saddle recommendation for hemero^H^H^H haemorh^H^H^piles sufferer

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  1. Dennis

    Dennis Guest

    Went for my first ride in 40 years last Sunday, along the canal, did 15 miles in 2.5 hours, ok, I
    took it steadyish, (worst part was getting to the cut) and I only had one unplanned dismount
    (luckily the nettle side not the wet side). I reckon I need a bench seat out of a Hillman (remember
    them?). Anyway, came back with a dose of the *ahem* piles. Any suggestions anyone? Seems to me that
    I need a saddle at least as wide as the old cheeks :D Den
    P.S. This will cause a rumpus - what kind of saddle do you ladies use? ;)
     
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  2. Peter Clinch

    Peter Clinch Guest

    Dennis wrote:

    > Anyway, came back with a dose of the *ahem* piles. Any suggestions anyone? Seems to me that I need
    > a saddle at least as wide as the old cheeks :D Den
    > P.S. This will cause a rumpus - what kind of saddle do you ladies use? ;)

    Different saddles suit different people, with some of us very happy on what others see as torture
    equipment: there's no substitute for trying out different ones. Having said that, a few common
    points in saddle discussions would include:

    - Georgina Terry saddles with cutouts are often liked, especially by the ladies (the Liberator is
    the Classic Example)

    - Lots of people really rate Brooks traditional leather saddles: don't be put off by the lack
    of padding

    - Specialised Body Geometry saddles seem to be Love or Hate polarisers (hate 'em myself, others find
    them really very good).

    - good quality cycling shorts with a padded insert sewn in make a big difference to comfort

    - squishy saddles do not generally equate to more comfort riding, even though you might think they
    would when pawing them in the shop.

    - original equipment saddles on cheaper bikes are often generally more fit for the bin than for
    riding on.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email protected]
    http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
     
  3. Velvet

    Velvet Guest

    "Dennis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Went for my first ride in 40 years last Sunday, along the canal, did 15 miles in 2.5 hours, ok, I
    > took it steadyish, (worst part was getting to
    the
    > cut) and I only had one unplanned dismount (luckily the nettle side not
    the
    > wet side). I reckon I need a bench seat out of a Hillman (remember them?). Anyway, came back with
    > a dose of the *ahem* piles. Any suggestions anyone? Seems to me that I need a saddle at least as
    > wide as the old cheeks :D Den
    > P.S. This will cause a rumpus - what kind of saddle do you ladies use? ;)
    >
    >

    Selle italia octavia lady. Lovely saddle - narrow, firm with a few areas of mild padding - but
    importantly, JUST wide enough to support BOTH sit bones (rather than just 1.5 of them, as my San
    Marco Rolls Classic used to). No cut-outs or holes in it, though.

    Velvet
     
  4. Jose Marques

    Jose Marques Guest

    On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Dennis wrote:

    > Anyway, came back with a dose of the *ahem* piles. Any suggestions anyone?

    Don't eat curry the day before you go cyling.

    --
    Jose Marques
     
  5. Frank X

    Frank X Guest

    "Velvet" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Selle italia octavia lady. Lovely saddle - narrow, firm with a few areas
    of
    > mild padding - but importantly, JUST wide enough to support BOTH sit bones (rather than just 1.5
    > of them, as my San Marco Rolls Classic used to). No cut-outs or holes in it, though.
    >

    Isn't that the whole point, women's saddles are made to fit fat arses ^H^H^H^H^H wide sit bones.

    So they probably still wouldn't suit Dennis' grapes.
     
  6. Dennis

    Dennis Guest

    "Frank X" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Isn't that the whole point, women's saddles are made to fit fat arses ^H^H^H^H^H wide sit bones.
    >
    > So they probably still wouldn't suit Dennis' grapes.

    LOL Frank, but don't hold back, why don't you say what you mean? ;) Den.
     
  7. "Dennis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:MmeNa.64943$%[email protected]...
    >
    > "Frank X" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > Isn't that the whole point, women's saddles are made to fit fat arses ^H^H^H^H^H wide sit bones.
    > >
    > > So they probably still wouldn't suit Dennis' grapes.
    >
    > LOL Frank, but don't hold back, why don't you say what you mean? ;)

    I'm finding that it's more of a problem with a Brooks B17 (narrow-ish) saddle than a B66 (wide) one,
    so I think wider may be the way to go. But whatever happens, it will need a narrow nose. I think
    Brooks may be the way to go.

