Ruling sought on transfusion for baby of Jehovah's Witness



"jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > $$ So we should look the other way, because of the constitution and

your
> > god, when a child is dying for lack of blood, a Koresh is raping and
> > sexually abusing all the little girls in his sect.

>
> If Koresh were raping little girls.. it was because the girls parents were
> agreeing to it, as part of thier religious beliefs.


## They agreed because it was their religious belief. Should the law have
stopped this disgusting religious practice or not?

The Goverment did not
> intervene he compound, based on child abuse allegations. they went after
> weapons violations.


## Not entirely, the child abuse was rumored for some time before the Gov'
stepped in.

> > and men like Jim Jones is
> > also abusing and neglecting the children - keeping in mind these are all
> > religions and the sexual abuse of the children were part of the belief
> > system.


> jim jones is dead.. and again if he was abusing kids, it was with the full
> help of the childs parent.


## Exactly - it was THEIR religious beliefs. So were we supposed to look
the other way and allow the constant abuse of children due to religious
beliefs of their parents.

> You forgot to mention the mormons in UTAH.. why?


## Because HE was arrested and is in prison. :) He's were he belongs.
He's a pedophile.

>
> misdirection and inability to reply on the constitution claim noted.


# Misdirection and smoke screens noted.

> > $$ Yeah,... we all have it.....what else can we expect from a

> fundamentalist
> > who would throw his own daughter and her infant into the streets of a

slum
> > to fend for themselves - in the name of his Watchtower god.


> You have no evidence of you claim above. You accusing me of a crime, which
> make you once agin a liar. Carol, when you **** like you just did. It well
> documented what happen in my house hold on the net.


# You told us PART of the story of what happened. She rejected your
suffocating and controlling religion and rebelled as so many Jehovah's
Witness teenagers do. You then tried everything to control her, to get her
back into the flock. When you couldn't, in shame you turned on her like a
wild animal. You gave her no love, understanding or help..... something in
your home was very, very wrong.

> you also view the readersof your reply as a simpleton idiots that you

belive
> may beleive anything you right must be true, because you say so.


# Anyone who cares too can do a search of Google and find out for
themselves.

in ARJW,
> everybody know you are forger and a liar and a slanderer. Now you have

just
> showed your true hatred among these aother newsgroups.
> the subject is about govermental interference on children behalf, due to
> religious beliefs.


# A search of Google will show what others think of you across Usenet.
You're a well known misogynistic, sadistic sociopath, pathological liar,
flame-starter and troll. Most people quickly killfile you. Some NGs have
even banned you you yourself whined about.

> now women, go home and service your husband, and let us educated one deal
> with the issue at hand.. your mouthfoaimng hatred is not wanted here.


# Describe how a JW wife "services" her husband. Do you JWs pay her?
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MiKrobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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"jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Well then, get the Watchtower to spend some of their billions for free
> > clinics where women and men can get the procedure done for free or at

low
> > cost.

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> why the watchtower.. then again why the goverment?..


$$ The Gov doesn't see a glob of cells as a baby.

you want to screwaround
> for pleasure pay for your own sterilization.


$$ So the JWs only have sex to produce a child? You must be some bunch of
frustrated people. LOL!!! :D No wonder you're so nasty and hateful......
--
MiKrobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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"jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Anyone who cares to waste their time can do a Google search on
> > "Jabriol"..... and see for themselves. :)

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> yeah sure.... nobody wastes their time on word of a preborn babykiller..


$$ I'm not a Dr. Only Dr's do abortions as far as I know. But then I don't
live in an inner city slum so can't speak for your neighborhood.

> how many globs of unwanted embryo cell did you killed.. uh.. get rid of?


$$ How many did your wife get rid of?
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MiKrobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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"jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> hey it wors both way... if guy deeps wangotan into the jungle and hurls,
> that is the purpose of sex, his has determine to procreate child. That is
> biology.

