Road bike vs. Mountain bike with slicks



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I'm assuming most of you are roadies, but please be open minded with my question.

I took up mountain biking this year (from no biking at all) and really like singeltrack and generally dirt riding.

Due to weather and drive time to trails, I would like to begin road riding from time to time.

I was considering using a 2nd set of rims and adding tires to these geared for road (little narrower, less tread, more psi) but am also considering getting a used road bike.

In my head I prefer the 2nd set of rims because I like the comfort of my mountain bike, use of existing clipless & shoes, etc.

So what are the disadvantages of using another set of wheels on my mountain bike?
 
i have both. Keep my road bike for racing and mtb for training. there is a way to get aroung the pedals shoes etc... get a second set of the same pedals for your road bike. The disadvantages of a road bike are less comfort, more expensive (arguable), possibility of two sets of shoes, spares etc... Advantages of a road bike are faster, lighter, somebody help me here....

hope that helps.
 
Originally posted by drewjc
i have both. Keep my road bike for racing and mtb for training. there is a way to get aroung the pedals shoes etc... get a second set of the same pedals for your road bike. The disadvantages of a road bike are less comfort, more expensive (arguable), possibility of two sets of shoes, spares etc... Advantages of a road bike are faster, lighter, somebody help me here....

hope that helps.

your mtb will work of course but in the end it wont be as fast cause of weight, less aero position, fatter tires, and funky gearing and other things too i guess
 
If you will be commuting a set of fenders are nice to have of a road bike. If the weather is dry where you live, maybe you don't need them anyway.

I switch between a hybrid and an MTB when I am doing short errands and find that the MTB is like driving a truck.

TD
 
I had a MTB up untill a few weeks ago and you can deffientely feel the difference once your on the road, the tyres are much faster and just the whole bike in general is much faster and lighter etc....
 
Sorry that last post came out a bit wrong, i should hav put "...weeks ago and with a road bike you can deffintely..."
 
Sorry that last post came out a bit wrong, i should hav put "...weeks ago and with a road bike you can deffintely..."
 
A good road bike is a whole different biking experience from riding a mountain bike on the road - slicks or no slicks. Very much a personal preference thing. Since this is somewhat new to you, I would suggest test riding a nice road bike around for a little bit, to get a feel for it. Maybe you will still prefer the MTB or you may just fall in love with the road bike feel, in which case the extra set of wheels for the MTB will be a waste. Personally I think having a second bike is well worth a few extra pieces of gear.

See if you can find a good bike store that will let you take several test rides on a variety of bikes. You can bring along your shoes and pedals so they can put them on the test bike.
 
I have done a lot of experimenting on this topic because my body does not fit most road bikes.

A mountain bike cannot become a good roadie bike, but it can become a very fast touring-style bike that will keep up with some (but not all) group rides and let you go on long distance rides with no discomfort. Bikes with no shocks are a bit faster.

By far, the fastest slicks are Tom Ritchey, and I use the 1.4 size so that I don't lose the gearing (smaller diameter would make for a slower top speed).

Advocet are also pretty quick, but any tire that does not skid is slower.

Panaracer Pasela kevlar folding or T-Serv are very fast in sizes 1.25" and smaller. Unfortunately, 1.34" is the minimum size tire for most MTB wheels.
The larger Panaracer sizes are very slow but have extreme traction (any tire that does not skid).
One should not suggest these for speed unless you want all weather speed. These (Pasela, T-serv larger than 1.25") are very fast on rough surfaces (gravel seems not to exist), while a smooth or slippery surface becomes human flypaper. They do stick to wet concrete, even if you really squeeze the brakes--no skid.

While there's no possible better tire for a roadie bike (700c x 28mm T-serv, Pasela kevlar, RuffyTuffy), these probably won't do what you want on a mountain bike.
This is because of the wide width of mountain bike wheels increases traction too much.

If you want speed on a mountain bike, you will have to give up wet weather traction in favor of hard rubber compounds that simply go faster.

It is important to use performance inner tubes (26" road tubes) whenever using 1.4 and smaller tires. Ordinary mountain bike inner tubes will really slow down small performance tires.

