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[email protected] (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Mike, you claimed that Scientologists know what the prices are for
> the Scientology cult's "services" et al. knowing what they're buying.
> Where _exctly_ on any of the Scientology web sites can one find
> information about Xenu? Body Thetans? Flying saucers shaped like
> DC-8 jet aircraft? Implant stations on Mars?
>


I've already answered this. You won't, because it is para-Scientology,
not Scientology. Para-Scientology is sometimes discussed on private
sites, or groups, for experienced Scientologists who have a particular
interest in the subject.

> I've got _zero_ problem with real religions that hold bizarre beliefs
> but it's a crime -- bunco -- to sell rubes a bait-and-switch swindle
> without telling them what their "religion" is really all about.


Claiming that para-Scientology is the same thing as Scientology is
like claiming para-Psychology is the same thing as Psychology. By your
argument I should have been learning about telekinesis and
poltergeists when studying Psychology in college. I didn't. Go figure.

>
> You can't answer these questions honestly.


If you find my answers unsatisfactory there is nothing I can do. I
have answered questions put to me, as honestly and as factually as I
can. What you choose to do with that is entirely up to you.

Take care,
Mike

--
http://www.whatisscientology.org
http://www.theta.btinternet.co.uk/scriptures.htm
 
[email protected] (Theta) wrote:

>[email protected] (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Mike, you claimed that Scientologists know what the prices are for
>> the Scientology cult's "services" et al. knowing what they're buying.
>> Where _exctly_ on any of the Scientology web sites can one find
>> information about Xenu? Body Thetans? Flying saucers shaped like
>> DC-8 jet aircraft? Implant stations on Mars?


>I've already answered this. You won't, because it is para-Scientology,
>not Scientology. Para-Scientology is sometimes discussed on private
>sites, or groups, for experienced Scientologists who have a particular
>interest in the subject.


You didn't answer the question. Where _exactly_ can people go to find
out what they're actually buying when they fall into the Scientology cult?
None of the core "beliefs" of the crime syndicate are covered anywhere
on the Internet... not in public forums, and not in "private sites or
groups." Trust me, I'm in TNX and a number of other mailing lists and
Scientology web channels and the bait-and-switch bunco frauds are
never mentioned.


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[email protected] (Ria) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> um, I have a thing about Psycho Politics too.
> you can search for my name and read about my stance on that.
> no way do I support the Church of Scientology even when I agree with
> their campaign against Ritalin.
>
> > You do know how intelligence agencies go after people and manipulate
> > information to discredit people and ideas, don't you?

>
> yes. and no bad rumors have yet popped up about any of the non-CoS
> critics of biopsychiatry like Peter Breggin or Support Coalition.
> (other than the one linking them to the Church. but since they share a
> similar position on biopsychiatry I can understand.) why just go up
> against one advocate... y'know? smear them all.


Psychopolitics is tied up with communism and its purpose is to break
down the fabric of society, using a range of things from bad
psychiatry, social conditioning, fluoride, bad culture, and all sorts
of propaganda. The whole idea is to get the people so debilitated,
confused and lack of moral fibre that they are easy to manipulate.
Communism is being used as a tool of the illuminati towards one world
government.

– PSYCHOPOLITICS – The art and science of asserting and
maintain dominion
over the thoughts and loyalties of individuals, officers, bureaus, and
masses, and the effecting of the conquest of enemy nations through
"mental healing."

http://www.psychopolitik.de/PP0.htm#C16

From May 2, 1936, to October 10, 1939, I was a dues-paying member of
the Communist Party, operating under my own name, Kenneth Goff, and
also the alias John Keats. In 1939, I voluntarily appeared before the
Un-American Activities Committee in Washington, D.C., which was
chairmanned at that time by Martin Dies, and my testimony can be found
in Volume 9 of that year's Congressional Report.

A couple of excerpts -

The psychopolitical operative should also spare no expense in smashing
out of existence, by whatever means, any actual healing group, such as
that of acupuncture, in China; such as CHRISTIAN SCIENCE, DIANETICS
and faith healing, in the United States; such as Catholicism in Italy
and Spain; and the practical psychological groups of England.

When a hostile group dedicated to mental health is discovered, the
psychopolitician should have recourse to the mechanisms of peyote,
mescaline, and later drugs which cause temporary insanity. He should
send persons, preferably those well under his control, into the mental
health group, whether CHRISTIAN SCIENCE OR DIANETICS or faith
preachers to demonstrate their abilities upon this new person. These,
in demonstrating their abilities, will usually act with enthusiasm.
Midway in the course of their treatment, a quiet injection of peyote,
mescaline, or other drug, or an electric shock, will produce the
symptoms of insanity in the patient which has been sent to the target
group. The patient thus demonstrating momentary insanity should be
immediately be reported to the police and taken away to some area of
incarceration managed by psychopolitical operatives, and so placed out
of site. Officialdom will thus come into a belief that this group
drives individuals insane by their practices, and the practices of the
group will them be despised and prohibited by law.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/psychopolitics.htm
 
[email protected] (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> >See the following link and also read the frontpage of this
> >organisation at http://www.lightlink.com/freezone which describes how
> >scientology departed from its original course - which I think is
> >because it was onto something the power elite didn't want known.

