RR: Manitou? In the loo. :(

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  1. Loki

    Loki New Member

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    My first RR thread :)

    Went for a ride today. Nice technical XC course in the Dwellingup area in the South West of Western Australia. Started as usual with me being woken up far too early after far too little sleep and rushing around trying to get ready quickly.

    After meeting up with the 'group', we proceeded in Legs'es (Andrew from my LBS) souped-up 4wd VAN to the course and got on with it.

    Admittedly I am very unfit, and the very first section - 3/4Km of steep gravelly uphill with a nasty...(Legs used the word 'ugly') rock garden and the usual acroutment of stuff to make me get off and walk. (Actually just the hill was enough..)

    With every climb, however, there is a descent, (Well, usually) and we progressed through another 3/4Km of nice flowing slightly downhill singletrack with logovers, jumps and other goodies to keep us on our toes.

    To cut a long story short, the course was roughly 20Km all up, with 3 big climbs and a lot of jumps, rock gardens and the usual hazards associated with the Australian bush. (eg. Blackboys - I'll tell you about them in a minute) As usual I ran out of water on the way out, and after resting for 10 minutes and scabbing some water off Legs we headed back for the return.

    Um, well...the return. As you may know the good thing about 'out and back'-type courses is that you notice a lot of jumps etc that would rock at speed going the other way. Of course, as I am an accredicted member of the 'over-the-handlebars' club, I went as fast as I was able through most of it, getting nice air off most of the jumps and receiving praise for my 'textbook commando-roll' that I performed after landing a 0.5m ramped downhill jump (at high speed) rather badly.

    After a couple of gruelling climbs and more sweet descents we finally arrived near the 'ugly' rock garden descent. Not properly heeding the warnings I went at it with my usual 'you only live once' attitude and ended up holding on for dear life and trying not to crush my manhood on my saddle as I bounced down the hill.

    I have to say that my brakes are so cool. I love them. The other guys with Vbrakes really struggled down the final section - I did find it hard with Hayes Hydros, (ie. fingers clamped firmly to the grips and hard on the brakes for 80% of it) so it was a good test.

    Now for the kicker. On the way down the last section I noticed the ~1m launcher that I passed on the way up. "Oooh! I'd cut some flly sik air off that" I thought, not checking the landing as I usually do, and hit it at high speed. (stupidly high) "Ohhh shiiit!" (My usual 'I'm going to die' exclamation) I landed it rather well, considering the landing was deep gravel. Then I saw the three or four rather large Blackboys (No, not Indigenous Australians - Blackboys are big black and green tree-like things.) in my way. Not having enough time to do anything at all, I ploughed into them and hit something and bounced off something else and so on, then finally stopped with a groan.

    After dusting myself off I limped back to my bike and disentangled if from the blackboys, then got back on and completed the last hundred meters or so without mishap.

    After that hellish crash I checked out the damage - nothing serious, just a whole lotta grazing up my right arm and right elbow and right side of my chest and right knee and leg and left knee.

    During the bumpy ride back I was casually looking at y bike and noticed something near the bottom of the arch of my Manitou Six Sport shox (Yeah, I know, I know.) I leaned forward to try and wipe it off and realised it was a crack. On further investigation it turned out I had really broken it.

    Anyway - that's my story of my third XC ride ever, my first broken fork and my worst crash to date. :)

    PS- Can anyone reccomend a 100mm+ travel fork from Manitou (Preferably with a lockout) to replace my broken one? I will be adding cash to my warranty return to upgrade to something better.
     
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  2. Martees

    Martees Guest

    "Loki" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > My first RR thread :)
    >
    > Went for a ride today. Nice technical XC course in the Dwellingup area in the South West of
    > Western Australia. Started as usual with me being woken up far too early after far too little
    > sleep and rushing around trying to get ready quickly.
    >
    > After meeting up with the 'group', we proceeded in Legs'es (Andrew from my LBS) souped-up 4wd VAN
    > to the course and got on with it.
    >
    > Admittedly I am very unfit, and the very first section - 3/4Km of steep gravelly uphill with a
    > nasty...(Legs used the word 'ugly') rock garden and the usual acroutment of stuff to make me get
    > off and walk. (Actually just the hill was enough..)
    >
    > With every climb, however, there is a descent, (Well, usually) and we progressed through another
    > 3/4Km of nice flowing slightly downhill singletrack with logovers, jumps and other goodies to keep
    > us on our toes.
    >
    > To cut a long story short, the course was roughly 20Km all up, with 3 big climbs and a lot of
    > jumps, rock gardens and the usual hazards associated with the Australian bush. (eg. Blackboys -
    > I'll tell you about them in a minute) As usual I ran out of water on the way out, and after
    > resting for 10 minutes and scabbing some water off Legs we headed back for the return.
    >
    > Um, well...the return. As you may know the good thing about 'out and back'-type courses is that
    > you notice a lot of jumps etc that would rock at speed going the other way. Of course, as I am an
    > accredicted member of the 'over-the-handlebars' club, I went as fast as I was able through most of
    > it, getting nice air off most of the jumps and receiving praise for my 'textbook commando-roll'
    > that I performed after landing a 0.5m ramped downhill jump (at high speed) rather badly.
    >
    > After a couple of gruelling climbs and more sweet descents we finally arrived near the 'ugly' rock
    > garden descent. Not properly heeding the warnings I went at it with my usual 'you only live once'
    > attitude and ended up holding on for dear life and trying not to crush my manhood on my saddle as
    > I bounced down the hill.
    >
    > I have to say that my brakes are so cool. I love them. The other guys with Vbrakes really
    > struggled down the final section - I did find it hard with Hayes Hydros, (ie. fingers clamped
    > firmly to the grips and hard on the brakes for 80% of it) so it was a good test.
    >
    > Now for the kicker. On the way down the last section I noticed the ~1m launcher that I passed on
    > the way up. "Oooh! I'd cut some flly sik air off that" I thought, not checking the landing as I
    > usually do, and hit it at high speed. (stupidly high) "Ohhh shiiit!" (My usual 'I'm going to
    > die' exclamation) I landed it rather well, considering the landing was deep gravel. Then I saw
    > the three or four rather large Blackboys (No, not Indigenous Australians - Blackboys are big
    > black and green tree-like things.) in my way. Not having enough time to do anything at all, I
    > ploughed into them and hit something and bounced off something else and so on, then finally
    > stopped with a groan.
    >
    > After dusting myself off I limped back to my bike and disentangled if from the blackboys, then got
    > back on and completed the last hundred meters or so without mishap.
    >
    > After that hellish crash I checked out the damage - nothing serious, just a whole lotta grazing up
    > my right arm and right elbow and right side of my chest and right knee and leg and left knee.
    >
    > During the bumpy ride back I was casually looking at y bike and noticed something near the bottom
    > of the arch of my Manitou Six Sport shox (Yeah, I know, I know.) I leaned forward to try and wipe
    > it off and realised it was a crack. On further investigation it turned out I had really broken it.
    >
    > Anyway - that's my story of my third XC ride ever, my first broken fork and my worst crash to
    > date. :)
    >
    > PS- Can anyone reccomend a 100mm+ travel fork from Manitou (Preferably with a lockout) to replace
    > my broken one? I will be adding cash to my warranty return to upgrade to something better.
    >
    >
    >
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    Nice RR. Too bad about the fork. I spent a few years in the Alice area and would have LOVED to have
    been into mountainbiking back then (early 90's).

