running on roads or grass??

Discussion in 'General Fitness' started by Liam Muldowney, Feb 11, 2004.

  1. Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no. Training
    for my first marathon and have been running on grass and over fields now for a while. It has stopped
    the shin splints and I'm up to ten miles for my long run, (taking it slowly). When should I start
    running on roads? Surely not on marathon day!!

    Liam
     
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  2. C.G.

    C.G. Guest

    When's the marathon?

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    Colm

    "Liam Muldowney" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    : Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no.
    : Training for my first marathon and have been running on grass and over fields now for a while. It
    : has stopped the shin splints and I'm up to ten miles for my long run, (taking it slowly). When
    : should I start running on roads? Surely not on marathon day!!
    :
    : Liam
    :
    :
     
  3. jobin

    jobin Guest

    start now. start with 1 mile on the road on one of your runs. if it feels alright, do it for a few
    days more, before increasing the distance. of course, how soon you increase the distance on the
    roads will depend on how much time you have left before marathon day.

    it might also be helpful if we knew what kind of shoes you are wearing. the specific brand and how
    old they are.

    jobs

    Liam Muldowney <[email protected]> wrote: ...
    > When should I start running on roads? Surely not on marathon day!!

    > Liam
     
  4. Bob Burns

    Bob Burns Guest

    Liam Muldowney wrote:
    > Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no.
    > Training for my first marathon and have been running on grass and over fields now for a while. It
    > has stopped the shin splints and I'm up to ten miles for my long run, (taking it slowly). When
    > should I start running on roads? Surely not on marathon day!!
    >
    > Liam

    I always thougt that blacktop was easier on my legs than concrete. TRails and grass even better! ON
    the other hand, grass takes more energy to run through. I'd try to do the long run once a week on
    blacktop, at least some of it.

    BTW, I cured a bad case of shin-splints a long time ago by changing shoe brands.

    --
    Bob Burns Mill Hall PA [email protected]
     
  5. Sam

    Sam Guest

    I would ease into the road running. Asphalt roads might be a little better than concrete roads.

    You do not want to get the first long run on marathon day!

    "Liam Muldowney" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no.
    > Training for my first marathon and have been running
    on
    > grass and over fields now for a while. It has stopped the shin splints and I'm up to ten miles
    > for my long run, (taking it slowly). When should I start running on roads? Surely not on
    > marathon day!!
    >
    > Liam
     
  6. Drlith

    Drlith Guest

    "Liam Muldowney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no.
    > Training for my first marathon and have been running
    on
    > grass and over fields now for a while. It has stopped the shin splints and I'm up to ten miles
    > for my long run, (taking it slowly). When should I start running on roads? Surely not on
    > marathon day!!

    The _Runner's World Complete Guide to Trail Running_ mentions an incident of a guy who did all his
    marathon training on natural surface trails and wound up with multiple stress fractures in his
    pelvis during the race because his bones were not used to the pounding of concrete. So your
    instincts are correct--you shouldn't wait until marathon day to hit the street!

    That said--shin splints can be caused by many different problems (in fact, there are two different
    types of pain that are commonly labeled "shin splints, and they are preventable (even on concrete)
    if you know what's causing them in the first place. Some possibilities: too fast a pace, increasing
    distance too quickly, overstriding (esp. a problem if you run hills and go too fast on the
    downhills), and bad shoes.
     
  7. "Liam Muldowney" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > running on roads or grass??

    Running on grass is highly preferable (pun intended) but if you get a low-grade of grass that makes
    you cough a lot it can be counterproductive. I smoke 2 doobies of Hydro before my runs, and it works
    great for me.
     
  8. Aw

    Aw Guest

    "Liam Muldowney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no.
    > Training for my first marathon and have been running
    on
    > grass and over fields now for a while. It has stopped the shin splints and I'm up to ten miles
    > for my long run, (taking it slowly). When should I start running on roads? Surely not on
    > marathon day!!
    >
    > Liam

    Running on grass & trails is great for strengthening some of the smaller muscle groups in your lower
    legs & ankles. But road running is not as "harsh" as many claim. I find it easier to run on concrete
    & asphalt simply because I can "hear" my foot-falls. When you can hear your foot-falls, you can
    adjust easily the hardness of your landing until you're running quiet and soft. On grass, all of my
    footfalls are quiet regardless of actual impact. On dirt and crushed gravel, my foot-falls are the
    same volume no matter how hard or soft of an impact I make. Thus when I get tired, I don't have that
    auditory cue that tells me I'm pounding the ground.