Below the 1.4 size, Contenental makes authentic roadie tires in the 1 inch size, but you will need gearing such as 11 tooth on the back and 54 tooth on the front. You will also need rims that are small, such as Sun CR18 or even smaller. Shimano's mega-range freewheels and cassettes (30 to 11) are inexpensive and have the necessary 11 tooth for the back. Nashbar has some in the 8 speed variety. Rocket Ring has the necessary 54 tooth for the front, but there's a catch. If you use the 110 bolt circle gear, there are no pins or ramps to shift quickly. Shimano FC2200 crankset is standard square taper bottom bracket, under $50 and is 130 bolt circle. Sora road double fits the Octalink 2 bottom bracket if you need that. Add $35 for the Rocket ring 130 54 tooth gear and you've almost got it. Almost? Well, a mountain bike front derailer can't shift that combo. You'll need a FC2200, FC2300, Sora, or Tiagra front derailer. Since there's only two front gears in use, an ordinary friction lever will "index" the front two gears just in case your current left-hand shifter won't do it (probably it will work just fine, though).
After going through this, you may discover that you should have purchased a basic road bike instead.
Certainly, do this if you are very short and require a small bike. Otherwise, avoid converting a mountain bike to the 1" tires.

If you just want to go really fast without converting your mountain bike into a road bike, try Schwinn Typhoon tread (26x2.1) tires for extreme low-friction and the big diameter means you don't have to replace your gears. Extreme low friction means hard rubber and that you will wear a helmet in rainy weather. Otherwise, these tires will handle anything (glass, nails, rocks, screws, staples, trees, gravel, fence wire, beer cans). Despite the printing on the side, you can air the front to 40 and the rear to 65. With this size, putting too much air into the front could slow you down, so keep the front 40 or lower. Enjoy the speed, and the really weird looks from you friends (as you pass). This will give you a flat ground pace of 19 MPH. It is extremely enjoyable, but road bikes pace about 21 or so. So, this particular answer gives you all the speed you want for crosstown trips and adventures, but not quite enough speed to join a roadie group ride. *Schwable Big Apple are similar.

For road bike speed, mountain bike handlebars will not work. Honestly, the flat bars or Mary bars do not allow your body to deliver optimal power. However, Wald brand Touring (North Road, smallest 3 speed style, 23 inches) will work just fine. This is an odd-looking way to gain up to 20% more speed. These were first designed to be installed upside down as drop bars, which you can do IF your stem is high enough. If upside down, you can wrap them with roadie bar tape. Also, if upside down, another feature appears. There is both a rearwards grip and a forwards grip that works like drop bars to "duck" you out of the wind without the mandatory view of the front wheel.
If right side up (because your bike is too small or stem is too short, or you just like the classic look), get some very large bmx grips and razor cut the big rubber circles off the ends (makes a big butch look instead of a 3 speed look). Mount the brakes as far forwards as possible without going into the curve. You can still use the forward grip this way (on the Wald version).
The real problem with this style handlebars is getting grips at 1/8 to 1 inch above seat height. Above? Yes. A converted mountain bike becomes a middleweight touring-style bike and will go slow if the handlebars are too low (rider position/power delivery sometimes becomes more important than areodynamics). For Aheadset, there are extender tubes by Delta and severe angle UP stems by Dimension. For 1 inch threadless, Nashbar makes fine adjustable stems. For 25.4mm threaded stems, a dutch-bike adjustable will work (only game in town). For a normal 1" steerer (22.2mm stem), the Pyramid Long Cool stem or Nitto Technomic (25.4mm clamp version) is available in reachs of 80mm for normal people and 100mm for those with long arms or speed freaks (if your bike is the right size, use the 80mm range, but if it is too small for you, get the 100mm range). Lastly, tilt these handlebars so that, when your back is straight, the weight of your body onto your hands is between your thumb and fingers, not on your wrists.


Back on the subject of tires, it simply does not matter what size the tire is, only if the rubber is sticky or hard.
Hard rubber tires are far faster, but a bit outdated because they need to be larger for adequate traction.

Tire weight matters on acceleration, but absolutely does not matter for speed.

