rim questions; Torelli and Ambrosio.

[Michael Press]

I am running Torelli Master rims, and am very satisfied;
but have heard a rumor that Torelli will stop offering them. True?
Ambrosio offers rims that are "anodized" and "silver anodized."
What is "silver anodized?" Is a process that turns the aluminum
into aluminum oxide; or is it not an anodizing process at all?
Thanks.

--
Michael Press

 

[41]

Michael Press wrote:
> I am running Torelli Master rims, and am very satisfied;
> but have heard a rumor that Torelli will stop offering them. True?
> Ambrosio offers rims that are "anodized" and "silver anodized."
> What is "silver anodized?"


http://www.torelli.com/torelli/tnews.shtml

"As I wrote earlier Ambrosio won't be pulling the extrusion we use for
the "Master" rim any more. The rest of the world just doesn't want a
nice, economical box section clincher rim and we can't sell enough to
make it worthwhile to have it pulled just for us. As these are sold
off, they can't be replaced. The last of the silver 36 hole Masters
walked out the door this week. We still have a decent supply of Silver
32 and Black 32 and 36."

Sucks, really.


Silver anodized means a thin clear anodization, most silver parts have
this these days.o

 

[Donald Gillies]

"41" <[email protected]> writes:

>http://www.torelli.com/torelli/tnews.shtml

>"As I wrote earlier Ambrosio won't be pulling the extrusion we use for
>the "Master" rim any more. The rest of the world just doesn't want a
>nice, economical box section clincher rim and we can't sell enough to
>make it worthwhile to have it pulled just for us. As these are sold
>off, they can't be replaced. The last of the silver 36 hole Masters
>walked out the door this week. We still have a decent supply of Silver
>32 and Black 32 and 36."

>Sucks, really.

I think that Torelli did a poor job of designing, pricing and
marketing these rims. I fail to see why they cost 50% more than Mavic
MA3 rims, and I fail to see why the closest shop that stocks them for
me (here in San Diego) is like, 1000 miles away, not even in Los
Angeles did anybody stock this rim.

Not only that, but the sidewalls are very high which makes it very
difficult to install wired-on tires. Only kevlar tires can be
installed easily on these rims.

No wonder they went out of production.

Torelli bungled the design, pricing, and distribution of these rims.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

 

[41]

Donald Gillies wrote:
> "41" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >http://www.torelli.com/torelli/tnews.shtml
>
> >"As I wrote earlier Ambrosio won't be pulling the extrusion we use
for
> >the "Master" rim any more. The rest of the world just doesn't want a
> >nice, economical box section clincher rim and we can't sell enough
to
> >make it worthwhile to have it pulled just for us. As these are sold
> >off, they can't be replaced. The last of the silver 36 hole Masters
> >walked out the door this week. We still have a decent supply of
Silver
> >32 and Black 32 and 36."
>
> >Sucks, really.
>
> I think that Torelli did a poor job of designing, pricing and
> marketing these rims. I fail to see why they cost 50% more than
Mavic
> MA3 rims

Double eyelets vs. single; volume of production. Compare instead with
Open Pros.

>and I fail to see why the closest shop that stocks them for
> me (here in San Diego) is like, 1000 miles away, not even in Los
> Angeles did anybody stock this rim.

If they are as bad as you say, why would this surprise you?


> Not only that, but the sidewalls are very high which makes it very
> difficult to install wired-on tires. Only kevlar tires can be
> installed easily on these rims.

Funny but most people say wire are easier to mount than Kevlar.

The braking sidewalls are wide (high) with the double eyelet box
section but the tire bed is completely conventional, from what I can
see no different from other Ambrosio rims:

http://www.ambrosiospa.com/cerchi_corsa.htmm

 

[daveornee]

"41" <[email protected]> writes:

>http://www.torelli.com/torelli/tnews.shtml

>"As I wrote earlier Ambrosio won't be pulling the extrusion we use for
>the "Master" rim any more. The rest of the world just doesn't want a
>nice, economical box section clincher rim and we can't sell enough to
>make it worthwhile to have it pulled just for us. As these are sold
>off, they can't be replaced. The last of the silver 36 hole Masters
>walked out the door this week. We still have a decent supply of Silver
>32 and Black 32 and 36."

>Sucks, really.

I think that Torelli did a poor job of designing, pricing and
marketing these rims. I fail to see why they cost 50% more than Mavic
MA3 rims, and I fail to see why the closest shop that stocks them for
me (here in San Diego) is like, 1000 miles away, not even in Los
Angeles did anybody stock this rim.

Not only that, but the sidewalls are very high which makes it very
difficult to install wired-on tires. Only kevlar tires can be
installed easily on these rims.

No wonder they went out of production.

Torelli bungled the design, pricing, and distribution of these rims.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

Torelli marketing in the US isn't great, but their rims are far superior to Mavic MA-3. Of course, MA-3 is a low budget wider rim and has Mavic's name and distribution.
If I were to ride a pair of Torelli or MA-3 on a loaded tour, There would be no contest in my choice of Torelli.
Amborsio is a very good quality company with good quality products. It would be nice to see them give Mavic some serious competition in the USA. They have the products to do it, but they need to get serious in their marketing if they want to make is happen.
It seems that Velocity is making it happen in the USA.
I know that there is no easy replacement for the Torelli Master. Design criteria are quite different at Velocity than at Ambrosio. However, you might want to consider the Velocity Dyad. I know it looks quite different and doesn't have eyelets or sockets, but they work well and are proven reliable in similar applications. We use them on our 700C touring tandem with 48 spokes and 700C loaded touring singles with 36 spokes. They hold up well and are stable.