    Ambrose
     
  8. Velvet

    Velvet Guest

    "Frank X" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Velvet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Selle italia octavia lady. Lovely saddle - narrow, firm with a few
    areas
    > of
    > > mild padding - but importantly, JUST wide enough to support BOTH sit
    bones
    > > (rather than just 1.5 of them, as my San Marco Rolls Classic used to).
    No
    > > cut-outs or holes in it, though.
    > >
    >
    > Isn't that the whole point, women's saddles are made to fit fat arses ^H^H^H^H^H wide sit bones.
    >
    > So they probably still wouldn't suit Dennis' grapes.
    >
    >

    Tsk. For me - 90% women's saddles are TOO wide! The Octavia is anything but. It's about time SOME
    PEOPLE woke up to the fact that there's women with small pelvises, women with wide pelvesis, and men
    with small pelvises, and wide ones - and made saddles in a better range than just 'blokes are
    skinnies, womens are huge'. And the positioning of the sit bones has nothing to do with the amout of
    blubber on top of it :p

    Feh.

    Velvet
     
  9. Peter Clinch

    Peter Clinch Guest

    Velvet wrote:

    > Tsk. For me - 90% women's saddles are TOO wide! The Octavia is anything but. It's about time SOME
    > PEOPLE woke up to the fact that there's women with small pelvises, women with wide pelvesis, and
    > men with small pelvises, and wide ones - and made saddles in a better range than just 'blokes are
    > skinnies, womens are huge'.

    Velvet, enormous amounts of anatomical research have gone into making equipment which doesn't
    *quite* fit anybody, so that nobody feels left out! ;-/ With the enormous upsurge of "women's
    specific" equipment for all sorts of outdoor pursuits, I note that practically every woman I know
    that's ever bought any, be they waifs, quite sizeable or anywhere in between, complains they can't
    find any that fits *them* properly. Where do these people get their tailor's dummies?

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email protected]
    http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
     
  10. >P.S. This will cause a rumpus - what kind of saddle do you ladies use? ;)

    Terry's Liberator TiLite. Love it. Can ride for miles and don't even know it's there.
    Lovely & comfy.

    Cheers, helen s

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  11. > Any suggestions anyone?

    Don't lean into left-hand corners too much, in case the Chalfonts get tangled in the chain...!

    Pete.
     
  12. Graeme

    Graeme Guest

    "Peter Connolly" <[email protected]> wrote in news:be467a
    [email protected]:

    >> Any suggestions anyone?
    >
    > Don't lean into left-hand corners too much, in case the Chalfonts get tangled in the chain...!

    Euch! I feel quite ill now :-/

    Graeme
     
  13. Just Zis Guy

    Just Zis Guy Guest

    On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 00:12:12 GMT, "Dennis" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >came back with a dose of the *ahem* piles. Any suggestions anyone?

    End arse pain misery with New! Improved! Recumbent :)

    Guy
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  14. Msa

    Msa Guest

    "wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > >Isn't that the whole point, women's saddles are made to fit fat arses ^H^H^H^H^H wide sit bones.
    > >
    >
    > Yes, some women have fat arses, in the same way some men have fat mouths
    ;-)
    >
    > Cheers, helen s

    Wooh, Wooh...go Helen, go Helen, go Helen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :)

    --
    Mark

    "Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak"
     
  15. Ningi

    Ningi Guest

    Dennis wrote:
    > Went for my first ride in 40 years last Sunday, along the canal, did 15 miles in 2.5 hours, ok, I
    > took it steadyish, (worst part was getting to the cut) and I only had one unplanned dismount
    > (luckily the nettle side not the wet side). I reckon I need a bench seat out of a Hillman
    > (remember them?). Anyway, came back with a dose of the *ahem* piles. Any suggestions anyone? Seems
    > to me that I need a saddle at least as wide as the old cheeks :D Den
    > P.S. This will cause a rumpus - what kind of saddle do you ladies use? ;)
    >
    >

    Well, I'm of the larger persuasion and had a similar problem a few times when I started cycling
    again a few months ago. The problem went away fairly quickly and hasn't reappeared (touch wood.. or
    something)

    What solved it for me was :

    Cycle shorts Brooks B17 leather saddle Regular cycling

    2.5 hours cycling after 40 years off is quite a stiff start, I would say. Maybe regular bike rides
    will toughen up the parts that are affected?

    Best of luck!

