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"ulunuhi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> You do realize RICO has been used against anti-abortion demonstrators?
>
> (not that I support their tactics)
> --
> "We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
> Thomas Merton
>
> "Markowitz Probertowitz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "ulunuhi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Are the US 'RICO' laws valid in France and Germany?
> >
> > Of course not. Note that I was expressing an opinion.
> >
> > > not that I would concede they violate RICO, but then application of
RICO
> > > keeps expanding so soon we could all be violating them.
> >
> > Nope. They are, IMNSHO, a racketeering influenced corrupt organization,
> and
> > not a religion.
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > "We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
> > > Thomas Merton
> > >
> > > "Markowitz Probertowitz" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > At least they got that part right. AFAIAC< they violate RICO
> > > > "ulunuhi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > France and Germany's decision to not recognize Scientology as a
> > > religion,
> > > > at
> > > > > this time, is not proof of any criminal action by the COS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Russia doesn't like Catholicism, should we make the great leap
> there?
> > > > Well
> > > > > maybe from the flimsy evidence required in this thread. (reality
> here
> > > is
> > > > > the Orthodox Church doesn't want them moving into their territory)
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > "We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most
enlightened."
> > > > > Thomas Merton
> > > > >
> > > > > "Marko Proberto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:%[email protected]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Carole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > Chris Leithiser <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What's your interest in scientology and how come you are
so
> > read
> > > > up
> > > > > > > > > and fanatical about bagging it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My viewpoint is that scientology has been DDT'd by vested
> > > > interests
> > > > > > > > > due to their antagonistic stand against pharmaceutical
drugs
> > > used
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > psychiatric purposes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Their financial frauds and the odd death by decapitation,
> > > > dehydration,
> > > > > > > > burning alive, drowning in scalding bathtubs and
> across-the-room
> > > > > gunshot
> > > > > > > > suicides no doubt pushes the process along.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > OK, fair enough. But I would say that the original scientology
> is
> > > not
> > > > > > > the same as the current scientology. The original scientology
> has
> > > been
> > > > > > > infiltrated and set up because of their stand against
> psychotropic
> > > > > > > drugs used by the psychiatric profession.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Their original teachings are still something to be regarded
> > > > > > > favourably. These were opposition to pschotropic drugs,
kinetics
> > and
> > > > > > > detoxifying the body of drugs from what I can gather.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Other practices such as ugly deaths, brainwashing, ripping
> people
> > > off
> > > > > > > are illuminati/ new world order inspired propaganda. So
there's
> no
> > > > > > > need to come into this ng breathing venom, hate and fear
without
> > > > > > > having any real understanding of what is actually going on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carole, you have no idea what is really going on. Look at what
the
> > > > French
> > > > > > and Germans have rightly done with the Kriminal Kult of
> $cientology.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They are rightly reviled for what they are, from the beginning
of
> > > their
> > > > > > cult, including their founder, a third rate sci-fi writer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But on top of that they have no doubt been infiltrated by
> > > > > > > > > disinformation agents who are intent on seeing them
totally
> > > > > > > > > discredited.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's what their lunatic fringe claims, yes. That's what
> they
> > > said
> > > > > > > > when $cientology was caught infiltrating the US Government,
> for
> > > > > example.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are well informed people who claim scientology's action
> > > against
> > > > > > > pschotropic drugs and practices was the best and most
> informative
> > > > > > > informaton to be found against these practices. Using words
like
> > > > > > > "lunatic fringe" is emotive and misleading.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope. It is called an accurate description of them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And on top of that there are probably people on the
internet
> > who
> > > > > > > > > monitor any discussions which come up and make sure the
> > > > appropriate
> > > > > > > > > disinformation gets out to anybody who starts to think in
> > their
> > > > > > > > > favour.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's a living.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > People need enlightenment not hate filled rantings, emotive
> > > > > > > propaganda, and fear mongering which are all trademarks of
> > > illuminati
> > > > > > > disinformation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is not hate filled rantings, etc. but the realisim of
something
> > > > > > inherently evil.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The true mark of illuminati disinformation is that it doesn't
> > offer
> > > > > > > any hope or any good news, just hate, fear and disinformation
in
> > > order
> > > > > > > to control through fear.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is some good news: Despite their clams to the contrary, the
> > > > Kriminal
> > > > > > Kult of $cientology is shrinking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
 
Many christian churches to not lock step with the central command as is done
by the Kriminal Kult of $cientology.


