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> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:32:52 -0600, "SumBuny" <
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> >"jake" <
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> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:02:00 -0600, "SumBuny" <
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> >> >"jake" <
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> >> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:24:00 GMT, "Marciosos8 Probertiosos8"
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> >> >> >"jake" <
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> >> >> >> I dont know about my double standards but your obsessions are
sure
> >> >> >> showing.. As I said ..anything to avoid facing the fact that ADHD is
nothing
> >> >> >> remotely like diabetes..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >However, it is like chronic pain,
> >> >>
> >> >> Have you ever had chronic pain? you might change your mind rapidly.... there is no question
> >> >> of "forgetting" to take painkillers..
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> >> >
> >> >Hmmm...sounds like an "addiction" to me....if a person never forgets
to
> >take
> >> >their drug, they must be addicted...right?
> >>
> >> If you are in chronic pain you do not forget to take painkillers. It is no secret that opiates
> >> and painkillers like Oxycontin are highly addictive.
> >
> >True...but what about those who are using NSAIDs for chronic conditions?
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> well..I am not too sure they are being very smart.. there are worse things than being addicted In
> terms of this discussion I guess you would have to say they are dependent but not addicted..
What is the difference, in your opinion?
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> >> >And a person who does forget must not be addicted, right?
> >>
> >> I suspect that they remember fast enough when the withdrawal symptoms kick in..
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> >Did ya know that you can get rebound headaches from overuse of NSAIDs?
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http://www.healthyroads.com/MyLibrary/Data/ash_ref/htm/art_ReboundHeadache.
asp
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> overuse is sure not a good idea.. this should be publicized more often IMHO..
Agreed...overuse/abuse of *any* medication is not good--including ADHD meds...however, all too many
extremists do not seem to "hear" that...they believe that anyone using ADHD meds is abusing them...
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> >> >Considering that both chronic pain and ADHD are diagnosed
> >subjectively...and
> >> >the former patients never forget their meds while the latter often
> >do...then
> >> >why is the ADHDer called addicted to drugs for a "made up condition"
and
> >the
> >> >pain sufferer is not?
> >>
> >> the addictive qualities are a function of the drug.. Both opiates and amphetamines are highly
> >> addictive.
> >
> >Explain the rebound headaches for overuse/abuse of NSAIDs (not opiates)
>
> lol...a bit of a burden when the experts dont know.. but "a history of taking prescription or
> nonprescription pain relievers daily or almost every day, contrary to directions on the
> package label"
>
> sounds fair enough to me..
>
> it brings to mind a similar discussion we had on OTC inhalers where you were perfectly correct..
<nodding> Key words are "contrary to directions"...when a doctor directs you to take medication
daily or over an extended period of time, that is not considered overuse, right? As long as you are
working with your doctor, following his/her directions as far as dose and frequency, it is not abuse
or overuse, right?
Same for all medications...including those for mental health issues...
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> >> >Just trying to understand the POV of those who make this
"distinction"...
> >>
> >> yes you can be quite rational..but as soon as the spectre of scientology is summoned up you
> >> became a eccentric and hysterical as the rest.. a curious phenomenum
> >
> >
> >I have never been impressed with the extremism of that group...anyone who decides what is right
> >for *everyone else* no matter what, strikes me as eccentric and hysterical.
>
> and how about the extremism of those who troll around as self-styled "anti-scientologists"
> routinely pack attacking poor devils who have never even heard of the damn group? raving about
> clams and god knows what other madness..????
Just because I do not participate in those does not mean I agree/support them...otherwise, I could
be accused of doing the same on many anti-ADHD med threads as well, no? <g>
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> > I have never insisted that all people take medication, that it is right for everyone. I believe
> > that this is
something
> >to be decided by the patient and the doctor...however, when someone who
has
> >never met me insists that I should not be allowed to do this, that they
can
> >"practice medicine" for my docotr, *that* is where I get defensive.
>
> >Wouldn't you get upset if a stranger insists that you and your doctor not
be
> >the ones to decide your health care?
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>
> Indeed..
>
> in other forums I am considered a pain for constantly criticizing mentally ill usenet doKtors..
> who diagnose and prescribe for unmet strangers from behind their keyboards..
<nodding> The frightening thing that I have seen is that it is not only mental health issues, but
just about any medical condition can be abused online...there is definately something to be said
about personal interaction with one's doc....many conditions mimic others...my grandfather had been
diagnosed as arthritic for years...only to be found with pancreatic cancer by a specialist who
happened to be in the office during one of his follow-ups...another friend was misdiagnosed with
Chron's (sp?) disease--he actually had leukemia...I do agree that ADHD is often misdiagnosed--but
misdiagnosis goes *both ways*. I.e., some who are diagnosed as ADHD do not have it, but that also
means that some people who are not diagnosed ADHD *do* have it.
>
> odd that they almost invariably diagnose people as having the same problem as them and encourage
> others to take the same drugs as they do
I do admit that I see much through the eyes of "ADHD, aspergers/autism, gifted, sensory
integrations disorder". Why? Because that is what my family is dealing with, and "If the only tool
one has is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail." I may see ADHD or autism, or SID where
it might not be, but I do not insist that medication is what everyone should have. If I am asked
what *I* (or my family) is doing/using, I do not lie. But I *do* insist that they go to their
doctor to get it checked/ruled out. If it wasn't for some folks doing that, my son's autism would
probably have gone undiagnosed for a few more years (he was not diagnosed aspergers until he was
8)...someone suggested I research that, and when I saw the description, I went to his doc and asked
that he be screened for it.
The same with ADHD...
YMMV, and we are all human and make mistakes...docs included <g> Buny