In fact, a heavy tire can have a beneficial flywheel effect. Heavy tires can be a problem on group rides because you strain to accelerate, and then ride the brakes as you fly past the pack without pedaling (flywheel effect). Given some speed going down the previous hill (even if you don't pedal), heavy tires will actually coast up the next hill. These are more authentic for touring (commute) and very long distance (Think stomp, stomp, stomp, coast, coast, coast).

Light weight tires will practically fly up a hill, but then they will lose all of your pedaling energy as if by magic and you will also have to pedal down the hill. Still, it is nice to fly up the hill. The same thing happens at a stoplight. With lightweight tires, there's a lot of pedaling and almost NO coasting. This is mostly due to the extra-sticky rubber used in most narrow tires, and it does not apply to all lightweight tires. Tom Ritchey's will coast very well, but they will sometimes skid a bit when you stop. Small tires are more authentic for roadie style and criterion rides (Think spin pedals, spin pedals, spin pedals, because your bike will just stop if you stop pedaling, spin pedals, spin pedals, keep spinning, spin pedals).

Converting a mountain bike into a fast middleweight will let you keep all of the mountain bike features, such as strength, agility, safety and comfort. As such, it is a very worthwhile project.
You can even carry heavy loads with a 19 mph flat ground pace (modern road bikes cannot do that, but the old ones could).
IF your resulting project makes your body comfortable, you will be able to go incredible long distances.


It will not achieve the speed of a basic disposable aluminum road bike such as a Specialized Allez Triple. Those will just toast a mountain bike. So, if your purpose is criterion rides (group roadie rides), purchase a criterion bike.

Even my own middleweight does a great job on distance and blowing the roadies away UP a hill, but after that all I see is a bunch of red led tail lights blinking farther and farther away. So, don't do this project for criterion rides.

However, I really enjoy toasting the mountain bikes and the occaisional extreme speed sprint. That's one other odd feature of a middleweight. They sprint faster than a road bike. Once the sprint is over, well, you know what happens then (you get passed). Out with some friends, I waited patiently until 3 blocks from the house, yelled "See you at the house," slapped the right hand shifter and sprinted like mad. The speedo had just passed 28 MPH before I got tired. That was fun. It wasn't very useful, but it was fun! So, that's what converted mountain bikes and identical middleweights do (sprint and coast). This is an excellent aspect for urban adventure / distance touring, even though it won't work in group rides.
 
Why dig up a two year old topic?? :confused:

There is much better information in more recent posts.
 
drewjc said:
i have both. Keep my road bike for racing and mtb for training. there is a way to get aroung the pedals shoes etc... get a second set of the same pedals for your road bike. The disadvantages of a road bike are less comfort, more expensive (arguable), possibility of two sets of shoes, spares etc... Advantages of a road bike are faster, lighter, somebody help me here....

hope that helps.
I used to think MTBs were more comfortable, but now I find my roadie much more comfortable than the MTB, to the point where my lower abck, which has a range of problems, will "go" on the mTB but seems to be helped by riding the roadie. Horses for courses I guess. Try both options, if you are able to, before you commit the $$ to it.
 
gclark8 said:
Why dig up a two year old topic?? :confused:

There is much better information in more recent posts.
Oops! Sorry. I thought it was the (very similar) recent post. I wondered where all the useful information went. ;)

I've got to do a frame alignment today, and it's been a long time since I've done that, so maybe I'm a little bit distracted.

I wanted to know if anybody found a truly fast 1.75" MTB slick, or if there's no hope for that size?
 
danielhaden said:
I wanted to know if anybody found a truly fast 1.75" MTB slick, or if there's no hope for that size?
If "close enough is good enough", Continental's SportContact MTB slick is available in a 26x1.6" variant.

I had the 1.3" variant on my old MTB-based commuter and they are very, very quick. In the end I think I'd actually prefer the 1.6" over the 1.3".
 
rek said:
If "close enough is good enough", Continental's SportContact MTB slick is available in a 26x1.6" variant.

I had the 1.3" variant on my old MTB-based commuter and they are very, very quick. In the end I think I'd actually prefer the 1.6" over the 1.3".
Now, that is a very good answer. Conti Sport contact 1.6

I'm looking for a size in-between Schwinn Typhoon Cord (26x2.1) and the Tom Ritchey (26x1.4). Both of these are very fast because the rubber is pretty hard.

