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  1. "Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Trouble with getting in and out of clips is that I keep
    looking down and


    lose my bearing and swerve a bit.

    I'm workin' on it.


    How tight are you cinching your clips? I haven't used toe
    clips for many years, but when I did I used to keep the
    straps fairly loose so I could pull straight out. In town,
    that is. Out on the open road I'd cinch 'em down tight. Have
    you tried going to an SPD-type clipless?

  2. Gooserider said:


    "K-Man" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:k-man-
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I had my first encounter with a jerk with an automobile
    the other day.

    Get ready for more. But to answer your question, you belong
    on the road. It's illegal in many places to ride on the
    sidewalk. Just get the license number of the next SOB who
    harrasses you, and keep an eye out for his car. A little
    judicious soaping of his windshield will make you feel
    better. :-)

    How about this. Fantasize soaping the windshield. But,
    never, never be the one that escalates. Always de-escalate.
    (And I say this as a guy who'd rather fight at the drop of a
    hat...it's what I do - BJJ/Mauy Thai) ;-p

    In fact fantasize even more drastic things, but then blow it
    off. It's not worth the time to ruminate ("did he see me
    soaping; will my karma suffer..." etc.)

    -Badger

  3. Gooserider said:


    "Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Trouble with getting in and out of clips is that I keep
    > looking down and


    lose my bearing and swerve a bit.

    I'm workin' on it.


    How tight are you cinching your clips? I haven't used toe
    clips for many years, but when I did I used to keep the
    straps fairly loose so I could pull straight out. In town,
    that is. Out on the open road I'd cinch 'em down tight.
    Have you tried going to an SPD-type clipless?

    Hah, I hate to admit it, but I can't reach down far enough
    to grab the cinchers and tighten or loosen them.
    Almost...but...not...quite. (have a hip injury). Plus, I've
    never used toeclips before, so I'm still adapting - it's
    really nice, though - not at all as much trouble as I
    thought. But I still feel a little vulnerable; new bike and
    all that entails.

    But yeah, I think it takes a little getting used to and then
    I hope I'll be able to get the left foot in and centered
    without looking. (doh).

    Clipless? Wow, I'd like to, and may sometime in the next
    year, but that's a bit too advanced for me right now.

    Thx for the hlp.

    -B

  4. Quoted message said:

    K-Man [email hidden]

    wrote in part:

    Quoted message said:

    My question is, should I be riding on the road when
    sidewalks are available?

    Unless the law or road conditions- narrow lanes, no
    shoulders, heavy traffic, and high speeds- requires you
    to use sidewalks, don't. They are sideWALKS after all and
    you aren't walking, are you? Watch the jerks but ignore
    their comments.

    Regards, Bob Hunt

  5. "K-Man" <[email hidden]> wrote

    < when from behind me I < hear the belligerent shout of "Get
    off the road!" I look back to see a < college punk in a
    black SUV.

    And that same jerk would yell at you to get off the sidewalk
    if he were, by some rare chance, actually somewhere.

    Some people are just jerks

    Ride safely and legally, and ignore the jerks.

    Pete

  6. Badger_South said:

    On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:16:18 GMT, "Gooserider" <gooserider@mouse-

    potato.com said:

    "Badger_South" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >>Trouble with getting in and out of clips is that I keep
    >>looking down and
    >>
    lose my bearing and swerve a bit.

    I'm workin' on it.


    How tight are you cinching your clips? I haven't used toe
    clips for many years, but when I did I used to keep the
    straps fairly loose so I could pull straight out. In town,
    that is. Out on the open road I'd cinch 'em down tight.
    Have you tried going to an SPD-type clipless?

    Hah, I hate to admit it, but I can't reach down far enough
    to grab the cinchers and tighten or loosen them.
    Almost...but...not...quite. (have a hip injury). Plus, I've
    never used toeclips before, so I'm still adapting - it's
    really nice, though - not at all as much trouble as I
    thought. But I still feel a little vulnerable; new bike and
    all that entails.

    But yeah, I think it takes a little getting used to and
    then I hope I'll be able to get the left foot in and
    centered without looking. (doh).

    Clipless? Wow, I'd like to, and may sometime in the next
    year, but that's a bit too advanced for me right now.

    Thx for the hlp.

    -B


    Try riding without the straps for a while, as a transition.
    I find having my feet strapped in intimidating. The toe
    traps will still hold your foot quite well. You will have
    zero problem getting your foot free. Just a thought. You've
    got to be comfortable in traffic, there's too many other
    factors to deal with... Best, Bernie

  7. Frank Krygowski said:

    Absolutely not. First, you've got a legal right to
    the road...

    Whoops! I meant, absolutely, you should ride on the road! I
    imagine that was clear from the rest of the message.

