RR: Kew Boulevarde C Crit Mon, 1st Mar 2004



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flyingdutch

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[QUOTEUs C graders are so much nicer! I notice the races are much mor
serious from D to C and would like your inside information in case
ever make it to B grade.

What else do you find different between C and B grades

hipp

Well, went along and watched the Kew crits last night (D&C and a fe
laps of B&A)

There definetely seemed to be a big difference between D & C. Lots o
shouting from the C's. Some appalling cornering from 2 riders i
particular (on amazing bikes too) in C grade. amazed there wasnt a spil
on that Uturn lefty. Luckily one of the culprits flatted and got ou
with a few laps to go. Dgrade didnt look too daunting (from the comfor
of a shady bench) so next week it is for this little black duck..


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rickster

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"hippy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<m%[email protected]>...
> "rickster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > In B grade, I get yelled at for that, in C grade it seems more
> > acceptable.

>
> Us C graders are so much nicer! :)
> Just pretend you are blocking for some imaginary team mate.
>
> If that was to happen to me in a race and I took offence and
> decided to make the gap even bigger - would I be killed for
> it?


Doubt it. Guys will just give you a dirty look and come round.

> What's the accepted "rules" with this? If I can't make a
> corner as fast as the guys behind me - should I trundle off
> down the back of the bunch or should they just shut up and
> move around me?


You say "it's a big wide road, go round ********"

or "if you want perfection, go race A grade, ********"

That's what I say anyway.

>
> I notice the races are much more serious from D to C and
> would like your inside information in case I ever make it to
> B grade..
>
> What else do you find different between C and B grades?
>


Nothing really you wouldn't expect, the speed is a bit higher, there
is less lurching of the bunch and break away attempts have to be
launched with more "anger" as there is rarely a lull in pace. There
seems to be more bunch kicks than sucessdul breaks in B grade.

I'm really only talking my limited 2 and bit year racing experience,
completely localised in Melbourne. Which was a spectacular rise
through D to C and ground to halt in B grade, and have piffed any
notion of A grade out the window.

If you can complete a C grade race, then you'd probably be able to sit
in on B grade (except at Kew, that hill/corner combo sorts a lot out).
 
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hippy

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"rickster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > What's the accepted "rules" with this? If I can't make a
> > corner as fast as the guys behind me - should I trundle off
> > down the back of the bunch or should they just shut up and
> > move around me?

>
> You say "it's a big wide road, go round ********"
> or "if you want perfection, go race A grade, ********"
> That's what I say anyway.


I like it! :)

> > What else do you find different between C and B grades?

>
> Nothing really you wouldn't expect, the speed is a bit higher, there
> is less lurching of the bunch and break away attempts have to be
> launched with more "anger" as there is rarely a lull in pace. There
> seems to be more bunch kicks than sucessdul breaks in B grade.


I'll need even more work in the bunch then..

> If you can complete a C grade race, then you'd probably be able to sit
> in on B grade (except at Kew, that hill/corner combo sorts a lot out).


The last three C grade Glenvale races have been ~6/7th, ~15th
and then post-crash, in the wet last week we were lapped so
most of the other riders pulled out. I'm not at all close to moving
up, just curious about the differences.

cheers!
hippy
 
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jazmo

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Rickster wrote:
> "hippy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<m%[email protected]
> server.bigpond.net.au>...
> > "rickster" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:376aeeba.04030-
> > [email protected]ews:[email protected]
> > sting.google.com...
> > > In B grade, I get yelled at for that, in C grade it seems more
> > > acceptable.

> >
> > Us C graders are so much nicer! :) Just pretend you are blocking for
> > some imaginary team mate.
> >
> > If that was to happen to me in a race and I took offence and decided
> > to make the gap even bigger - would I be killed for it?

> Doubt it. Guys will just give you a dirty look and come round.
> > What's the accepted "rules" with this? If I can't make a corner as
> > fast as the guys behind me - should I trundle off down the back of the
> > bunch or should they just shut up and move around me?

> You say "it's a big wide road, go round ********"
> or "if you want perfection, go race A grade, ********"
> That's what I say anyway.
> >
> > I notice the races are much more serious from D to C and would like
> > your inside information in case I ever make it to B grade..
> >
> > What else do you find different between C and B grades?
> >

> Nothing really you wouldn't expect, the speed is a bit higher, there is
> less lurching of the bunch and break away attempts have to be launched
> with more "anger" as there is rarely a lull in pace. There seems to be
> more bunch kicks than sucessdul breaks in B grade.
> I'm really only talking my limited 2 and bit year racing experience,
> completely localised in Melbourne. Which was a spectacular rise through
> D to C and ground to halt in B grade, and have piffed any notion of A
> grade out the window.
> If you can complete a C grade race, then you'd probably be able to sit
> in on B grade (except at Kew, that hill/corner combo sorts a lot out).