    On marathon day, when you start to get tired, be sure to listen to your foot-falls, and adjust your
    landing accordingly. It can really reduce orthopedic stress & potential injury. You'll enjoy your
    long runs more, and recover faster.

    Maybe Ozzie will post something on "running quietly." If not, look in his FAQ.

    Good luck.
     
  9. Steve Hansen

    Steve Hansen Guest

    Liam Muldowney wrote:

    > Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no.
    > Training for my first marathon and have been running on grass and over fields now for a while. It
    > has stopped the shin splints and I'm up to ten miles for my long run, (taking it slowly). When
    > should I start running on roads? Surely not on marathon day!!
    >

    My brother did all of his training on tracks and trails, and then went to run a marathon. The
    marathon was on paved streets. He didn't realize that there is a difference in the surfaces, until
    he blew his knees out during the race. That was 6 years ago. He still can't run.

    Running on a hard surface requires a different technique. You have to bend more, to absorb the shock
    of each landing. That takes more strength in some muscles, and it takes training. It takes time and
    training to develop a technique that accommodates the hard surface without over-stressing any part
    of your body.

    If you are going to race on pavement, you need to train on pavement.
     
  10. C. Castle

    C. Castle Guest

    Running on grass is sweet but the darn dog poo is hidden among the grass.
     
  11. Eno

    Eno Guest

    "Liam Muldowney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no.
    > Training for my first marathon and have been running
    on
    > grass and over fields now for a while. It has stopped the shin splints and I'm up to ten miles
    > for my long run, (taking it slowly). When should I start running on roads? Surely not on
    > marathon day!!

    My take on this may be a bit different than some. I do all my long runs (weather allowing) on
    asphalt. The idea is to teach your legs and brain what it feels like to go long on the surface you
    will be using on race day. These days, my other runs take place on a treadmill, but I used to mix
    that a little bit more, with some runs on the streets around my house. I'm missing the outdoors :(,
    but the treadmill is actually helping me run faster. ;)

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    "If you can't go fast, go long."
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  12. ahass

    ahass Guest

    After tying Salazar's record for marathon debut time with a 2:09 in Chicago, 2002, Alan Culpepper
    answered that the one thing he would have done differently in training is to run more on the roads.
    Indeed, while trails/grass are easier on you, you can't expect to handle 26.2 on roads if you don't
    do any training on roads. My advice would be to continue doing ALMOST ALL of your easy running on
    the grass. Start doing some medium-long runs on the pavement for a few weeks, and when you can
    handle it start doing your long run and tempo (or most faster-paced) work on the pavement. That way
    your body will get used to running long or hard on the pavement and condition itself to handle the
    impact, yet the bulk of your training will be lower-impact trails/grass. This will give you the most
    "bang for your buck". That all being said, I train nearly 100 mpw all on pavement. But it took me
    quite awile to build up to that amount, and it's not by choice. If I had trails to run on I'd be
    doing 70 mpw off the pavement and only 30 mpw on the pavement. Andy Hass
     
  13. Eno

    Eno Guest

    "Steve Hansen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Liam Muldowney wrote:
    >
    > > Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no.
    > > Training for my first marathon and have been
    running on
    > > grass and over fields now for a while. It has stopped the shin splints
    and
    > > I'm up to ten miles for my long run, (taking it slowly). When should I start running on roads?
    > > Surely not on marathon day!!
    > >
    >
    > My brother did all of his training on tracks and trails, and then went to run a marathon. The
    > marathon was on paved streets. He didn't realize that there is a difference in the surfaces, until
    > he blew his knees out during the race. That was 6 years ago. He still can't run.
    >
    > Running on a hard surface requires a different technique. You have to bend more, to absorb the
    > shock of each landing. That takes more strength in some muscles, and it takes training. It takes
    > time and training to develop a technique that accommodates the hard surface without over-stressing
    > any part of your body.

    I would state this a bit differently: you can't get by road running without proper technique, but
    even on softer surfaces, one should practice good technique. Road running/racing forces you to use
    proper technique because your body immediately complains in the less forgiving environment. During
    many of my outdoor asphalt runs, I can sense my body adjusting, until by the end of the run, I can
    hardly hear my foot strike. This sort of feedback may be missing on softer surfaces, but, again, one
    should still practice proper technique. One reason I like running on treadmills is that even though
    the surface is more forgiving, foot-strike tends to be louder, thus providing feedback, if not
    through your joints.

