do own). The reason for this is because with low power
lights, drivers do not yield to bicyclists nearly as much. They expect
the bicycle to be traveling at a low speed, 5-10 mph. They cut you off
at traffic lights (turning left in front of you), they go through stop
signs (thinking they have plenty of time), and they exit from parking
lots and driveways directly in your path. With higher power lights (and
I'm not talking about megawatts) there is a huge change in their
behavior. The whole world is not like Amsterdam.
 
SMS wrote:

> Thanks...I think. While all bikes in a fleet are necessarily used at
> night very often, I personally like to at least take along a Twofish
> LockBlock and a powerful small flashlight in case I get caught out at
> night unexpectedly. Earlier this year we did a 25 mile ride along a
> local trail and taking too long for lunch we ended up out after dark. We
> all had lights along in our packs, and it was an enjoyable night ride.
> To put dynamo hubs on all those bikes would have been prohibitively
> expensive.


Compared to the cost of a serious bike the cost of a reasonable dynohub
like the Shimano 271 is really not very much.

> What I'm dismayed (and somewhat amused) to see is all the
> rationalizations that are constantly being put forth on this subject.


What dismays me is that you're too dumb to realise that however much you
say battery lights are much better the numerous real world examples of
folk who have found the contrary just will *not* work their way through.

How many times do I have to point out that I switched *from* the sort of
setup you advocate *to* a dynamo setup I /did not need to buy/, and have
subsequently bought more dynamo units as I find them superior for my
needs? Is that really a "rationalisation"? Sounds to me like you're
rationalising yourself.

> From stupid statements about only needing high illumination on downhills


Why is that stupid? What I find is that my dynamo hub system (which is
just running a single lamp) provides perfectly adequate illumination in
all instances for road use except very high speed downhills. I just
slow up a little to compensate, but that's the only time I encounter a
limit. So based on *real, actual experinece* it isn't stupid at all.

> I'm sure that in reality none
> of the people making these statements are actually naive enough to
> believe them, they just desperately thrash around looking for any
> excuse. Meanwhile, the rest of the world moves on and tries to promote
> night riding with technology that makes it safer.


But since I don't have any problems with my existing system, and have
indeed moved to it voluntarily and at considerable cost from the sort
you assure me is better and safer, quite why I need to be "safer", when
it involves lots of battery charging I don't want to do (which in turn
compromises safety by introducing more possibility of human error) is
lost on me, and on others too.

Pete.
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Ace wrote:

> AAMOI how much night riding do you do? My old Lumicycle set seems to
> only need charging once in a blue moon, but then I'm only running it
> at 10W for fifteen minutes at a time a couple of time a week. As such,
> the extra effort of plugging it into the charger (doesn't need
> removing from bike) is no big deal at all.


I live at 56 North. Which means I hardly use lights at all in summer,
but in winter it's more often than not.

I'm not saying charging lights is a "big deal", just it's a deal I'd
rather not deal with. Just as washing up isn't a big deal, but I'm
happier for a dish-washer to do it for me.

> But for that matter, even when I was using it a lot more (cycling 20
> miles to work every day, summer & winter) I'd just make sure the
> charger was in a convenient place in the garage and plug it in
> overnight. Which is why I've never even considered, and still
> wouldn't, a dynamo-based system.


I just like knowing I have my lights at the ready any time I get on my
bike. I don't have to go out of my way to take them with me, carry them
around when I'm away from the bike, and I don't ever have to worry about
them running out of charge or forgetting to charge them. If you're
happy with your rechargeables then it makes a lot of sense to stick with
them, but I just prefer not to bother with the extra work involved, even
as minor as I'm happy to acknowledge it is.

Different folk, different mileages. But Scharf can't see that AFAICT,
he just appears to assume dynamo users are self-deluding luddites who
refuse to use an objectively better system, where in actuality they're
typically people who find dynamos work better for them than rechargeable
systems, for whatever genuine practical reasons.

Pete.
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:35:57 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>With higher power lights (and
>I'm not talking about megawatts) there is a huge change in their
>behavior.


I'd agree with that, and also add that with a twin-lamp setup there's
a tendency to make the driver wonder, however briefly, if the oncoming
lights belong to a car, motorcycle, or scooter. If they're bright and
slightly badly adjusted[1], this uncertainty can be made to last a
couple of second, during which the driver is preparing for a
faster-moving vehicle (i.e. me, rather than someone toddling along at
5mph).

[1] Not that I'd ever deliberately blind oncoming drivers who refuse
to dip their lights, oh no, not ever.

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