Rubiera Move?

[Kendall]

Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team to take up the chase, towing
the rest of Postal, it might make sense but that's not whats happening at this point. WTF?

Kendall

 

[David Ryan]

Kendall wrote:
>
> Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team to take up the chase,
> towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but that's not whats happening at this point. WTF?
>
> Kendall

Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he catches him
without other teammates.

 

[G]

Also, Rubiera is 17min back on the GC, no reason to chase him anyway. Maybe Lance wants him dangling
out there on the final climb because he plans to attack then, and ride up to him?

Kendall <ckensto(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote:

> Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team to take up the chase,
> towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but that's not whats happening at this point. WTF?
>
> Kendall

 

[Kendall]

"David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Kendall wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team
to
> > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but
that's
> > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
> >
> > Kendall
>
> Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he catches him
> without other teammates.

But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?

 

[Daniel Connelly]

Also, there's still a climb left to go, so don't say yet that "that's not what's happening".

g wrote:
> Also, Rubiera is 17min back on the GC, no reason to chase him anyway. Maybe Lance wants him
> dangling out there on the final climb because he plans to attack then, and ride up to him?
>
> Kendall <ckensto(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team to take up the chase,
>>towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but that's not whats happening at this point. WTF?
>>
>>Kendall

 

[Erik Van Leeuwe]

> > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he catches
> > him without other teammates.
>
> But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?

But of course Rubiera has instructions not to get cooked. Nevertheless he may be, but tactically
allways good to have one in front.

Armstrong looks bad in the face, but he reacted very quickly when Mayo attacked. It will all come
down to the last climb.

erik

 

[David Ryan]

Kendall wrote:
>
> "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > Kendall wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team
> to
> > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but
> that's
> > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
> > >
> > > Kendall
> >
> > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he catches
> > him without other teammates.
>
> But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?

1. He sat on the lead group and did no work at all.
2. He got to the front by sitting on wheels until the last one (Galdeano) dropped.
3. He was instructed to ride his own pace on Port de Pailheres, which was two minutes slower than
Armstrong.
4. He is a climbing specialist in his own right.
5. At the very least he has a potential spare bicycle.

Answer your question?

 

[Kendall]

"David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Kendall wrote:
> >
> > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > Kendall wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another
team
> > to
> > > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense
but
> > that's
> > > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
> > > >
> > > > Kendall
> > >
> > > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he catches
> > > him without other teammates.
> >
> > But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?
>
> 1. He sat on the lead group and did no work at all.
> 2. He got to the front by sitting on wheels until the last one (Galdeano) dropped.
> 3. He was instructed to ride his own pace on Port de Pailheres, which was two minutes slower than
> Armstrong.
> 4. He is a climbing specialist in his own right.
> 5. At the very least he has a potential spare bicycle.
>
> Answer your question?

If he has anything left when they bridge and can help, Yes.

 

[David Ryan]

Kendall wrote:
>
> "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > Kendall wrote:
> > >
> > > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > > Kendall wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another
> team
> > > to
> > > > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense
> but
> > > that's
> > > > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
> > > > >
> > > > > Kendall
> > > >
> > > > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he
> > > > catches him without other teammates.
> > >
> > > But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?
> >
> > 1. He sat on the lead group and did no work at all.
> > 2. He got to the front by sitting on wheels until the last one (Galdeano) dropped.
> > 3. He was instructed to ride his own pace on Port de Pailheres, which was two minutes slower
> > than Armstrong.
> > 4. He is a climbing specialist in his own right.
> > 5. At the very least he has a potential spare bicycle.
> >
> > Answer your question?
>
> If he has anything left when they bridge and can help, Yes.

He's now dropping back to take over for Heras.

 

[David Ryan]

David Ryan wrote:
>
> Kendall wrote:
> >
> > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > Kendall wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Kendall wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another
> > team
> > > > to
> > > > > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense
> > but
> > > > that's
> > > > > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kendall
> > > > >
> > > > > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he
> > > > > catches him without other teammates.
> > > >
> > > > But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?
> > >
> > > 1. He sat on the lead group and did no work at all.
> > > 2. He got to the front by sitting on wheels until the last one (Galdeano) dropped.
> > > 3. He was instructed to ride his own pace on Port de Pailheres, which was two minutes slower
> > > than Armstrong.
> > > 4. He is a climbing specialist in his own right.
> > > 5. At the very least he has a potential spare bicycle.
> > >
> > > Answer your question?
> >
> > If he has anything left when they bridge and can help, Yes.
>
> He's now dropping back to take over for Heras.

Just in time as Heras cramps. What a team.

 

[Kendall]

"David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> David Ryan wrote:
> >
> > Kendall wrote:
> > >
> > > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > > Kendall wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Kendall wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing
another
> > > team
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make
sense
> > > but
> > > > > that's
> > > > > > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kendall
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate
ahead who
> > > > > > can support if he catches him without other teammates.
> > > > >
> > > > > But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?
> > > >
> > > > 1. He sat on the lead group and did no work at all.
> > > > 2. He got to the front by sitting on wheels until the last one (Galdeano) dropped.
> > > > 3. He was instructed to ride his own pace on Port de Pailheres, which was two minutes slower
> > > > than Armstrong.
> > > > 4. He is a climbing specialist in his own right.
> > > > 5. At the very least he has a potential spare bicycle.
> > > >
> > > > Answer your question?
> > >
> > > If he has anything left when they bridge and can help, Yes.
> >
> > He's now dropping back to take over for Heras.
>
> Just in time as Heras cramps. What a team.

I guess I still sort of doubt the intelligence of Rubiera's attack after he covered the break. Yes
he was able to take over for Heras and Beltran when they blew, but it wasn't for very long. Pretty
quickly Lance was on his own. But today, a more conservative approach might not made a difference
either. Ulrich was too strong.

 

[Stewart Fleming]

Kendall wrote:
> Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team to take up the chase,
> towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but that's not whats happening at this point. WTF?

Neutralizes any attacks from the peloton.