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    "If you can't go fast, go long."
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  14. Scott

    Scott Guest

    Do most of you live in rural areas? If not, where are you finding all these grass trails to run on?
    I live in suburbia, as many do, and grass is hard to come by unless you run across people's lawns,
    which has its own risks (or so I hear...).

    eNo wrote in message ...
    >"Liam Muldowney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no.
    >> Training for my first marathon and have been running
    >on
    >> grass and over fields now for a while. It has stopped the shin splints
    and
    >> I'm up to ten miles for my long run, (taking it slowly). When should I start running on roads?
    >> Surely not on marathon day!!
    >
    >
    >My take on this may be a bit different than some. I do all my long runs (weather allowing) on
    >asphalt. The idea is to teach your legs and brain
    what
    >it feels like to go long on the surface you will be using on race day.
    These
    >days, my other runs take place on a treadmill, but I used to mix that a little bit more, with some
    >runs on the streets around my house. I'm missing the outdoors :(, but the treadmill is actually
    >helping me run faster. ;)
    >
    >--
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  15. Don Kirkman

    Don Kirkman Guest

    It seems to me I heard somewhere that AW wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:

    >"Liam Muldowney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> Most of the books and magazine articles I've read say that running on concrete is a no no.
    >> Training for my first marathon and have been running
    >on
    >> grass and over fields now for a while. It has stopped the shin splints and I'm up to ten miles
    >> for my long run, (taking it slowly). When should I start running on roads? Surely not on
    >> marathon day!!

    >Running on grass & trails is great for strengthening some of the smaller muscle groups in your
    >lower legs & ankles. But road running is not as "harsh" as many claim. I find it easier to run on
    >concrete & asphalt simply because I can "hear" my foot-falls. When you can hear your foot-falls,
    >you can adjust easily the hardness of your landing until you're running quiet and soft. On grass,
    >all of my footfalls are quiet regardless of actual impact. On dirt and crushed gravel, my foot-
    >falls are the same volume no matter how hard or soft of an impact I make. Thus when I get tired, I
    >don't have that auditory cue that tells me I'm pounding the ground.

    A big me too. I've run for about 25 years, 27 marathons, and probably 90% has been on either
    concrete or asphalt. I've always thought that between the cushioning in shoes and the natural flex
    structure of legs and feet the hardness of the running surface is an insignificant factor. The
    surface is also more likely to be even, reducing the possibility of trips and falls.

    IMO trails and grass have one advantage--they flex the muscles differently from the hard flat
    surfaces, thus adding a touch of cross-stressing and all-around strengthening.

    I've had only three problems in those years. I had plantar fasciitis with an incipient spur, but my
    podiatrist (whose brother was also a podiatrist and an ultra runner) said it was not related to
    running. Later, I had what was apparently adhesions in a thigh muscle--a fall while hiking broke
    them loose, they healed within days, and have never come back. And, finally, I'm developing
    arthritis in the spine, one hip, and one knee. The knee problem showed up one day after doing some
    plumbing repairs, not while I was running, though I needed time off to recover from it. Neither the
    spine nor the hip have interfered with running or with golf, where I walk. I've begun running again,
    building my mileage, and the knee continues to feel better.
    --
    Don [email protected]
     
  16. Eno

    Eno Guest

    "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Do most of you live in rural areas? If not, where are you finding all
    these
    > grass trails to run on? I live in suburbia, as many do, and grass is hard
    to
    > come by unless you run across people's lawns, which has its own risks (or
    so
    > I hear...).

    There was a thread a while back around running in cemeteries... Most urban areas have those. Golf
    courses are another avenue if you're fast enough to dodge the errant balls. BTW, all urban all the
    time this side of the world.

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  17. C.G.

    C.G. Guest

    I live in a city (Dublin) but in the centre, where I work, is a large park. The perimeter is about 8
    miles so it's a perfect lunchtime workout. The perimeter is all trail.

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    Colm

    "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    : Do most of you live in rural areas? If not, where are you finding all these grass trails to run
    : on? I live in suburbia, as many do, and grass is hard to come by unless you run across people's
    : lawns, which has its own risks (or so I hear...).
     
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