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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:58:22 GMT,
[email protected] wrote:
>Carl Fogel writes:
>
>>>> It's too bad as the Open Corsas have typically been the nicest
>>>> handling tires I've used, but they go away so quickly and they're
>>>> so expensive that I'm looking for something else.
>
>>> How do you [know] whether one tire handles better than another
>>> since traction is either there or not on pavement. There is no
>>> tire squeal or side-slip, although writers to this newsgroup
>>> sometimes describe their cornering as drifting in curves. This
>>> does not occur. Besides that, chip seal, the most abrasive, roads
>>> have poorer traction than concrete or hot-mix asphalt roads.
>
>> Maybe Tom notices that the traction is "not there" on the
>> pavement more often with poorer handling tires?
>
>Maybe shmaybe, let the man speak for himself. You don't have to hold
>his hand.
>
>> It seems unlikely, but are you saying that no rider can tell whether
>> one tire handles better than another in terms of traction?
>
>Unless it is a knobby tire (not a road tire of the kind in question)
>there is no perceptible difference in handling until is washes out in
>a curve, something that occurs with colored tires on wet roads. It is
>not something you prefer to test but it has been done both in situ and
>on the tire testing machine I once designed for Avocet to measure
>maximum lean angle for tires.
>
>> Since you offer no answer, your hastily typed question "How
>> do you [?] whether one tire handles better than another . .
>> ." seems rhetorical.
>
>That may be so in your estimation but I didn't ask you.
>
>> So how do you tell if one tire handles better than another?
>
>You test it on a machine. I originally performed such tests on a 16ft
>long paved plywood tiltbed increasing the angle until the bicycle
>slid. This was done at low speed and with protective clothing. There
>was a difference among tires tested. That was a few years ago.
>
>Jobst Brandt
>[email protected]
Dear Jobst,
If you don't like people replying to your posts, a newsgroup
may not be the best place to spend your time.
So your position is that no rider can tell the difference
between the way different tires handle during normal riding
and that they can be distinguished only at low speed on a
machine.
Thanks,
Carl Fogel
[email protected] wrote:
>Carl Fogel writes:
>
>>>> It's too bad as the Open Corsas have typically been the nicest
>>>> handling tires I've used, but they go away so quickly and they're
>>>> so expensive that I'm looking for something else.
>
>>> How do you [know] whether one tire handles better than another
>>> since traction is either there or not on pavement. There is no
>>> tire squeal or side-slip, although writers to this newsgroup
>>> sometimes describe their cornering as drifting in curves. This
>>> does not occur. Besides that, chip seal, the most abrasive, roads
>>> have poorer traction than concrete or hot-mix asphalt roads.
>
>> Maybe Tom notices that the traction is "not there" on the
>> pavement more often with poorer handling tires?
>
>Maybe shmaybe, let the man speak for himself. You don't have to hold
>his hand.
>
>> It seems unlikely, but are you saying that no rider can tell whether
>> one tire handles better than another in terms of traction?
>
>Unless it is a knobby tire (not a road tire of the kind in question)
>there is no perceptible difference in handling until is washes out in
>a curve, something that occurs with colored tires on wet roads. It is
>not something you prefer to test but it has been done both in situ and
>on the tire testing machine I once designed for Avocet to measure
>maximum lean angle for tires.
>
>> Since you offer no answer, your hastily typed question "How
>> do you [?] whether one tire handles better than another . .
>> ." seems rhetorical.
>
>That may be so in your estimation but I didn't ask you.
>
>> So how do you tell if one tire handles better than another?
>
>You test it on a machine. I originally performed such tests on a 16ft
>long paved plywood tiltbed increasing the angle until the bicycle
>slid. This was done at low speed and with protective clothing. There
>was a difference among tires tested. That was a few years ago.
>
>Jobst Brandt
>[email protected]
Dear Jobst,
If you don't like people replying to your posts, a newsgroup
may not be the best place to spend your time.
So your position is that no rider can tell the difference
between the way different tires handle during normal riding
and that they can be distinguished only at low speed on a
machine.
Thanks,
Carl Fogel