Ride an SUB not an SUV



On Apr 9, 9:40 pm, "di" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Lions and monkeys don't want the same. Lions dream of big and pompous.
> > Monkeys are more into practical, fun things like bikes, motorcycles
> > and EVs. And they are beautiful, just not pompous.

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> > The only areawhere you are #1 is in ribbons...

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> >http://blogorelli.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ribbons.gif

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> This doesn't make any sense at all to me, I guess you need to explain it.
> But then again, not much you ever say makes much sense.


So many bumper stickers and ribbons on SUVs... I guess they want to
show their support for the troops but keep burning gas like supporting
terrorism. Or perhaps they just want to hide the latter fact. Anyway,
this their latest bumper sticker...

http://www.toppun.com/ProductImages/religious-spiritual/What-SUV-Would-Jesus-Drive_small.gif
 
"So defined, I repeat, freedom means concretely freedoms of various
kinds, which may be at least roughly specified. Among the most
fundamental is political freedom, involving some means of control of
rulers by the ruled, some protection of the individual against
government by legal rights or civil liberties."

<<<<<,

and we all know how well that worked out. Sorry could not resist
 
You mean freedom to kill ourselves on a bicycle is at least democracy.

Drivers have a superiority complex. They will never be motivated to govern
themselves for the good of the people. Sad note eh! : (
 
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> >> >> >> > Do stay on track - the issue is whether we spend hundreds of
> >> >> >> > billions
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > dollars on Iraqi's or whether we spend a tenth of that on our

own
> >> >> > people.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > (and yes, there are reports that elections are not particularly

> > fair
> >> > in
> >> >> >> > LA.)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Then why did you bring up your feeling that the people of

Louisiana
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> somehow downtrodden in a way that Mississippians aren't?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Your question is nonsensical.
> >> >>
> >> >> Obviously you don't have an answer then.
> >> >>
> >> > No, your question is nonsensical in this context. Your question

might
> > be
> >> > more appropriate in context with the US Attorneys firings that are in

> > the
> >> > news.
> >>
> >> I see you've learned one of George Conklin's less admirable

> > techniques...If
> >> someone disagrees with you or questions you further, declare the
> >> comment/question irrelevant, drivel, or nonsensical. Nice :)
> >>

> > Then suppose you detail that relevance for us?

>
> That's what I was asking you to do.
>

Let's see - you want *me* to explain the relelavance of *your* response?!
That's the sort of thing Conklin does.
 
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"george conklin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> That's for sure. From a man whose job used to be cutting down our
> forests,


What do you gain from lies like this, georgie porgie? You've been told
again and again that I've not cut a single tree in any of our forests.

>but seems unemployed now.
>

I'm supposed to be retired - but I have my own company and am working harder
than ever -- or at least it seems that way. Next time you get nailed by one
of those radar speed signs, think of me.
 
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>> >> >> >> > Do stay on track - the issue is whether we spend hundreds of
>> >> >> >> > billions
>> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> > dollars on Iraqi's or whether we spend a tenth of that on our

> own
>> >> >> > people.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > (and yes, there are reports that elections are not
>> >> >> >> > particularly
>> > fair
>> >> > in
>> >> >> >> > LA.)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Then why did you bring up your feeling that the people of

> Louisiana
>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> somehow downtrodden in a way that Mississippians aren't?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Your question is nonsensical.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Obviously you don't have an answer then.
>> >> >>
>> >> > No, your question is nonsensical in this context. Your question

> might
>> > be
>> >> > more appropriate in context with the US Attorneys firings that are
>> >> > in
>> > the
>> >> > news.
>> >>
>> >> I see you've learned one of George Conklin's less admirable
>> > techniques...If
>> >> someone disagrees with you or questions you further, declare the
>> >> comment/question irrelevant, drivel, or nonsensical. Nice :)
>> >>
>> > Then suppose you detail that relevance for us?

>>
>> That's what I was asking you to do.
>>

> Let's see - you want *me* to explain the relelavance of *your* response?!
> That's the sort of thing Conklin does.


