His original inclusion was because of the "podiums" and the hype presented before he missed the top steps each of those times, and the time he didn't.Wayne666 said:Last year was the first time Simoni didn't finish on the podium, and he finished 4th, since '98 excepting the year he crashed out (2002). He won the Giro twice (2001 and 2003) and was second in 2005.
Other than Armstrong and perhaps Ullrich he has probably more GT success (7 podiums including two wins) in the last decade than any other rider, so I think retracting his inclusion was wise.
Plus, I quite like him as a cyclist.Wayne666 said:Last year was the first time Simoni didn't finish on the podium, and he finished 4th, since '98 excepting the year he crashed out (2002). He won the Giro twice (2001 and 2003) and was second in 2005.
Other than Armstrong and perhaps Ullrich he has probably more GT success (7 podiums including two wins) in the last decade than any other rider, so I think retracting his inclusion was wise.
classic1 said:Fons De Wolf
Danny Willems
Pascal Lino
Mirko Gualdi
Roberto Caruso
Jean-Phillipe Dowja
Greg Oravetz
Michel Zanoli
Brian Walton
Alexi Grewal
Allan Peiper
Phillip Bouvatier
Jay Sweet
Dimitri Konyshev
Jean-Luc Vandenbrouke
Did Thurau
Bradley Wiggins
he won about 3 in season 2003, when he won Tour of Belgium, Tour of Holland, and the last incarnation of Tour of Germany, all on the back of making either the decisive break, and just enforcing the advantage in the TT. Think Criterium International.El Loto said:Igor Astarloa
I'd say Mick Rogers to a certain extent too. Has he ever won a TT that wasn't a World Championship?
Eddy Planckaert said he was the most talented 18 yo he had ever seen.limerickman said:Lino - definitely.
Peiper? Was there much hype about Allan??
I can't recall any great fanfare for him.
Mcgee?classic1 said:Fons De Wolf
Danny Willems
Pascal Lino
Mirko Gualdi
Roberto Caruso
Jean-Phillipe Dowja
Greg Oravetz
Michel Zanoli
Brian Walton
Alexi Grewal
Allan Peiper
Phillip Bouvatier
Jay Sweet
Dimitri Konyshev
Jean-Luc Vandenbrouke
Did Thurau
Bradley Wiggins
thunder said:he won about 3 in season 2003, when he won Tour of Belgium, Tour of Holland, and the last incarnation of Tour of Germany, all on the back of making either the decisive break, and just enforcing the advantage in the TT. Think Criterium International.
May not have been those 3 Tours in particular. Was definitely Germany, when the race was only a 2.1 type classification. Not at the level it is since 3 Deutschland Tours ago.
How about this one,
Jamie Burrow. Englishman. Beat Pantani's climbing record on atleast one Tour de France climb when racing in espoirs, and in the same espoir tour, he beat the world espoir tt champion Thor Hushovd in the tt. About 99.
Spent 2 years at USPS, in 2000 and 2001. Obviously, the doping regime does not extend to first year pros, unless they are in the leadup races to the Tour.
That guy could have been anything, if he had the same doping logistic network behind him in the Pros that he obviously had providing him with his gear as an espoir.
Still rides for either and Italian or eastern European team, racing in Italy and Slovenia, and Slovakia and those new emerging cycling states. Never progressed. Regressedm, because of dope, lack of, and then all the complications of trying to live life as a pro on 10 grand a year, and making do. Does not help in training, nutrition, recovery, living, shopping groceries etc. And buying dope.
So, Jamie Burrow, perfect example, MULE > RACEHORSE, avec dopage.
no, I would not consider the possibility he was clean, as he beat Pantani's records.Gregers said:Jamie Burrow-that's a really interesting call. He's very much the forgotten man, even here in the UK. As a former U 23 World no.1 he clearly had some pedigree. Only had a season or so with USPRO before being released-supposedly on injury and illness grounds.
Despite riding with Micky Mouse outfits he continued to be capable of mixing it with the top guys. But here's the thing, he never got another offer from a ProTour outfit, not even as low paid pack fodder. I'm only guessing, but could it be that it got around that he wouldn't play the game?
What thunder said. Peiper was an absolute freak junior. Best junior in Belgium by a mile. Used to kick Lemonds ****, thats how good he was. Then he got sick and although he was still good he never came back to the same level.limerickman said:Peiper? Was there much hype about Allan??
I can't recall any great fanfare for him.
For these guys, maybe in a less doped field they would have better results!Jan the man said:Sylvain Chavanel
Jerome Pineau
Patrick Sinkewitz
wolfix said:[size=-1]Jean-Francois Bernard jumped right out when I read the threads title. But Alex Zulle always reminded me of a rider who could have had better results then what he was predicted for.
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