===================
Too bad you JWs don't see sex as something pleasurable to enjoy with the one
you love. What a shame to only have sex to produce a baby. That must be
very frustrating.......
--
Me & Them.......
The Watchtower, January 15, 1983, p. 27
" Fight Against Independent Thinking . Yet there
are some who point out that the organization has
had to make adjustments before (1975 fiasco etc), and so they argue:
'This shows that we have to make up our own mind
on what to believe.' (Which all people should do.) This is (dangerous)
independent thinking.
Why is it so dangerous? Such thinking is an evidence of pride." (Not pride
but intelligence).
When JWs start to THINK for themselves and ask questions they end up leaving
the WTS.
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"jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "~* Us & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > "JaBrIoL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > She has made the choice to enjoy sex - not to have an unwanted

child.
> > =========================================
> > > and thus throws herself to that group of people, who live a high risk
> > > lifestyle,

> >
> > ** High risk? It's high-risk


> SNIP...... misdirection and inability to answer the question


## Your misdirection and smoke screen noted.

> > and a person who has no concept of personal responsibility.


> > ** Birth-control fails. Didn't the WTS teach you that? Or are you
> > claiming people should only have sex when they WANT a baby?


> misdirection notice again..


## Your misdirection and smoke screen noted.

> > ** A ****? You mean a women with the audacity to want a sexual
> > relationship, but not an endless stream of unwanted babies? Only ****s
> > have a libido?


> a women, who want have plearue only by sex is a ****.. yes.


## So all women, even JW women who don't want a child every 2 years are
*****S* unless they refuse sex, or as you call servicing their husbands.
They cannot have any sex for the rest of their lives after one or two kids
that thy want. I can't find anything in the bible calling wives or lovers
****S for not wanting baby after baby after baby.....

> > who would want to live with a women like that?


> > ** You evidently, since your wife hasn't had a baby every 2 to 3 years

> since you're married.


> and you know this how?


## You told us yourself!

> >So looks like she's one of those "****s" you're always
> > talking about. A non-**** would have an endless stream of babies until
> > menopause.


> sounds about right.


## So you as much as called her a **** as taught you by the WTS.

> > > hire a women like that for a decent employment?


> > ** A women like what? Since when are women asked about their sex-life

> when applying for a job?


> golly you don't know nothing about background checks do you.. no of course
> not.


* Nor do you apparently. I suppose the WTS may have the FBI try and find
out if a JW woman had sex sometime in her life before they hire her. But I
live and worked in America. My sex life was of no interest to my employers.
You must still be existing in a communist country somewhere - and here you
told us you live in a Camden NJ slum.

> Does the Watchtower ask about their sex life and have a
> > gynecologist examine them before they're employed? Why would an

employer
> > care?


> interesting how many people are employed by the WTS?
> your claim is that they are all slaves?


* And these slaves are asked about their sex lives? How perverted and
disgusting can the WTS get?

> > > the only job for a women like that is ****hood. Use-once and throwaway
> > > sex toy.


> > ** Only in the eyes of fundamentalist misogynistic sociopaths like you.
> > They believe a women should lay there like a corpse since only ****S

enjoy
> > sex as much as men.


> only in world dominated by men eh Carol? you hatred for real men shows
> again..


* Only in a world no longer dominated by men, eh Jabriol? Your pathological
hatred for real women shows
again.. They're all ****S, they should "service" the JW men.... LOL!!!
:)

> Hey CAROL.. wake up.. the world is still run by men. the fedreral

goverment
> is ran by men. the control of finances is ran by men... pretend all you
> want..


* And this has what to do with ****S in the eyes of the WTS? What's the
connection?

> even your husband dominates you... ahhh I hear him calling now..
> go home and service him as a wife should..


* Mu husband isn't a misogynistic sociopath like YOU Jabriol. He's secure i
n his manhood and has no need to dominate or control women. Isn't that
great?

> > > it seems to me Carol that you fit the above, so.. how many Embryo and
> > > unwanted globs of cells have you killed?


> > ** No Jabriol - that fits your single unwed mother remember? Where was

> YOUR
> > father? Did he just "pork" your mother and take off thinking she was

just
> > another "****?" Another one-night stand? Is that why you're so

bitter
> > about this whole subject? You hated being raised in a slum on welfare?
> > That also fits your wife since she didn't have a child every 2 years

like
> a GOOD woman produces.
> > I had no need for abortion. I was married and believe in birth-control.
> > Did your wife have an abortion every few years?