No, I want you to explain why you think your feeling that the people of New
Orleans are somehow uniquely downtrodden has anything to do with the topic
of this threat or even this forum as a whole. And as an aside, do you have
any direct experience of the area that was hit by Katrina to base your
reaction on?
 
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"Matthew T. Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Fantasy. Utter fantasy. Remove the US occupation and you still have left
> every grudge, every grievance, every complaint that one Iraqi group
> has against another, not to mention the complaints they have with
> Iraq's neighbors (and Iraq's neighbors likely ambitions in Iraq). The
> idea that Iraq is filled with reasonable people turned to radicalism
> by the US occupation is simply a fairy tale.


Leave them to work out their own problems. Or do you think we should be a
Nanny State?
 
On Apr 12, 4:12 pm, "donquijote1954" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Apr 9, 9:40 pm, "di" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message

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> > > Lions and monkeys don't want the same. Lions dream of big and pompous.
> > > Monkeys are more into practical, fun things like bikes, motorcycles
> > > and EVs. And they are beautiful, just not pompous.

>
> > > The only areawhere you are #1 is in ribbons...

>
> > >http://blogorelli.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ribbons.gif

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> > This doesn't make any sense at all to me, I guess you need to explain it.
> > But then again, not much you ever say makes much sense.

>
> So many bumper stickers and ribbons on SUVs... I guess they want to
> show their support for the troops but keep burning gas like supporting
> terrorism. Or perhaps they just want to hide the latter fact. Anyway,
> this their latest bumper sticker...
>
> http://www.toppun.com/ProductImages/religious-spiritual/What-SUV-Woul...



I saw a cool one last week. It was one of thiese bumper stickers:
http://www.goats.com/store/rfv.html
It was, obviously, on a Subaru.
 
"Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Apr 12, 4:12 pm, "donquijote1954" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On Apr 9, 9:40 pm, "di" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> > "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message

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>> > > Lions and monkeys don't want the same. Lions dream of big and
>> > > pompous.
>> > > Monkeys are more into practical, fun things like bikes, motorcycles
>> > > and EVs. And they are beautiful, just not pompous.

>>
>> > > The only areawhere you are #1 is in ribbons...

>>
>> > >http://blogorelli.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ribbons.gif

>>
>> > This doesn't make any sense at all to me, I guess you need to explain
>> > it.
>> > But then again, not much you ever say makes much sense.

>>
>> So many bumper stickers and ribbons on SUVs... I guess they want to
>> show their support for the troops but keep burning gas like supporting
>> terrorism. Or perhaps they just want to hide the latter fact. Anyway,
>> this their latest bumper sticker...
>>
>> http://www.toppun.com/ProductImages/religious-spiritual/What-SUV-Woul...

>
>
> I saw a cool one last week. It was one of thiese bumper stickers:
> http://www.goats.com/store/rfv.html
> It was, obviously, on a Subaru.


That's plain silly. Republicans don't even let their children watch Harry
Potter, because they believe it might lead them to believe in magic.
 
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:28:57 -0700, "Baxter"
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>"Matthew T. Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Fantasy. Utter fantasy. Remove the US occupation and you still have left
>> every grudge, every grievance, every complaint that one Iraqi group
>> has against another, not to mention the complaints they have with
>> Iraq's neighbors (and Iraq's neighbors likely ambitions in Iraq). The
>> idea that Iraq is filled with reasonable people turned to radicalism
>> by the US occupation is simply a fairy tale.

>
>Leave them to work out their own problems. Or do you think we should be a
>Nanny State?
>


See, only the US is full of compassionate peaceful folks. Everyone one
else is hateful and cruel. They need us to keep them from fighting
each other. The good old White Man's Burden.

There was never any plan nor intention to leave. That is the bottom
line.
 
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:56:11 -0500, [email protected]
(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>dgk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:14:56 -0500, [email protected]
>>(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
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>>>
>>>Another one believing in the fantasy of Iraq being filled with a bunch
>>>of reasonable groups with reasonable aims who are only engaging in
>>>violence because of the bad old United States.

>>
>>Most folks around the world want only two things, a place to live and
>>a job. Islam, for the most part, is a peaceful religion. Extremists
>>exist in all types of religions and exploit them for their own
>>agendas. Remove the US occupation and the extremists will be on the
>>outs.