Does anybody know how C grade on Monday night at Kew Blvd compares to
grade at Glenvale Crescent crits in Mulgrave on a Sunday? Was wonderin
whether I should do C grade instead of D grade out there


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flyingdutch

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jazmo wrote:
> Does anybody know how C grade on Monday night at Kew Blvd compares to C
> grade at Glenvale Crescent crits in Mulgrave on a Sunday? Was wondering
> whether I should do C grade instead of D grade out there.



you mean you get to choose? woulda thought you get ranked or have t
qualify to go up thru some accumulative points or similar syste

At Kew there was one guy who started at front of D and within a few lap
just sat at the back of C grade for an easy win in D cheeky blighter!!


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hippy

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flyingdutch wrote:
> you mean you get to choose? woulda thought you get ranked or have to
> qualify to go up thru some accumulative points or similar system
> At Kew there was one guy who started at front of D and within a few laps
> just sat at the back of C grade for an easy win in D cheeky blighter!!!



I mentioned in an earlier post that CCCC doesn't appear to care abou
what grade riders nominate themselves to ride in. I guess it makes for
lot of work keeping track with so many riders. If you keep winning an
don't move up though, the bunch will recognise you and make some nois
about it I'm sure

The D grade rider who sat on C grade bunch should have been disqualifie
- he was cheating - you are not allowed to sit on a bunch you didn'
start in. I mean, otherwise everyone would just hang back and try t
jump on C. Then it would be: "who could hang onto C the longest" and no
"who won D"

hipp


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flyingdutch

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hippy wrote:
> I mentioned in an earlier post that CCCC doesn't appear to care about
> what grade riders nominate themselves to ride in. I guess it makes for a
> lot of work keeping track with so many riders. If you keep winning and
> don't move up though, the bunch will recognise you and make some noise
> about it I'm sure.
> The D grade rider who sat on C grade bunch should have been disqualified
> - he was cheating - you are not allowed to sit on a bunch you didn't
> start in. I mean, otherwise everyone would just hang back and try to
> jump on C. Then it would be: "who could hang onto C the longest" and not
> "who won D".
> hippy



Yes, the comissaire (isnt that a Falko song???) did mention it at th
starting line preamble

By the way, what's the etiquette or expected actiona sthe higher grad
passes the lower grade? Many C's were yelling at the D's to go lef
which seemed strange to me as i thought it woulda been best to go to th
outside. Approaching and leaving the nasty lefter meant there were a fe
nervous moments as slower D'ers had to go inside the Cers and were goin
wider and nearly collecting the better bike-handling Cers. I can see m
first foray next week is going to be a big lesson/learning-session..


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hippy

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"flyingdutch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> By the way, what's the etiquette or expected actiona sthe higher grade
> passes the lower grade? Many C's were yelling at the D's to go left
> which seemed strange to me as i thought it woulda been best to go to

the
> outside. Approaching and leaving the nasty lefter meant there were a

few
> nervous moments as slower D'ers had to go inside the Cers and were

going
> wider and nearly collecting the better bike-handling Cers. I can see

my
> first foray next week is going to be a big lesson/learning-session...


That happens a lot. Usually, C will yell at D they are coming up
on them and D will perhaps slow and move as far left as possible
so C can go around them. D shouldn't move right, because that
would mean crossing the entire road/track and this could get real
messy. So, generally the faster bunch will ride around the slower
bunch. D should hold their line and try not to interfere with C
and C shouldn't swoop into D and panic the D graders. It makes
sense on the straights but does seem strange on corners - but
what else are they gonna do? Pull off the course? :)

You will be told what you are doing wrong - sometimes the
person will be nice sometimes nasty, sometimes they will be
right, other times they should keep their heads closed. It is
just like anything else - a big learning experience - it gets less
intimidating the more races you do.

"hold your line" hippy
 
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flyingdutch

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Hippy wrote:
> "hold your line" hippy




shouldnt that be "hold your line so I can suck your wheel"
hippy??? :D :D :D



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hippy

Guest
flyingdutch wrote:
> shouldnt that be "hold your line so I can suck your wheel"
> hippy??? :D :D :D




More accurately: "hold your line so I can duck in underneath and then
have everyone yell at me for not holding my line" :)

hippy



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flyingdutch

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hippy wrote:
> More accurately: "hold your line so I can duck in underneath and then
> have everyone yell at me for not holding my line" :)
> hippy



hey, I just noticed Im a 'Senior member' !!

in the Vets alread


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kingsley

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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:30:13 +0000, Hitchy wrote:

> ...I'm still thinking about how to
> tell her about the proposed 'new bike' upgrade, planned for later this
> year!,


Make sure you take notes, I might need some advice...

Oh and Larissa, if you're reading this, I think if we move
some of the furniture out into the shed, there'll be much more
room for bikes. It not like we really use the dining table
that much anyway.


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kingsley

Guest
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:30:13 +0000, Hitchy wrote:

> personally i don't think theres anything wrong with her 1967 Corolla
> with 450,000 km on it......sure you can see the road thru the
> floor.....but hey...did Fred Flintstone complain?,


Sounds like it only needs a new set of floor mats ;)

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