    Pete
     
  16. Velvet

    Velvet Guest

    "Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Velvet wrote:
    >
    > > Tsk. For me - 90% women's saddles are TOO wide! The Octavia is
    anything
    > > but. It's about time SOME PEOPLE woke up to the fact that there's women with small pelvises,
    > > women with wide pelvesis, and men with small
    pelvises,
    > > and wide ones - and made saddles in a better range than just 'blokes are skinnies, womens are
    > > huge'.
    >
    > Velvet, enormous amounts of anatomical research have gone into making equipment which doesn't
    > *quite* fit anybody, so that nobody feels left out! ;-/ With the enormous upsurge of "women's
    > specific" equipment for all sorts of outdoor pursuits, I note that practically every woman I know
    > that's ever bought any, be they waifs, quite sizeable or anywhere in between, complains they can't
    > find any that fits *them* properly. Where do these people get their tailor's dummies?
    >
    > Pete.
    > --
    > Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells
    > Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email protected]
    > http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
    >

    Yes, I know this :) I was countering the poster who inferred all womens saddles are made huge cos
    all women have fat arses, but trying to not lose my rag over it. I see helen's done a FAR better job
    than I at it though - I have to agree wholeheartedly with her comment ;-)

    Velvet
     
  17. In article <[email protected]>, dated Fri, 04 Jul 2003
    08:51:11 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email protected]> says...
    >- good quality cycling shorts with a padded insert sewn in make a big difference to comfort
    >
    >- squishy saddles do not generally equate to more comfort riding, even though you might think they
    > would when pawing them in the shop.

    People around here seem to agree with these two statements, but I can't see how they are not
    contracting each other. What difference does it make which side of the interface the padding is on?

    --
    Michael Klontzas Before enlightenment / chopping wood / carrying water After enlightenment /
    chopping wood / carrying water Zen Proverb
     
  18. Richard M

    Richard M Guest

    On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:48:51 +0100, "Ambrose Nankivell"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    snip
    >I'm finding that it's more of a problem with a Brooks B17 (narrow-ish) saddle than a B66 (wide)
    >one, so I think wider may be the way to go. But whatever happens, it will need a narrow nose. I
    >think Brooks may be the way to go.
    >

    Just brought the wifey a Brooks Champion Flyer S this is probably as wide as a standard Brooks B17
    but with a shorter nose. I use a Brooks Professional myself. After the first ride it is the most
    comfortable saddle you can get (IMHO of course) :) Cheers Richard

    Please remove THIS if replying
     
  19. Peter Clinch

    Peter Clinch Guest

    Michael Klontzas wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, dated Fri, 04 Jul 2003=20
    > 08:51:11 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email protected]> says...
    >=20
    >>- good quality cycling shorts with a padded insert sewn in make a big=20 difference to comfort
    >>
    >>- squishy saddles do not generally equate to more comfort riding, even =

    >>though you might think they would when pawing them in the shop.
    >=20
    > People around here seem to agree with these two statements, but I can't=
    =20
    > see how they are not contracting each other. What difference does it=20 make which side of the
    > interface the padding is on?

    Squishy saddles have a large amount of reasonably mobile gel with no=20 air, while short inserts
    have a small amount of pretty much stationary=20 foam which does it's padding with air. The saddle
    gel will compress=20 under the pressure points so it's not so soft any more and be squeezed=20 out
    into adjacent areas, putting pressure on them. The short insert=20 will just provide a little
    padding, enough to make a difference but not=20 much more, and squashing one bit won't move the foam
    about to another,=20 it'll just push most of the air out.

    Or so says theory, anyway. In practice I find that, having tried all=20 sorts of alternatives, a
    nice smooth Brooks and a good pair of proper=20 padded shorts is the nicest way to treat one's bum
    on a bike short of=20 getting one with a comfy chair (which I have done, and is vastly=20
    preferable, but you can get okay cycling shorts and a Brooks for less=20 than =A350 the pair, and
    you can't get get a recumbent for that).

    Pete. --=20 Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics,
    Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email protected]
    http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
     
  20. "Velvet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Yes, I know this :) I was countering the poster who inferred all womens saddles are made huge cos
    > all women have fat arses, but trying to not lose my rag over it. I see helen's done a FAR better
    > job than I at it though -
    I
    > have to agree wholeheartedly with her comment ;-)

    For a UK population, distance between ischia centres (the bony bits) in mm:

    -------------------
    m 117.9 11.3 f 129.4 10.1

    i.e. the average woman wants a saddle with weight-taking parts abou 11mm further apart than the
    average man wants. USA population is about half a mm more than these figures.

    SteveC
     
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