"ulunuhi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Not exactly a primary source nor unbiased, but did find some of it more
> cogent than the ranting presented here.
>
> Wrongful death lawsuit for cash does not prove murder. Imho it is the way
> people salve their own feelings when they are unable to prove murder and
> cash in at the same time.
>
> It did claim in the suit one church and it's actions caused the death of
one
> person. There are trials in progress now over Christian churches who
caused
> the death of children (two separate denominations); should we now blame
> every Christian for this? By this standard it seems so.
> --
> "We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
> Thomas Merton
>
> "Markowitz Probertowitz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > http://www.scientologywatch.org/postnuke/index.php
> >
> > "ulunuhi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > What case? So far all I have seen is rabid ranting.
> > >
> > > Site a federal or state case number, so that I can view it at Case
Law,
> or
> > > an unbiased source or two. Primary sources are always good,
newspapers
> > will
> > > suffice that do not belong at the grocery checkout line.
> > >
> > > I am also loath to condemn an entire faith for the death of one person
> > given
> > > the large numbers other faiths have historically removed from the
Earth.
> > >
> > > (Historic might even be stretching it since it was still happening
> > > yesterday. Haven't read any newspapers this morning, so cant say
about
> > > today).
> > >
> > > I would be glad to see those responsible, if there was a murder, go to
> > jail.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
> > > Thomas Merton
>
>
 
many do (lock step with the central command)

--
"We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
Thomas Merton

"Markowicz Probertowicz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Many christian churches to not lock step with the central command as is
done
> by the Kriminal Kult of $cientology.
>
>
> "ulunuhi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Not exactly a primary source nor unbiased, but did find some of it more
> > cogent than the ranting presented here.
> >
> > Wrongful death lawsuit for cash does not prove murder. Imho it is the
way
> > people salve their own feelings when they are unable to prove murder and
> > cash in at the same time.
> >
> > It did claim in the suit one church and it's actions caused the death of
> one
> > person. There are trials in progress now over Christian churches who
> caused
> > the death of children (two separate denominations); should we now blame
> > every Christian for this? By this standard it seems so.
> > --
> > "We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
> > Thomas Merton
> >
> > "Markowitz Probertowitz" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > http://www.scientologywatch.org/postnuke/index.php
> > >
> > > "ulunuhi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > What case? So far all I have seen is rabid ranting.
> > > >
> > > > Site a federal or state case number, so that I can view it at Case
> Law,
> > or
> > > > an unbiased source or two. Primary sources are always good,
> newspapers
> > > will
> > > > suffice that do not belong at the grocery checkout line.
> > > >
> > > > I am also loath to condemn an entire faith for the death of one
person
> > > given
> > > > the large numbers other faiths have historically removed from the
> Earth.
> > > >
> > > > (Historic might even be stretching it since it was still happening
> > > > yesterday. Haven't read any newspapers this morning, so cant say
> about
> > > > today).
> > > >
> > > > I would be glad to see those responsible, if there was a murder, go
to
> > > jail.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
> > > > Thomas Merton
> >
> >
>
>
 
Theta wrote:
>
> Can you say "tithe"?

Yep. Can you say "Xenu?"

"Tithing" is optional and directly proportional to income.
$cientology's fees are neither.

But then, Hubbard did set up $cientology specifically to make money. He
said so.
 
Theta wrote:
>
> You forgot Psychiatry.

If psychiatry had blackmailed the IRS into tax-exempt status like
$cientology did, you might have a point.
 
Carole wrote:
>
> Chris Leithiser <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> OK, fair enough. But I would say that the original scientology is not
> the same as the current scientology. The original scientology has been
> infiltrated and set up because of their stand against psychotropic
> drugs used by the psychiatric profession.

Nonsense. They would say it's because the Gummint wants its "proven"
"tech." Truth is, the cult's doing it to themselves.

> Their original teachings are still something to be regarded
> favourably. These were opposition to pschotropic drugs, kinetics and
> detoxifying the body of drugs from what I can gather.

Nope, it's arrant nonsense involving nonexistent mental "engrams" which
have been shown not to exist, combined with dangerous quack
vitamin/sauna combinations.

Now, the original "Dianetics" was something like desensitization for
phobias and bad memories, and had some value--except that it was swathed
in hatred for _real_ psychology and psychiatry. Hubbard plagiarized
from the best, but never took _their_ best.

> Other practices such as ugly deaths, brainwashing, ripping people off
> are illuminati/ new world order inspired propaganda. So there's no
> need to come into this ng breathing venom, hate and fear without
> having any real understanding of what is actually going on.

Oh. The Bavarian Illuminati are the _real_ bad guys. Got it.
 
> You can't answer these questions honestly. Indeed, you had to lie
> in these newsgroups about Scientology, using the usual fictitious
> fake names Scientology uses to try to hide their true identity behind,
> because you know damn well Scientology is a bait-and-switch bunco
> fraud.

Frederic,

the funny thing, I don't know if Mike knows that the CoS can trick
people 'cause the Church has the position that the Church cannot lie.
and he agrees with the Church.

as far as hiding true identities do you mean sock puppets?
 