    --
    --------------------+ Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove
    rodent and vegetable dot com, replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  8. Badger_South said:

    Trouble with getting in and out of clips is that I keep
    looking down and lose my bearing and swerve a bit.

    I'm workin' on it.

    Here's a basic tip, and then a couple more arcane tips.

    When you're starting out, forget about the clip you came out
    of. For the first five pedal strokes (or twenty, depending
    what's going on) just push on the bottom of that pedal. Get
    up to speed.

    That will get you across an intersection without being
    distracted, and you'll be fast enough to be stable. _Then_
    you can deal with the toe clip.

    Second tip: I still use toe clips. I once found a product
    called "toe flips" that bolt onto the back of the pedal.
    They're just tabs of sheet metal that sort of angle down and
    back from the top surface of the pedal. Hmmm - let's try
    ASCII art:

    ___________
    | |\ OK, that's super-crude, but the square
    | |parts \ are the pedal, and the slanted parts
    | |are toe flips

    They're actually a bit closer to horizontal. They make it
    easier to flip the pedal, and they kind of funnel your foot
    in there. I _really_ doubt they're for sale any more, but it
    would be really easy to make that using thin sheet metal, a
    pair of tin snips and a drill to make screw holes. E-mail me
    (note corrected address below) if you want more details.

    Third tip: Sometimes getting into toe clips is hard because
    the shoe bottom has little lugs that catch and interfere. I
    took a utility knife and angled the front of each little
    lug, so the shoes slid in more smoothly. It helped
    significantly.

    Fourth, more general tip: Go to a parking lot, practice
    flipping into the toe clips, and carefully watch to see
    what, if anything, is making it difficult. Do your shoelaces
    snag something? Is the toe strap too low on the one side?
    Whatever - you may be able to identify a culprit and fix it
    pretty easily.

    Good luck!

    --
    --------------------+ Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove
    rodent and vegetable dot com, replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  9. K-Man said:

    I just ignored him and biked on.

    "Ignore" is the root of "ignorance".

    You should never ever EVER ignore an [censored] like that.
    Always carry some rocks or something to throw at them.

  10. Frank Krygowski said:
    Badger_South said:

    Trouble with getting in and out of clips is that I keep
    looking down and lose my bearing and swerve a bit.

    I'm workin' on it.

    Here's a basic tip, and then a couple more arcane tips.

    When you're starting out, forget about the clip you came
    out of. For the first five pedal strokes (or twenty,
    depending what's going on) just push on the bottom of that
    pedal. Get up to speed.

    Hey Frank! Thanks for taking the time to post those tips.
    ;-)

    Trouble with pedalling on the bottoms of the pedals is the
    clips scrape the street, but just a little. I'll keep your
    tip in mind next time, as well as the one about practicing
    in a parking lot.

    Best,

    -B

  11. On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:43:59 -0700, Terry Morse <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Sidewalk riding is a no-no in virtually all situations.

    In the Cincinnati suburbs where the roads are horrid, riding
    on the sidewalk is often the safest way.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Badger_South said:

    How about this. Fantasize soaping the windshield. But,
    never, never be the one that escalates. Always de-
    escalate.

    Yeah, that's probably best.

    Quoted message said:

    And I say this as a guy who'd rather fight at the drop of
    a hat...it's what I do - BJJ/Mauy Thai) ;-p

    In fact fantasize even more drastic things, but then
    blow it off.

    Or just think about the scene in 'To Kill a Mockingbird'
    where Gregory Peck just wipes the spit off his face.

    cheers, Tom

    --
    -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca

  13. "Florence Henderson Had A Mullet"
    <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    In the Cincinnati suburbs where the roads are horrid,
    riding on the sidewalk is often the safest way.

    Pray tell...what specific suburbs in Cincinnati? I ride
    here, and I've never, ever, had reason to take to the
    sidewalk. Not once.

    Cincy is no worse than many, many other places. Better
    than some.

    Pete

  14. (Tom Keats) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Badger_South said:

    How about this. Fantasize soaping the windshield. But,
    never, never be the one that escalates. Always de-
    escalate.

    Yeah, that's probably best.

    The key for me is that although it feels good,
    momentarily, to go for the 'revenge' angle, my conscience
    gets the better of me and I spend days ruminating and
    worrying about consequences. Then I'd start thinking in an
    empathetic way about the perp, and feeling bad about doing
    anything to them.

    Best is to keep below the radar, and be smooth and silent
    and swoosh on by,
    IMO.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And I say this as a guy who'd rather fight at the drop of
    a hat...it's what I do - BJJ/Mauy Thai) ;-p

    (Jeeze, can't believe I misspelled: it's Muay Thai.)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    In fact fantasize even more drastic things, but then blow
    it off.

    Or just think about the scene in 'To Kill a Mockingbird'
    where Gregory Peck just wipes the spit off his face.