> A simple answer would have surfice, instead you went to a full blown

attack.
> and then you deny it.


* You attacked first! Or is it only OK for a JW to attack first?

> well you are liar any way.. so now asnwer the question truthfully...
> . answer the question madamen irresposible women.. how many unwanted globs
> of cell you have disposed of??


* Oh, the same amount as your wife and mother disposed of........

did you pay for it?

* Did you pay for theirs?

welfare? your husband...

* Nope, I never needed welfare - do you?

> does he even know? were there his globs of unwanted cells?


* Where your wife's unwanted globs yours?
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MiKrobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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"jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > She has made the choice to enjoy sex - not to have an unwanted child.

========================================
>
> Biology.. does not care, what a women wants. the end result is

preganancy.

* And that's why we have birth-control and abortion.

> you can enjoy rights and displace resposabilities that goes along with the
> rights.


* Not everyone wants or can afford a new baby every few years.

> so tell us Carol, how may unwanted globes of cell you have rid yourself

of?

* So tell us Jabrioil, how may unwanted globes of cells has your wife rid
herself of? Is she allowed to use BC when she"services" you as you call it
or is she forced to bear one child after another after another........

> and does your son knows, that you killed off potential brothers and

sisters
> to make his life more enjoyable?


* And does your other children know that your wife killed off potential
brothers and sisters
to make their lives more enjoyable on welfare? Inquiring minds want to
know..... :0)
--
MiKrobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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"jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "~* Us & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > "JaBrIoL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > "JaBrIoL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > she made the choice once her leg spreads apart to recieve mister

> ****.
> > > > > do we have to get technical here?
> > > > ===============
> > > > Is THIS how you Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to speak to others?

> What
> > > > would MarkS, Mr Me and L. Perez think of this disgraceful

terminology?
> > No
> > > > wonder your daughter rejected your religion......

> >
> >
> > > Misdirection noted.

> >
> > ** Your profane

>
> snip with usels space of bandwidth...
>
>
 
"jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> how can a doctor do no harm, when the medical communith has declared blood
> as a dangerous.

=============================
Many medical procedures are dangerous. Does that mean we stop all surgery,
all dentistry?
--
Me & Them.......
The Watchtower, January 15, 1983, p. 27
" Fight Against Independent Thinking . Yet there
are some who point out that the organization has
had to make adjustments before (1975 fiasco etc), and so they argue:
'This shows that we have to make up our own mind
on what to believe.' (Which all people should do.) This is (dangerous)
independent thinking.
Why is it so dangerous? Such thinking is an evidence of pride." (Not pride
but intelligence).
When JWs start to THINK for themselves and ask questions they end up leaving
the WTS.
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"Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> > >
> > > Get your history straight. Most of the "founding fathers" were not
> > > Christians.
> > >
> > > --Rich
> > >
> > >

> >
> > You get history straightght, they had either one religious belief or
> > another, some were deist.

>
> And Deists were certainly NOT Christians. You might say, in fact, that
> Deists were the debunkers of Christian mysticism.
>
>
> > why do you think they added Freedom of Religion as
> > a basic right?

>
> Obviously to protect the nation from the Puritans and the Catholics who
> would have enthusiastically tried to establish a state religion.
>
> --Rich
>


more like protecting the landowner from the Anglican church who was headed
by the king of england...
 
Jabriol wrote
> how can a doctor do no harm, when the medical
> [community] has declared blood [to be] dangerous[?]


Was badly written but well thought.
And exactly on topic.

If the issue were merely religion vs safety,
safety is a compelling reason and wins.

The blood contamination problem and the danger side
of some vaccines are the secular issues which are
the straw that breaks the camels back.

The issue of safety is NOT as cut and dried as
many people like to think, considering bloodborn
pathogens and side effects/deaths caused by vaccines.

"First do no harm" is not all that simple when those two
parts come into the picture.

Do you know that the US government used to have
a fund to pay out when people died as a RESULT
of vaccines? It was severely restricted
or eliminated. There were too many claims.
So instead of fixing vaccines, they just quietly
neutered the compensation fund.

I'll bet nobody reading this ever heard of it.
Even the medical people.