>
>Fantasy. Utter fantasy. Remove the US occupation and you still have left
>every grudge, every grievance, every complaint that one Iraqi group
>has against another, not to mention the complaints they have with
>Iraq's neighbors (and Iraq's neighbors likely ambitions in Iraq). The
>idea that Iraq is filled with reasonable people turned to radicalism
>by the US occupation is simply a fairy tale.
>
>>Look at Iran. Before we invaded Iraq, the mullahs were clinging to
>>power and there were large pro-western demonstrations. As soon as we
>>invaded, the mullahs were firmly back in power.

>
>Before we invaded Iraq, the mullahs in Iran had been in power for many
>years, and they still remain so. They were never in any danger of
>being ousted.



I repeat Matthew, what was the Iraq invasion all about? Come on, you
know.

And you are wrong about Iran. The mullahs were losing their grip on
power. Our invasion of Iraq ended that, for the short term.
 
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:28:01 -0400, dgk <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:28:57 -0700, "Baxter"
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>> "Matthew T. Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> Fantasy. Utter fantasy. Remove the US occupation and you still have
>>> left
>>> every grudge, every grievance, every complaint that one Iraqi group
>>> has against another, not to mention the complaints they have with
>>> Iraq's neighbors (and Iraq's neighbors likely ambitions in Iraq). The
>>> idea that Iraq is filled with reasonable people turned to radicalism
>>> by the US occupation is simply a fairy tale.

>>
>> Leave them to work out their own problems. Or do you think we should
>> be a
>> Nanny State?
>>

>
> See, only the US is full of compassionate peaceful folks. Everyone one
> else is hateful and cruel. They need us to keep them from fighting
> each other. The good old White Man's Burden.
>
> There was never any plan nor intention to leave. That is the bottom
> line.


Although I think we're wrong to be in Iraq, even I think there was a plan
to leave one day.

--
Bob in CT
 
On Apr 13, 12:21 am, "Pat" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 4:12 pm, "donquijote1954" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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> > On Apr 9, 9:40 pm, "di" <[email protected]> wrote:

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> > > "donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message

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> > >news:[email protected]...

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> > > > Lions and monkeys don't want the same. Lions dream of big and pompous.
> > > > Monkeys are more into practical, fun things like bikes, motorcycles
> > > > and EVs. And they are beautiful, just not pompous.

>
> > > > The only areawhere you are #1 is in ribbons...

>
> > > >http://blogorelli.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ribbons.gif

>
> > > This doesn't make any sense at all to me, I guess you need to explain it.
> > > But then again, not much you ever say makes much sense.

>
> > So many bumper stickers and ribbons on SUVs... I guess they want to
> > show their support for the troops but keep burning gas like supporting
> > terrorism. Or perhaps they just want to hide the latter fact. Anyway,
> > this their latest bumper sticker...

>
> >http://www.toppun.com/ProductImages/religious-spiritual/What-SUV-Woul...

>
> I saw a cool one last week. It was one of thiese bumper stickers:http://www.goats.com/store/rfv.html
> It was, obviously, on a Subaru.-


Sorry but couldn't find that one. Only found this... "Jesus Loves
****" Sticker, but I guess you can put "Republicans Love ****" and
still makes sense.
 
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me how your gonna recharge them.

Either look at the bigger picture, or go back to jousting with your
SUV Windmill.--

As a matter of fact, windmills are a good solution --in some cases.
And in some other cases is the bike, and then public transportation
and so on. So the solution is MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION combined with
MULTIMODAL ENERGY, meaning options like the Ethanol or Hydrogen
fuels...

What we need though is the POLITICAL WILL --or THE REVOLUTION-- to
make it happen.

"Global warming may or may not be the great environmental crisis of
the next century, but -- regardless of whether it is or isn't -- we
won't do much about it. We will (I am sure) argue ferociously over it
and may even, as a nation, make some fairly solemn-sounding
commitments to avoid it. But the more dramatic and meaningful these
commitments seem, the less likely they are to be observed. Little will
be done. . . . Global warming promises to become a gushing source of
national hypocrisy.''