How do the Conti Sport Contacts do?

Application:
1) Smaller tires remove features, character, and gear ratio from mountain bikes. Unless the gears (crankset) is changed, the bike will slow down.
Need big slicks!
2) Big slicks are available, work great, keep the character/features of the mountain bike intact, and they are very fast; however, the appearance is objectionable to many people.
Need tires as quick as beach crusier tires, but without the goofy appearance.
3) Most 26x1.75 tires are extraordinarily slow, especially if they are made of sticky race-tire rubber.
Need a big performance tire with a harder rubber compound.

The trouble I have with performance tires is that they all seem to be made of super-sticky rubber that feels like riding with the brakes on.

Sure, the technology works great when the tire is skinny (700c x 25mm). But, the wider tires that are made of the exact same stuff are like human flypaper.

The rubber compound that provides the right amount of traction for a 1 inch wide tire provides double the traction and DOUBLE THE FRICTION when the exact same compound is used in a wider tire. You would think that manufacturers would pay attention to this. But, no they don't and you get practically glued onto the road.

Does anybody know if the Continental Sport Contact 1.6 suffers from this very popular problem?
 
Personally, I love my MTB with slicks. It just floats down the road. I use 80psi tires, but god only know who.

You can't go as fast, yes, but you don't need to change the gearing at all. That's just weenie talk. My 42/12 combo can be too small on a downhill, but I'm not racing. If I were I'd use a road bike! ( sometimes I can catch road bikes when they pass me, but I can't stay with them, but it's fun to see the double-take they give you when they see your ride.)
What you gain is a bike that (hopefully) already fits you and that you're used to. What you lose has been mentioned, but if you want the wind-in-your-hair experience of cycling, put on some slicks and ty not to get bugs in your teeth from smiling as you ride.

Oh, and you can still drop off of curbs and such without sweating about the replacement cost of carbon!
 
Another consideration is terrain. About 15 years ago i moved into a large city and found that the streets were not made necessarily for safe cyling with a road bike.

I tried a mountain bike, Trek 820, and loved it for city riding, rough pavement conditions and for up and down curbs etc. I still have that bike today.

I now live out in a rural part of my county, and depending on where i inted to ride i either use one of my road bikes, or the good ole 1991 Trek 820!!!
 
bcardamone said:
Another consideration is terrain. About 15 years ago i moved into a large city and found that the streets were not made necessarily for safe cyling with a road bike.

I tried a mountain bike, Trek 820, and loved it for city riding, rough pavement conditions and for up and down curbs etc. I still have that bike today.

I now live out in a rural part of my county, and depending on where i inted to ride i either use one of my road bikes, or the good ole 1991 Trek 820!!!
i struggled with this issue a little while ago

I had a Giant VT3 duallie and loved it. It was the only bike i could cope with due to my poor fitness and back problems. I started with slicks but later went with 700C deep V rims running 28C Gatorskins. This set-up was good but the suspension was soaking up too much power and my back got stronger. I was ready for more speed, not just spinning.

I then rebuilt my old Apollo (96) but still kept the 21spd setup and rims, stiffened up the shocks (which only had 40mm travel). I even changed the handlebars with risers and put on ski bend barends. I chucked on a set of Continental ContactSport 1.25 and have not looked back. It is a great bike for loaded commuting or even touring. The granny gear is great when you are feeling **** and limping home, but the hardtail is nice and solid for spinning or climbing standing. The tyres are fast and grippy in the wet, wear well and fast. Can't fault them except for price. I already have a set of Maxxis Zenith 1.5 awaiting their replacement.

But, no a mtb with slicks is no match for even my flatbar roadbike CRX1. Equipped with maxxis uncategorie 23C tyres... the CRX flies with my friends exotic bikes such as kestrels, specialised roubaix etc... but my back is still learning to cope with the jarring of bumps and i need to be aware of not hopping gutters, hitting potholes etc

One day, when my fitness continues to improve and my back can handle drop bars, I hope to get a OCR composite.... but i still love my apollo.... i love being able to park anywhere, being able to jump gutters, the high level of control, the solid feeling, fly through puddles etc

at the end of the day, the choice is yours... each has it own pros and cons