I stumbled across it when reading Federal court cases.

And vaccines are of huge importance this winter
with the worst flu outbreak in decades.
A huge problem is that the set of vaccines being
given out do NOT match some of the ones going around.

I really am NOT saying don't vaccinate.

But I AM saying that there are good reasons NOT
to steamroller over people who do not believe in them.
- or secular people who just don't trust them.

I am NOT saying for sure that government should
not have over-ruled the parents about giving the
newborn a blood transfusion.

I AM saying that there are many good reasons
why the state had better PROVIDE overwelming
conclusive proof that the dangers of GIVING
the transfusion outweigh the dangers of NOT
giving the transfusion. I AM expressing
the experience that the COURT often just
rubber stamps such important things without
genuine discourse, informed opinion, or
reflection. On one doctor's ""word"".
 
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> "jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > $$ So we should look the other way, because of the constitution and

> your
> > > god, when a child is dying for lack of blood, a Koresh is raping and
> > > sexually abusing all the little girls in his sect.

> >
> > If Koresh were raping little girls.. it was because the girls parents

were
> > agreeing to it, as part of thier religious beliefs.

>
> ## They agreed because it was their religious belief. Should the law

have
> stopped this disgusting religious practice or not?
>


You might called it discussing, I may call it discussing. I also find it
discussing the law has an age of consent. before I answer what was the age
of consent in waco texas?


> The Goverment did not
> > intervene he compound, based on child abuse allegations. they went after
> > weapons violations.

>
> ## Not entirely, the child abuse was rumored for some time before the

Gov'
> stepped in.



rumours are exactly that.... rumours.
>
> > > and men like Jim Jones is
> > > also abusing and neglecting the children - keeping in mind these are

all
> > > religions and the sexual abuse of the children were part of the belief
> > > system.

>
> > jim jones is dead.. and again if he was abusing kids, it was with the

full
> > help of the childs parent.

>
> ## Exactly - it was THEIR religious beliefs. So were we supposed to look
> the other way and allow the constant abuse of children due to religious
> beliefs of their parents.



again what was the age of consent?

and by the way, you agree with sending children to unsupervise sex parties
at motels... is that not child abuse?



>
> > You forgot to mention the mormons in UTAH.. why?

>
> ## Because HE was arrested and is in prison. :) He's were he belongs.
> He's a pedophile.
>
> >
> > misdirection and inability to reply on the constitution claim noted.

>
> # Misdirection and smoke screens noted.
>
> > > $$ Yeah,... we all have it.....what else can we expect from a

> > fundamentalist
> > > who would throw his own daughter and her infant into the streets of a

> slum
> > > to fend for themselves - in the name of his Watchtower god.

>
> > You have no evidence of you claim above. You accusing me of a crime,

which
> > make you once agin a liar. Carol, when you **** like you just did. It

well
> > documented what happen in my house hold on the net.

>
> # You told us PART of the story of what happened. She rejected your
> suffocating and controlling religion and rebelled as so many Jehovah's
> Witness teenagers do. You then tried everything to control her, to get

her
> back into the flock. When you couldn't, in shame you turned on her like

a
> wild animal. You gave her no love, understanding or help..... something

in
> your home was very, very wrong.
>
> > you also view the readersof your reply as a simpleton idiots that you

> belive
> > may beleive anything you right must be true, because you say so.

>
> # Anyone who cares too can do a search of Google and find out for
> themselves.
>
> in ARJW,
> > everybody know you are forger and a liar and a slanderer. Now you have

> just
> > showed your true hatred among these aother newsgroups.
> > the subject is about govermental interference on children behalf, due to
> > religious beliefs.

>
> # A search of Google will show what others think of you across Usenet.
> You're a well known misogynistic, sadistic sociopath, pathological liar,
> flame-starter and troll. Most people quickly killfile you. Some NGs have
> even banned you you yourself whined about.
>
> > now women, go home and service your husband, and let us educated one

deal
> > with the issue at hand.. your mouthfoaimng hatred is not wanted here.