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400789.html
 
--show me a car that a poor person can afford today that is fuel
efficient and clean--

The bike, public transportation, car pooling, car sharing... they all
are available cheap options to the public. However because they are
just plain dangerous (the bike) or never spoken about, they are out of
mind for most folks. A good campaign may start by putting bin Laden on
the passenger seat...

"The terrorists who attacked America weren't being funded primarily by
drug money. They were being funded primarily by oil money. In other
words, it isn't the drug addicts who should feel guilty. It's the
gasoline addicts."

(some info here for those who want to start THE REVOLUTION)

So you say you want a revolution? Well, we all want to change the
world. So what? Quit *****ing and moaning, quit bellyaching, and get
off your duff. There is no way to change the world by sitting on your
ass in an air conditioned room, even if you listen to nothing but
early Dylan and read nothing but Hunter Thompson. You can't change the
world unless you change yourself first. As Gandhi used to say, "Be the
change you want to see in the world".

http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/GlobalWarning/1054.html

MORE OPTIONS HERE...
http://www.mycommute.org/site/options
 
On 13 Apr 2007 11:27:43 -0700, "donquijote1954"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>As a matter of fact, windmills are a good solution --in some cases.


Windmills are a good supplement. In the U.S. with tax breaks and
setasides, even the oil companies are buying lots, but its a huge
investment and it doesn't add up to much as a percentage of the power
needed and in the windiest areas they aren't reliable enough to
support even a small grid on their own. Windmills are not a solution.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
 
"donquijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "The terrorists who attacked America weren't being funded primarily by
> drug money. They were being funded primarily by oil money. In other
> words, it isn't the drug addicts who should feel guilty. It's the
> gasoline addicts."
>


So where did this "oil money" come from? Before you answer, be careful,
you about to justify the Iraq War.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Baxter <[email protected]> wrote:
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>"Matthew T. Russotto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
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>> Fantasy. Utter fantasy. Remove the US occupation and you still have left
>> every grudge, every grievance, every complaint that one Iraqi group
>> has against another, not to mention the complaints they have with
>> Iraq's neighbors (and Iraq's neighbors likely ambitions in Iraq). The
>> idea that Iraq is filled with reasonable people turned to radicalism
>> by the US occupation is simply a fairy tale.

>
>Leave them to work out their own problems. Or do you think we should be a
>Nanny State?


Oh, no, I agree that the US should withdraw. I simply disagree about
the outcome of that withdrawal.


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Amy Blankenship <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>That's plain silly. Republicans don't even let their children watch Harry
>Potter, because they believe it might lead them to believe in magic.


Nonsense. There are many enlightened Republicans who have no problem
with magic. THEY don't allow their children to watch Harry Potter
because the Malfoys hit a little too close to home.



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In article <[email protected]>,
dgk <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:56:11 -0500, [email protected]
>(Matthew T. Russotto) wrote:
>>
>>Fantasy. Utter fantasy. Remove the US occupation and you still have left
>>every grudge, every grievance, every complaint that one Iraqi group
>>has against another, not to mention the complaints they have with
>>Iraq's neighbors (and Iraq's neighbors likely ambitions in Iraq). The
>>idea that Iraq is filled with reasonable people turned to radicalism
>>by the US occupation is simply a fairy tale.
>>
>>>Look at Iran. Before we invaded Iraq, the mullahs were clinging to
>>>power and there were large pro-western demonstrations. As soon as we
>>>invaded, the mullahs were firmly back in power.

>>
>>Before we invaded Iraq, the mullahs in Iran had been in power for many
>>years, and they still remain so. They were never in any danger of
>>being ousted.

>
>
>I repeat Matthew, what was the Iraq invasion all about? Come on, you
>know.


Actually, I don't. It wasn't about oil, or at least not in the
obvious way. The fact that Saddam took a shot at Bush's daddy
probably had something to do with it.

>And you are wrong about Iran. The mullahs were losing their grip on
>power. Our invasion of Iraq ended that, for the short term.


The mullahs have supposedly been losing their grip since the joke "The
Ayatollah Khomeni thanks you on behalf of the moderates in Iran" was
current, during the Reagan era. All wishful thinking.

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