i've owned three haluzak's, longbikes eliminator, two uss visions, a wishbone, a rocket with
reynolds weld labs uss, and a turner [set up with bar end s like the haluzak and wishbone] I
preferred the visions the least, too much reach to the bars for my short arms. the indirect steering
of the Haluzak/Longbikes/Wishbone, all very nice. The Turner was also very nice, rock solid, and I
liked it better overall, because of the simplicity of the set up, not much to go wrong, and very
comfortable. Milt Turners bikes are always works in progress, he's very innovative and doing
"projects". Milt has some definite Ideas about recumbents, from being in the bent business for many
years. His bikes are VERY size specific, they adjust narrowly in range, and you must get the right
size, and then do some "dialing in" with the seat to pedal distance and recline. That "dialing in"
period takes some patience. Once Dialed in, it works very, very well. His Hardshell seat is designed
to sit a little more upright than many Euro hardshells i've tried, it is in my opinion, and the
esteemed Bryan Ball's [Bentrideronline.com] opinion "one of the most comfortable hardshell seats
i've ever sat on" The welds are nice on the frame, and powdercoat nice, a very stiff and efficent
frame. The most simplistic, but effective single return side idler i've ridden with. Milt is a small
custom maker, there are always pro's and con's to that format, but in my 15 years of recumbent
riding, i've always thourghly enjoyed the custom experience, of Turner, Lemle, Reynolds weld labs
etc. Just my two cents for what it's worth [probably not worth much eh?] and I don't work for any of
the above mentioned companies
Tom Sherman wrote:
> skip wrote:
>
>>"Tom Sherman" <
[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
news:[email protected]... <snip>
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>>>For a twitchy bike, try a 1998 or older Vision 40-series SWB or one of the Hypercycle
>>>descendants.
>>>
>>
>>I had a Hypercycle loan for a while and found it to be very stable (no twitchiness) at low to
>>moderate speeds. Its tires were a bit dry rotted and I wasn't interested in tempting fate by
>>flying down hills so I don't know about high speed stability. I let several people who had never
>>ridden a recumbent ride it and none of them had a problem with it. They were surprised how easy it
>>was -USS notwithstanding. I[ve always presumed the S&B's and Turner's handling would have been the
>>similar to that of the the Hypercycle.
>>
>>Several times I've read that Hypercycles were evil handling little beasts, but I don't think the
>>folks making the claim had ever ridden one. Recumbent hearsay I'd wager.
>>
>>I did ride a pre '98 Vision and found it very twitchy especially compared to the Ryan I was riding
>>at the time. The Ryan has most dialed in handling of any recumbent I've ever ridden. It could
>>easily be ridden with one hand, but no hands was a no-no. I find riding no hands is a "so what"
>>issue anyway.
>>
>>Skip
>
>
> I have briefly ridden a Turner, and the handling was twitchy enough at lower speeds that I was not
> going to attempt higher speeds. I do find the straight-bar, arms hanging straight down, steering
> position to be very unnatural however. I would not own an USS bike unless it had the steering
> controls higher and more forward, e.g. Haluzak [1], HPVelotechnik, Reynolds Weld Lab.
>
> [1] I found the Haluzak Horizon to be a very easy bike to ride the first time I tried one.
>
> Tom Sherman - Various HPV's Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)