>
> # Describe how a JW wife "services" her husband. Do you JWs pay her?
> --
> MiKrobez......
> (Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
> himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
> JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
> ====================================================><>
>
>
>
 
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> "jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > ## Because you despised your own daughter, and didn't value her life

or
> > her
> > > infants life that doesn't mean everyone is a sadistic, anti-social

> > sociopath
> > > like you. You've been misled by the WTS to believe this.

> =======================
> > ad hominen attack based on a lies.. noted..
> > ye sink yet another step in cesspool of your own spewed trash..

>
> $ Misdirection and smoke screen NOTED.
> --
>


yup you are good at that.. no need to tell us what you already do..

so.. how many unwanted globes of cell have you disposed of?
was your son also a glob of cells.. and you missed the cutoff date?
 
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> "jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > hey it wors both way... if guy deeps wangotan into the jungle and hurls,
> > that is the purpose of sex, his has determine to procreate child. That

is
> > biology.

> ===================
> Too bad you JWs don't see sex as something pleasurable to enjoy with the

one
> you love.


of course we do. and we normally marry the one we love as well. Not sleep
around until we consider who is the best in bed.. thbose are for ****s and
whores, male and female.


What a shame to only have sex to produce a baby. That must be
> very frustrating.......


matter of opinion.. if sex was not enjoyable, nobody would engage in it.
 
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> "jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > She has made the choice to enjoy sex - not to have an unwanted child.

> ========================================
> >
> > Biology.. does not care, what a women wants. the end result is

> preganancy.
>
> * And that's why we have birth-control and abortion.


ahhh yess abortion, the escape of an irresponsible ****...
>
> > you can enjoy rights and displace resposabilities that goes along with

the
> > rights.

>
> * Not everyone wants or can afford a new baby every few years.


not every women are force to engage in sex either.


>
> > so tell us Carol, how may unwanted globes of cell you have rid yourself

> of?
>
> * So tell us Jabrioil, how may unwanted globes of cells has your wife rid
> herself of? Is she allowed to use BC when she"services" you as you call

it
> or is she forced to bear one child after another after another........
>


well since we dont practice abortion, I would say none.. as for her service,
well she follow the scriptures.. uh.. so do I.. yes, I service her as well..
no complaints. as the bible percsribe..

but we all notice your failure to answer the question..

so we take that as yes..

we shall now call you the embryo exterminator...


> > and does your son knows, that you killed off potential brothers and

> sisters
> > to make his life more enjoyable?

>
> * And does your other children know that your wife killed off potential
> brothers and sisters
> to make their lives more enjoyable on welfare? Inquiring minds want to
> know..... :0)



well since we dont live on welfare, nor practice abortion..
you have your answer...


but we all know that you refuse to answer.. so yes we know that you have
killed your own embryos..
carol the embryo assasin..

> --
> MiKrobez......
> (Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
> himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
> JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
> ====================================================><>
>
>
>
 
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As a parent, I DEMAND that right.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > * You demand the right to allow a child who has the chance

for
> a
> > > > NORMAL
> > > > life
> > > > > > > > die? Perhaps you need to relocate to a less advanced

country
> > where
> > > > no
> > > > one
> > > > > > > > cares much about the children.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > says a person who agree with abortion. When you kill preborn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you mean fetus, unless you find the word preborn in a

> > dictionary
> > > > > > somewhere.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > call it a fetus, enbryo, what ever you like... what ever you wish

to
> > call
> > > > it
> > > > > has the potential of becoming a human being. No other organ or

cell
> in
> > the
> > > > > women body will serve the purpose as an embryo would. If a women

> > wants a
> > > > > child, that the process it going to take to get one, wether it be

> from
> > her
> > > > > own uterus, or another surogate, or invitro and grown in a lab.

> remove
> > the
> > > > > embryo, or fetus and cut it up via planned abortion, and the

child
> > that
> > > > > would have been is no longer..
> > > > >
> > > > > better?
> > > > A little bit better, thanks.
> > > > Now as to what we are talking about, the key word is potential, not

is
> a
> > > > human yet, just potential. So since this is only a fetus potentially
> > > > becoming a child, then at this time it should only be the mothers

> > choice,
> > > > not mine, not yours, or anyone elses either. The women's choice

only.
> > She
> > > > should be the only one to make that final decision, whether or not

we
> > like
> > > > it.
> > >
> > > she made the choice once her leg spreads apart to recieve mister ****.