    Well, now, I don't know if I could follow my own advice in
    that scenario, but, well, OK. ;-/

    -B

    Quoted message said:


    cheers, Tom

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Frank Krygowski said:
    Badger_South said:

    Trouble with getting in and out of clips is that I keep
    looking down and lose my bearing and swerve a bit.

    I'm workin' on it.

    Here's a basic tip, and then a couple more arcane tips.

    When you're starting out, forget about the clip you came
    out of. For the first five pedal strokes (or twenty,
    depending what's going on) just push on the bottom of
    that pedal. Get up to speed.

    Hey Frank! Thanks for taking the time to post those
    tips. ;-)

    Trouble with pedalling on the bottoms of the pedals is the
    clips scrape the street, but just a little. I'll keep your
    tip in mind next time, as well as the one about practicing
    in a parking lot.

    I often do one pedal revolution to get up to speed before
    putting my feet in the toe clips. Yes, it scrapes as it
    goes around, but toe clips are cheap to replace when that
    one gets worn through a few years from now. Actually, since
    I just put shorter crank arms on it, it won't scrape as
    much anyway.

    --
    Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in
    the newsgroups if possible).

  16. "maxo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The classic "pass" around here is the guy that MUST get
    past you because you are a cyclist (!), then slows down
    and cuts you off making a right turn. [slaps forehead and
    says duh...] I get a couple of these per day even with my
    "assertive" style.

    I had one of these Must Get Around Cyclist drivers yesterday
    -- a big black Ford Imposition, or whatever those things are
    called. It just got around me, and duh, there was a flagger
    -- why did the driver think I was slowing down?

    I scootled around the hulking SUV, and chatted with the
    flagger. I mentioned in a sort of jolly fashion that the
    driver of the car behind me nearly put me into ditch so he
    could get up to the front first. All smiles, he said he saw
    that behavior, and suggested that I go ahead of the vehicle
    to ensure that he drove through the construction area at a
    safe enough pace, which I
    did.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky Please replace earthlink for mouse-potato
    and .net for .com Home of the meditative cyclist:
    home.earthlink.netWelcome.htm See the
    books I've set free at:
    bookcrossing.comCpetersky

  17. In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (R15757) wrote in message news:<20040609224559.09603.00000854@mb-
    m11.aol.com>...

    Quoted message said:

    Frank Krygowski wrote in part:

    << IIRC, roughly half of serious bike accidents are the
    fault of the cyclist, usually violating a very clear
    law...>>

    I think you refer to car-bike collisions.

    True. Sorry for the lack of precision.

    Quoted message said:

    But car-bike collisions account for no more than 20% of
    all bicycle accidents/injuries.

    True. They're not extremely common.

    Quoted message said:

    The rest are what--wipeouts. Wiping out on sand,
    potholes, ramming into curbs, et cetera.

    Yes. And running into other cyclists (as often as cars!)
    and hitting loose dogs, etc. IOW, just simple little
    crashes.

    Quoted message said:

    And most of that wrecking is done by kids and beginners.

    Sure. As it's always been, back into the 1890s.

    Quoted message said:

    When you start talking about experienced, adult
    cyclists, it's a very different story. Experienced
    cyclists are much less likely to wreck in the first
    place,

    ... logically enough ...

    Quoted message said:

    but the likelihood that any particular wreck will be a
    serious car-bike collision increases with experience.

    That's oddly phrased. To look at it another way: After
    (say) ten years of cycling, an adult is much less likely
    to just lose his balance, or slip on gravel, or get his
    shoelace caught in the chain, or forget where his brake
    levers are, etc etc. So if he _does_ crash (a rare event)
    it's more likely to be with a car. He's eliminated most
    other crash sources.

    He's also likely to be going faster than a less-experienced
    cyclist, so any collisions will likely have more serious
    results as well.

    ....

    --
    Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in
    the newsgroups if possible).

  18. (clip) You should never ever EVER ignore an [censored] like
    that. Always carry some rocks or something to throw
    at them. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh, yeah! I'm sure most
    conflicts could be resolved with a handful of rocks,
    if people weren't so "ignorant."

  19. Leo Lichtman said:

    (clip) You should never ever EVER ignore an [censored] like
    that. Always carry some rocks or something to throw
    at them. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh, yeah! I'm sure most
    conflicts could be resolved with a handful of
    rocks, if people weren't so "ignorant."

    that's true. you'll need something much larger than a
    handful of rocks. try, maybe, your u-bolt.
    --
    david reuteler [email hidden]

  20. Badger_South said:

    I'm trying, believe me. It's just that sometimes, being a
    noob at street riding, it can be a little overwhelming.

    Trouble with getting in and out of clips is that I keep
    looking down and lose my bearing and swerve a bit.

    This can definately be an issue. I do much better with SPDs.
    Have you tried them?

    Matt O.

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