> It did claim in the suit one church and it's actions caused the death of one
> person. There are trials in progress now over Christian churches who caused
> the death of children (two separate denominations); should we now blame
> every Christian for this? By this standard it seems so.

straw man argument... they did not talk about every Scientologist.

also...christianity encompass so many denominations. with the Church
you have the organization founded by LRH and a smaller number of
dissident groups and independent practioners.

if you do do some research on the Church then murder seems not
impossible than, uh, a Quaker ninja death squad.

another IMHO why you guys ought to say that you oppose the Church of
Scientology rather than just plain Scientologists. it makes your
position more clear.
 
um, I have a thing about Psycho Politics too.

you can search for my name and read about my stance on that.

no way do I support the Church of Scientology even when I agree with
their campaign against Ritalin.

> You do know how intelligence agencies go after people and manipulate
> information to discredit people and ideas, don't you?

yes. and no bad rumors have yet popped up about any of the non-CoS
critics of biopsychiatry like Peter Breggin or Support Coalition.
(other than the one linking them to the Church. but since they share a
similar position on biopsychiatry I can understand.) why just go up
against one advocate... y'know? smear them all.
 
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:00:36 GMT, "ulunuhi"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> you must feel betrayed by your previous faith in Scientology to feel so
> bitter and mean spirited toward them

Sort of like how a victim of rape is "bitter and mean spirited."
 
On 29 Sep 2003 04:06:17 -0700, [email protected] (Theta) wrote:

> These guys have never been Scientologists. That is quite clear.

He's never been a Ku Klux Klan member either.
 
"Hubbard did set up $cientology specifically to make money. He said so."

So what's the beef. No secret
--
"We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
Thomas Merton

"Chris Leithiser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Theta wrote:
> >
> > Can you say "tithe"?
>
> Yep. Can you say "Xenu?"
>
> "Tithing" is optional and directly proportional to income.
> $cientology's fees are neither.
>
> But then, Hubbard did set up $cientology specifically to make money. He
> said so.
 
blackmailed the IRS !!

ROFLOL
--
"We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
Thomas Merton

"Chris Leithiser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Theta wrote:
> >
> > You forgot Psychiatry.
>
> If psychiatry had blackmailed the IRS into tax-exempt status like
> $cientology did, you might have a point.
 
seems to me those who have spammed all-faiths with the vitriol against
Scientology and Scinetologists do mean all Scientologists
--
"We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
Thomas Merton

"Ria" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > It did claim in the suit one church and it's actions caused the death of
one
> > person. There are trials in progress now over Christian churches who
caused
> > the death of children (two separate denominations); should we now blame
> > every Christian for this? By this standard it seems so.
>
> straw man argument... they did not talk about every Scientologist.
>
> also...christianity encompass so many denominations. with the Church
> you have the organization founded by LRH and a smaller number of
> dissident groups and independent practioners.
>
> if you do do some research on the Church then murder seems not
> impossible than, uh, a Quaker ninja death squad.
>
> another IMHO why you guys ought to say that you oppose the Church of
> Scientology rather than just plain Scientologists. it makes your
> position more clear.
 
oh please, rape and loosing some cash are not in the same category.
--
"We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
Thomas Merton

"ShyDavid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:00:36 GMT, "ulunuhi"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > you must feel betrayed by your previous faith in Scientology to feel so
> > bitter and mean spirited toward them
>
> Sort of like how a victim of rape is "bitter and mean spirited."
 
in fact that just put me over the flogging a dead horse threshold. I'm
bowing out of this discussion.
--
"We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
Thomas Merton

"ulunuhi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> oh please, rape and loosing some cash are not in the same category.
> --
> "We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
> Thomas Merton
>
> "ShyDavid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:00:36 GMT, "ulunuhi"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > you must feel betrayed by your previous faith in Scientology to feel
so
> > > bitter and mean spirited toward them
> >
> > Sort of like how a victim of rape is "bitter and mean spirited."
>
>
 
ulunuhi wrote:
>
> "Hubbard did set up $cientology specifically to make money. He said so."
>
> So what's the beef. No secret

Except that the cult lies about it, and sues to keep it secret.
 
I was thinking it was about time for my dead horse stuff.

I used to be into Sadism, Necrophilia and Bestiality, but then I found out I was just beating a dead horse.


--

Krystal
-----------
Ohm Namah Shivaya

"ulunuhi" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> in fact that just put me over the flogging a dead horse threshold. I'm
> bowing out of this discussion.
> --
> "We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
> Thomas Merton
>
> "ulunuhi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > oh please, rape and loosing some cash are not in the same category.
> > --
> > "We stumble and fall constantly, even when we are most enlightened."
> > Thomas Merton
> >
> > "ShyDavid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 06:00:36 GMT, "ulunuhi"
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > you must feel betrayed by your previous faith in Scientology to feel
> so
> > > > bitter and mean spirited toward them
> > >
> > > Sort of like how a victim of rape is "bitter and mean spirited."
> >
> >
>
>
 
> so you can't prove anything in court so just keep slandering them over and
> over on the net?

even if the Church did not commit murder it has done much else.

religious leaders have ordered the kilings of specific enemies before now.
 
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