>
> I'm well aware of the existance of the FreeZone and I've been an
> advocate of the free and open dissemination of clearing technology
> since around 1996, even going so far as to try to organize a
> collection of clearing technology texts for free replication and
> duplication in Clearwater, Florida at the defunct Lisa McPherson
> Trust.
>
> I'm 100% completely in favor of Scientology "technology" insofar as
> it neither kills or maims or is sold in pretext or without the
> buyer knowing what they're getting in for. I support the FreeZone
> because a plurality of religions -- which doesn't include the
> Scientology crime syndicate -- ensures that minority opinions such
> as mine can't be so easily stomped under the heel of fascism at
> the hands of the majority.
>
> I've got _zero_ problems with Scientology technology or individual,
> honest Scientologists. When lying creeps like Mike open his frocking
> yap and tries to swindle people who don't know what Scientology is
> really all about, that's when I speak up.


I think we're on the same page here. I'm not talking about
scientology's current ventures, but only in some of their theories -
namely the purification rundown, kinesology, and their opposition to
psychopolitics.

It arouses my curiousity when I see an organisation which had some
insight and innovative ideas, which then becomes so discredited
because of incidents which could have been deliberately staged.

There was a government program called COINTROPRO, an acronym, which,
it turned out, was an abbreviation for Counterintelligence Program,
which spied on US citizens and suppressed information and people who
had ideas which it considered a threat to "national security". Here is
an excerpt explaining how this most likely happened.

You might have guessed by now that I don't necessarily believe most
popularly held views which get pushed down people's throats. A lot of
it is propaganda or the result of somebody or something being setup.

http://www.lightlink.com/freezone/mc/fbi_cofs.htm

Playing Dirty: The Secret War against Beliefs -- Omar V. Garrison, pp
53-73
Ralston-Pilot, INC., Publishers, Los Angeles
Copyright ©1980 by Omar V. Garrison
ISBN 0-931116-04-X
Chapter 3. "A Rough, Tough, Dirty Business"

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/scientology.htm
 
"Fredric L. Rice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Dennis" <not [email protected]> wrote:
>
> >you need help..

>
> You couldn't address the well documented court records which cover all
> these irrefutable facts, I see. It's easy to face up to: Scientology
> is organized crime with a lengthy homicide record, not a religion. No
> _real_ religion has a price list.


Exactly why I refer to it as the Kriminal Kult of $cientology. Most
descriptive.
 
have you checked this out then?

http://scn.martinobrien.com/ABUSE/KRASEL/COS/COMMENTS/BMREV2.HTM

the document contains this statement: "From May 2, 1936, to October
10, 1939, I was a dues-paying member of the Communist Party, operating
under my own name, Kenneth Goff, and also the alias John Keats. In
1939, I voluntarily appeared before the Un-American Activities
Committee in Washington, D.C., which was chairmanned at that time by
Martin Dies, and my testimony can be found in Volume 9 of that year's
Congressional Report."

the Congretional Record has no statement by Kenneth Goff.

LRH claimed that he received a copy of "Brain-Washing" document in
1955. WorldCat could find a copy of "Brain-Washing" prior to 1955. the
supposed author died in 1943.

the document makes reference to atomic warfare in the summary(first
atomic test occured on July 16, 1945) and to Dianetics in Chapter
!X(first annouced by LRH in a magazine article coverdate May 1950).

the first atom bomb test occurred on July 16, 1945. the first article
on Dianetics came out in May 1950.

it also contains the made-up word "thinkingness" and "beingness" which
LRH invented and which seems to exist only in Scientology literature.
 
LOL--a lot of people were a member of the communist party in those years. It
was not an act of un-loyalty, but sort of like green peace is today.

Most US members just believed that the government should be more controlling
of the rich then it was then. They wanted more redistribution of wealth
(which we now do thought taxes) welfare and stuff like that.









"Ria" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> have you checked this out then?
>
> http://scn.martinobrien.com/ABUSE/KRASEL/COS/COMMENTS/BMREV2.HTM
>
> the document contains this statement: "From May 2, 1936, to October
> 10, 1939, I was a dues-paying member of the Communist Party, operating
> under my own name, Kenneth Goff, and also the alias John Keats. In
> 1939, I voluntarily appeared before the Un-American Activities
> Committee in Washington, D.C., which was chairmanned at that time by
> Martin Dies, and my testimony can be found in Volume 9 of that year's
> Congressional Report."
>
> the Congretional Record has no statement by Kenneth Goff.
>
> LRH claimed that he received a copy of "Brain-Washing" document in
> 1955. WorldCat could find a copy of "Brain-Washing" prior to 1955. the
> supposed author died in 1943.
>
> the document makes reference to atomic warfare in the summary(first
> atomic test occured on July 16, 1945) and to Dianetics in Chapter
> !X(first annouced by LRH in a magazine article coverdate May 1950).
>
> the first atom bomb test occurred on July 16, 1945. the first article
> on Dianetics came out in May 1950.
>
> it also contains the made-up word "thinkingness" and "beingness" which
> LRH invented and which seems to exist only in Scientology literature.
 