    Marty
     
  3. Mattb

    Mattb Guest

    "Loki" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > My first RR thread :)
    >
    > Went for a ride today. Nice technical XC course in the Dwellingup area in the South West of
    > Western Australia. Started as usual with me being woken up far too early after far too little
    > sleep and rushing around trying to get ready quickly.
    >

    Hey, I know where that is! My Aunt has a vineyard not far from the all the "ups". I've spent some
    nice times at Smith's Beach and Yallingup. Big surf there. Every drink (or hear of) Killerby wine
    from Capel?

    Looked like there was some potential for good riding around there. I didn't have my bike last time
    but would love to bring it (or hire one) on the next trip.

    <snip>

    > During the bumpy ride back I was casually looking at y bike and noticed something near the bottom
    > of the arch of my Manitou Six Sport shox (Yeah, I know, I know.) I leaned forward to try and wipe
    > it off and realised it was a crack. On further investigation it turned out I had really broken it.
    >
    > Anyway - that's my story of my third XC ride ever, my first broken fork and my worst crash to
    > date. :)
    >

    Damn. That's a drag. I bet those Blackboys are a pretty solid obstical. Glad it ended well for you.

    Matt
     
  4. David Bailey

    David Bailey Guest

    Loki best bet is to admit fault and purchase some new lower legs (provided thats the only thing
    broken) and get them back working for possible re-sale. Then check out forks in the Sherman range
    100-130mm travel best suited for freeriding and trail riding, has the capability to take big hits
    also. Don't have a lock out but a properly set up fork with good compression and rebound damping
    does not require one.

    The Manitou Black is available in 100-120mm travel and the Super model has an optional lock out.
    More a trail riding and dual fork than the big hit Sherman. Check out www.answerproducts.com

    No chance of a warranty on the Six sports mate, I don't think Marcus at Answer Manitou Australia
    will let that one get through some how!!!
     
  5. Loki

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    Damn, all I did was drop a 8" kerb, officer! Honest! :)

    If I don't get a replacement I won't be able to ride for quite a while. Funds are severely limited atm (I'm still paying off the bike ffs.) and since the bike is also my only mode of transportation I'm really hoping that Manitou replace it for me.
    If not it's going to be some second-hand SR Suntours (yay) and me saving up for something more serious. (Black Comp or Skareb Comp I guess, depending on how the warranty return goes)

    On the up side I get to ride a sweet full XT/XTR Merida XC Mission Speed LRS full susser that belongs to a guy at my LBS :D
    This Marzocchi MX Pro w/ ETA really is the goods. mmm. I'm going to have trouble giving this bike back in a week :)
     
  6. Loki

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    BTW, there seems to be a lot of people experiencing breaks with their Manitou Six and Six Sport forks at the join between the Arch and the Right leg. (exactly where mine broke) Pretty worrying.
    All the people concerned got their forks (just new lower legs) back on warranty.

    Just a query, how much would these forks be worth second hand? I don't like the idea of putting them back on my bike, I also don't particularly want to break my neck...
     
  7. Dave Stocker

    Dave Stocker Guest

    "David Bailey" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:[email protected]...

    > No chance of a warranty on the Six sports mate, I don't think Marcus at Answer Manitou Australia
    > will let that one get through some how!!!
    >
    >

    But he was just rla...
     
  8. David Bailey

    David Bailey Guest

    yea been some breakage there a poor casting proberly alloy not magnesium outers, these will
    probably be replaced if broken at the arch. Dont know what they are worth $0? but they sell for
    around $399 new.

    All the best saving up for some better forks.
     
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