> >
> > Not always, but I think you know that.
> >
> > > do we have to get technical here?

> >
> > If you want to convince us, yes.
> >
> >

>
> You are basicly saying, that a women and man as well, can have sex, with a
> women. knowing full well that the consequence of their action may

produce..
> fetus, embryo, that has the potential of being born as a human being.


The key word here is potential.

> so the moment a women wilfully engage in sex, she has made the choice to
> have a kid... that is biology, and can not be changed, until science can
> grow babies in a cabbage patch.
>

First off just wanting sex does not imply wanting a baby, which means she
has not made a choice to have a child or not.
If science can accomplish the goal of bringing a sperm and egg together and
help it grow into a child, then this arguement is moot.
 
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> "jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > Anyone who cares to waste their time can do a Google search on
> > > "Jabriol"..... and see for themselves. :)

> =========================================
> > yeah sure.... nobody wastes their time on word of a preborn babykiller..

>
>
> $$ How many did your wife get rid of?
> --


none..

how about you..??
 
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> "jabriol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > how can a doctor do no harm, when the medical communith has declared

blood
> > as a dangerous.

> =============================
> Many medical procedures are dangerous. Does that mean we stop all

surgery,
> all dentistry?
> --
>


misdirection noted once again.. failure to answer noted.
 
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> >
> > "~* Me & Them *~" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > She has made the choice to enjoy sex - not to have an unwanted child.

> ========================================
> >
> > Biology.. does not care, what a women wants. the end result is

> preganancy.
>
> * And that's why we have birth-control and abortion.
>
> > you can enjoy rights and displace resposabilities that goes along with the
> > rights.

>
> * Not everyone wants or can afford a new baby every few years.
>
> > so tell us Carol, how may unwanted globes of cell you have rid yourself

> of?
>
> * So tell us Jabrioil, how may unwanted globes of cells has your wife rid
> herself of? Is she allowed to use BC when she"services" you as you call it
> or is she forced to bear one child after another after another........
>
> > and does your son knows, that you killed off potential brothers and

> sisters
> > to make his life more enjoyable?

>
> * And does your other children know that your wife killed off potential
> brothers and sisters
> to make their lives more enjoyable on welfare? Inquiring minds want to
> know..... :0)



If they don't want your blood then let them die, it's no loss to the world.
 
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> yup you are good at that.. no need to tell us what you already do..


## Misdirection noted.

> so.. how many unwanted globes of cell have you disposed of?


## The same number your wife disposed of.

> was your son also a glob of cells.. and you missed the cutoff date?


## Was yours?
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himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
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> "><> ><> | <>< <><" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > ## They agreed because it was their religious belief. Should the law

> have
> > stopped this disgusting religious practice or not?


> You might called it discussing, I may call it discussing. I also find it
> discussing the law has an age of consent. before I answer what was the

age
> of consent in waco texas?


** You tell us! It sure wasn't 11 and 12 years old. So if it's 14 and the
girl is 14 that makes his sexual molestation right?

> > ## Not entirely, the child abuse was rumored for some time before the

> Gov'
> > stepped in.


> rumours are exactly that.... rumours.


** Until the girls THEMSELVES told what happened afterward - then the
"rumors" became fact.

> > ## Exactly - it was THEIR religious beliefs. So were we supposed to

look
> > the other way and allow the constant abuse of children due to religious
> > beliefs of their parents.


> again what was the age of consent?


** Again: You tell us! It sure wasn't 11 and 12 years old. So if it's 14
and the girl is 14 that makes his sexual molestation right?

> and by the way, you agree with sending children to unsupervise sex parties
> at motels... is that not child abuse?


** Tell us what happened again........ give us all the details since you
CLAIM YOU WERE THERE. What were you doing at a **GASP** unsupervised sex
party for little boys and girls 4 to 7 years old? LOL!!!! What was the
name of that fancy Hotel and it's Catering Hall again? Were you there to
sneak a little boy away from his mommy to "service" you?

> > > may beleive anything you right must be true, because you say so.


> > # Anyone who cares too can do a search of Google and find out for
> > themselves.

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himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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