> LOL--a lot of people were a member of the communist party in those years. It
> was not an act of un-loyalty, but sort of like green peace is today.


er, Green Party, not Greenpeace.
 
> It arouses my curiousity when I see an organisation which had some
> insight and innovative ideas, which then becomes so discredited
> because of incidents which could have been deliberately staged.


it all came from LRH and the inheritors of LRH's worldview. you can
read this in his unofficial biography.
 
LOL----yep



"Ria" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > LOL--a lot of people were a member of the communist party in those

years. It
> > was not an act of un-loyalty, but sort of like green peace is today.

>
> er, Green Party, not Greenpeace.
 
Ria wrote:
>
> > It arouses my curiousity when I see an organisation which had some
> > insight and innovative ideas, which then becomes so discredited
> > because of incidents which could have been deliberately staged.

>
> it all came from LRH and the inheritors of LRH's worldview. you can
> read this in his unofficial biography.


Try: A Piece of Blue Sky, Jon Atack
LRH: Messiah or Madman by Bent Corydon

The guy was, first and foremost, a con man.
 
> LOL----yep

not sure of your point anyway.

and next person who posts with a one-line LOL response on this
usegroup gets my unending vengeance. it has gotten *old*. [sighs]

love and kisses...
 
> Try: A Piece of Blue Sky, Jon Atack
> LRH: Messiah or Madman by Bent Corydon


and BARE-FACED MESSIAH by Russell Miller.
 
[email protected] (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:

>[email protected] (Theta) wrote:


Okay, I guess I'm done with Mike. Any time someone posts into newsgroups
false claims about how Scientology and its programs are some how beneficial
-- in spite of the court documentation and medical doctor reports and
their written summations of Scientology's often deadly quack medical
frauds -- I don't resist the urge to set the record straight least
someone on the Internet gets taken in by the cult's claims. It used to be
Scientology could purchase advertisement space and commit their frauds
without a voice of opposition but those days are over thanks to the
advent of the Internet.

If you bothered stepping through the postings about this during this last
week, you'll note that Scientology's spokespeople have to lie about what
they're supposed to believe in.

Real, honest religions aren't forced to lie about what
they believe in. Real, honest religions aren't forced
to hide their identity behind fictitious names due to
their core criminality.

Any way, if serious people were annoyed by having Scientology's lies
discussed and exposed in these newsgroups, here's my apology. If anyone
was motivated enough to check actual sources to discover the truth and
veracity of what I covered about the criminal enterprise, spread the
word.

At minimum I hope people won't get suckered in by Scientology's
fraudulent, criminal, abusive lies.

---
"I spewed bodily fluids." - Shydavid http://www.skeptictank.org/
http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/ PGP: http://www.skeptictank.org/frice.pgp
-- You love drugs! You love drugs, don't you?! You better
not say anything about my mother! Don't you DARE say anything
about my mother! -- Scientology's International President (Audio
files of this nutter at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice
 
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:55:05 -0700, Chris Leithiser
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Ria wrote:


>> it all came from LRH and the inheritors of LRH's worldview. you can
>> read this in his unofficial biography.


There are several excellent ones. http://ronethewarhero.org is a good
start.

> Try: A Piece of Blue Sky, Jon Atack


http://holysmoke.org/cos/books/a-piece-of-blue-sky.pdf

> LRH: Messiah or Madman by Bent Corydon


Another excellent biography of L. Hubbard:
http://holysmoke.org/cos/books/bare-faced-messiah.pdf

> The guy was, first and foremost, a con man.


That's an under-statement, somewhat like stating Jeffry Dahlmer had a
mild case of anti-socialism.
 
[email protected] (Ria) wrote:

>> > There are several excellent ones. http://ronethewarhero.org is a good

>> start.


>or http://www.ronthewarhero.org for those who hadn't figured out why the 404.


That's a very good one that should be turned into a book. There
are a number of war vets organizations that have added Hubbard to
their list of war liars / wannabes... wannabe heros who either
never signs up but brag about their non-existant war exploits,
did sign up but never saw action but brag about battles they were
never in, blowhards who never was in war zones, never saw battle,
avoided the war but still demands medals and recognition. And
Hubbard meets all requirements for scorn.

When Hubbard was with Jack Parsons doing sex magic in Pasadena to
create a "Moonchild" ala the OTO cult, hubbard ran off with Parson's
girlfriend whom they were conducting their sex magic on. The cult
to this day demands that Hubbard was really trying to save her from
the cult. Sarah Northrup J., as I recall her name was.

Any way Scientology lies about everything Hubbard ever did because
he was a conman, criminal, confidence swindler, blowhard. They want
to claim he was in the nuclear physics field -- he took one semester
of a required physics class and got a D.

---
"I spewed bodily fluids." - Shydavid http://www.skeptictank.org/
http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/ PGP: http://www.skeptictank.org/frice.pgp
-- You love drugs! You love drugs, don't you?! You better
not say anything about my mother! Don't you DARE say anything
about my mother! -- Scientology's International President (Audio
files of this nutter at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice