Rubiera Move?

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  1. Kendall

    Kendall Guest

    Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team to take up the chase, towing
    the rest of Postal, it might make sense but that's not whats happening at this point. WTF?

    Kendall
     
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  2. David Ryan

    David Ryan Guest

    Kendall wrote:
    >
    > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team to take up the chase,
    > towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but that's not whats happening at this point. WTF?
    >
    > Kendall

    Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he catches him
    without other teammates.
     
  3. G

    G Guest

    Also, Rubiera is 17min back on the GC, no reason to chase him anyway. Maybe Lance wants him dangling
    out there on the final climb because he plans to attack then, and ride up to him?

    Kendall <ckensto(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote:

    > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team to take up the chase,
    > towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but that's not whats happening at this point. WTF?
    >
    > Kendall
     
  4. Kendall

    Kendall Guest

    "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Kendall wrote:
    > >
    > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team
    to
    > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but
    that's
    > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
    > >
    > > Kendall
    >
    > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he catches him
    > without other teammates.

    But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?
     
  5. Also, there's still a climb left to go, so don't say yet that "that's not what's happening".

    g wrote:
    > Also, Rubiera is 17min back on the GC, no reason to chase him anyway. Maybe Lance wants him
    > dangling out there on the final climb because he plans to attack then, and ride up to him?
    >
    > Kendall <ckensto(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team to take up the chase,
    >>towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but that's not whats happening at this point. WTF?
    >>
    >>Kendall
     
  6. > > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he catches
    > > him without other teammates.
    >
    > But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?

    But of course Rubiera has instructions not to get cooked. Nevertheless he may be, but tactically
    allways good to have one in front.

    Armstrong looks bad in the face, but he reacted very quickly when Mayo attacked. It will all come
    down to the last climb.

    erik
     
  7. David Ryan

    David Ryan Guest

    Kendall wrote:
    >
    > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > Kendall wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team
    > to
    > > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but
    > that's
    > > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
    > > >
    > > > Kendall
    > >
    > > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he catches
    > > him without other teammates.
    >
    > But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?

    1. He sat on the lead group and did no work at all.
    2. He got to the front by sitting on wheels until the last one (Galdeano) dropped.
    3. He was instructed to ride his own pace on Port de Pailheres, which was two minutes slower than
    Armstrong.
    4. He is a climbing specialist in his own right.
    5. At the very least he has a potential spare bicycle.

    Answer your question?
     
  8. Kendall

    Kendall Guest

    "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Kendall wrote:
    > >
    > > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > > Kendall wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another
    team
    > > to
    > > > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense
    but
    > > that's
    > > > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
    > > > >
    > > > > Kendall
    > > >
    > > > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he catches
    > > > him without other teammates.
    > >
    > > But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?
    >
    > 1. He sat on the lead group and did no work at all.
    > 2. He got to the front by sitting on wheels until the last one (Galdeano) dropped.
    > 3. He was instructed to ride his own pace on Port de Pailheres, which was two minutes slower than
    > Armstrong.
    > 4. He is a climbing specialist in his own right.
    > 5. At the very least he has a potential spare bicycle.
    >
    > Answer your question?

    If he has anything left when they bridge and can help, Yes.
     
  9. David Ryan

    David Ryan Guest

    Kendall wrote:
    >
    > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > Kendall wrote:
    > > >
    > > > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Kendall wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another
    > team
    > > > to
    > > > > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense
    > but
    > > > that's
    > > > > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Kendall
    > > > >
    > > > > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he
    > > > > catches him without other teammates.
    > > >
    > > > But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?
    > >
    > > 1. He sat on the lead group and did no work at all.
    > > 2. He got to the front by sitting on wheels until the last one (Galdeano) dropped.
    > > 3. He was instructed to ride his own pace on Port de Pailheres, which was two minutes slower
    > > than Armstrong.
    > > 4. He is a climbing specialist in his own right.
    > > 5. At the very least he has a potential spare bicycle.
    > >
    > > Answer your question?
    >
    > If he has anything left when they bridge and can help, Yes.

    He's now dropping back to take over for Heras.
     
  10. David Ryan

    David Ryan Guest

    David Ryan wrote:
    >
    > Kendall wrote:
    > >
    > > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > > Kendall wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > Kendall wrote:
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another
    > > team
    > > > > to
    > > > > > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense
    > > but
    > > > > that's
    > > > > > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Kendall
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate ahead who can support if he
    > > > > > catches him without other teammates.
    > > > >
    > > > > But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?
    > > >
    > > > 1. He sat on the lead group and did no work at all.
    > > > 2. He got to the front by sitting on wheels until the last one (Galdeano) dropped.
    > > > 3. He was instructed to ride his own pace on Port de Pailheres, which was two minutes slower
    > > > than Armstrong.
    > > > 4. He is a climbing specialist in his own right.
    > > > 5. At the very least he has a potential spare bicycle.
    > > >
    > > > Answer your question?
    > >
    > > If he has anything left when they bridge and can help, Yes.
    >
    > He's now dropping back to take over for Heras.

    Just in time as Heras cramps. What a team.
     
  11. Kendall

    Kendall Guest

    "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > David Ryan wrote:
    > >
    > > Kendall wrote:
    > > >
    > > > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Kendall wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "David Ryan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > Kendall wrote:
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing
    another
    > > > team
    > > > > > to
    > > > > > > > take up the chase, towing the rest of Postal, it might make
    sense
    > > > but
    > > > > > that's
    > > > > > > > not whats happening at this point. WTF?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Kendall
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Lots of good reasons. One is that Armstrong has a teammate
    ahead who
    > > > > > > can support if he catches him without other teammates.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > But if Chechu is baked when the bridge the gap, what good is he?
    > > > >
    > > > > 1. He sat on the lead group and did no work at all.
    > > > > 2. He got to the front by sitting on wheels until the last one (Galdeano) dropped.
    > > > > 3. He was instructed to ride his own pace on Port de Pailheres, which was two minutes slower
    > > > > than Armstrong.
    > > > > 4. He is a climbing specialist in his own right.
    > > > > 5. At the very least he has a potential spare bicycle.
    > > > >
    > > > > Answer your question?
    > > >
    > > > If he has anything left when they bridge and can help, Yes.
    > >
    > > He's now dropping back to take over for Heras.
    >
    > Just in time as Heras cramps. What a team.

    I guess I still sort of doubt the intelligence of Rubiera's attack after he covered the break. Yes
    he was able to take over for Heras and Beltran when they blew, but it wasn't for very long. Pretty
    quickly Lance was on his own. But today, a more conservative approach might not made a difference
    either. Ulrich was too strong.
     
  12. Kendall wrote:
    > Does anyone understand the Rubiera move? If it was forcing another team to take up the chase,
    > towing the rest of Postal, it might make sense but that's not whats happening at this point. WTF?

    Neutralizes any attacks from the peloton.
     
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