Ed Pirrero wrote:
> On Mar 3, 11:48 am, [email protected] (Matthew T. Russotto)
> wrote:
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>>In article <d9d98d34-4cb8-496f-a55c-d07bd0ea7...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
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>> <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>On Mar 2, 5:51 pm, [email protected] (Matthew T. Russotto)
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>>>>In article <51f3617d-5eec-4007-a848-a1595f6dc...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
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>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>>Wow. I've specifically explained roughly a dozen times in this thread
>>>>>that I _do_ want cyclists to follow the rules of the road. How is it
>>>>>that you forget? How confused can you be?
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>>>>How many mid-block stop signs do you think an average cyclist will
>>>>stop for?
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>>>Mid-block? Sounds like you're talking about some hypothetical stop
>>>sign that's not at an intersection.
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>>Yes, that's what a mid-block stop sign is. They're "traffic calming"
>>devices. Think any significant percentage of cyclists will stop for them?
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>>>>>Cyclists almost never kill anyone else but themselves. Motorists kill
>>>>>40,000 "others" every year.
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>>>>Liar. The majority of those killed are motorists.
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>>>The majority of motorists killed in crashes _are_ killed by "other"
>>>motorists.
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>>Wrong again. More than half were drivers in single vehicle crashes.
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> Hey - Frank never lets *facts* get in the way of a good rant. Unless
> he can use them to try and obfuscate the issue.
Says a person who doesn't believe in "speed kills" statistics?
(Or am I confusing you with a myriad of others?)
According to NHTSA 2006 statistics
(
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/nht...icfiles/DOT/NHTSA/NCSA/Content/PDF/810837.pdf
page 32; updated Jan 2008) about 57% of accidents are single car accidents.
However, just because a crash is single vehicle doesn't mean only the
driver goes to motorist heaven (we'll presume he's already living
in driver Hell dealing with scofflaw bicyclists and drivers who don't
respect flashing headlights astern).
There's a concept called "the passenger".
And, to be fair, a multi-vehicle accident may end in the death of
only a single driver. Was the driver a "guilty" party or not?
I'm not able to derive a rough estimate of what number of single
car crash fatalities involve occupants ("other persons") versus
multi-car crashes where only the "guilty" driver is the fatality.
My guess based on some components of the NHTSA data for 2006 is
perhaps a 50-50 split between "other people" and "driver" fatalities.
I'm perfectly willing to revise this estimate if someone can point
me to more thorough data. I did come across a statistic where
67% of drivers died in fatal crashes versus passengers. However,
I don't know what percentage of them were "guilty" drivers.
Nonetheless, a bicyclist probably kills < 0.???1 percent of "other
people" compared to motor vehicle drivers.
Motor vehicle drivers aren't off the hook in comparison to
bicycle drivers in killing "other people". Even if the percentages
were equivalent, the absolute number of persons killed would be
orders of magnitude in difference.
SMH