Second Avenue Deli In NYC May Close :o(

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by Margaret Suran, Jan 5, 2006.

  1. I just heard on the 5 o'clock morning news, that the Second Avenue
    Deli in New York City is closed since Sunday, in a dispute with the
    landlord. There is a good chance, according to the owners of the
    deli, that the restaurant will not reopen.

    I hope that it is not going to happen.
     
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  2. Sheldon

    Sheldon Guest

    Margaret Suran wrote:
    > I just heard on the 5 o'clock morning news, that the Second Avenue
    > Deli in New York City is closed since Sunday, in a dispute with the
    > landlord. There is a good chance, according to the owners of the
    > deli, that the restaurant will not reopen.
    >
    > I hope that it is not going to happen.



    Famous 2nd Avenue Deli shuts down, possibly for good


    January 5, 2006, 4:03 AM EST

    NEW YORK (AP) _ One of the most famous delis in New York City may have
    served its last corn beef on rye.

    The owner of the 2nd Avenue Deli said he closed the restaurant Sunday
    after a lease dispute with the building's new owners.

    "My current rent is $24,000 a month for 2,800 square feet," Jack
    Lebewohl told The New York Times. "They want $33,000. I can't afford
    that."

    Jonis Realty of Great Neck, N.Y., owns the building. The Times said
    messages left with representatives of Jonis Realty were not returned.

    The deli has been a landmark in the Lower East Side ever since it
    opened in 1954, serving much-loved Jewish fare like chopped liver,
    potato kugel and hefty corn beef sandwiches.

    Lebewohl said the restaurant needs to undergo major renovations to pass
    Board of Health regulations. Lebewohl said he couldn't justify the
    added investment without a more affordable long-term lease.

    Lebewohl, 57, said he wants to reopen but can't without a new lease
    agreement.

    His brother, Abe, a Holocaust survivor who founded the restaurant, was
    shot and killed while attempting to make a bank deposit in 1996.

    "My goal is to reopen," he told the paper. "We've become a
    destination."

    Copyright 2006 Newsday Inc.
    ---

    Sheldon
     
  3. Goomba38

    Goomba38 Guest

    Margaret Suran wrote:
    >
    > I just heard on the 5 o'clock morning news, that the Second Avenue Deli
    > in New York City is closed since Sunday, in a dispute with the
    > landlord. There is a good chance, according to the owners of the deli,
    > that the restaurant will not reopen.
    >
    > I hope that it is not going to happen.


    After reading the articles posted, and admittedly I know little about
    real estate in NYC, do you think they were price gouging 2nd Ave Deli a
    bit much? Do rents really go for 33,000/month for that type of space?
    Such a shame the deli never purchased the building long ago :(
    Goomba
     
  4. Nancy Young

    Nancy Young Guest

    "Margaret Suran" <[email protected]> wrote

    > I just heard on the 5 o'clock morning news, that the Second Avenue Deli in
    > New York City is closed since Sunday, in a dispute with the landlord.
    > There is a good chance, according to the owners of the deli, that the
    > restaurant will not reopen.


    That should be illegal, as long as they're flinging eminent domain
    all over the place willy nilly, save an institution. "Mayor Bloomberg!
    Buy the building!"

    nancy
     
  5. In article <[email protected]>,
    Margaret Suran <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I just heard on the 5 o'clock morning news, that the Second Avenue
    > Deli in New York City is closed since Sunday, in a dispute with the
    > landlord. There is a good chance, according to the owners of the
    > deli, that the restaurant will not reopen.
    >
    > I hope that it is not going to happen.


    How dare they!! NOW where will I fight with you over a check? Can you
    find out where Lisa and Mary are or will go? This is terrible news,
    Margaret.
    --
    http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 1-3-2006, Sam I Am! and Hello!
     
  6. Goomba38 wrote:
    > Margaret Suran wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> I just heard on the 5 o'clock morning news, that the Second Avenue
    >> Deli in New York City is closed since Sunday, in a dispute with the
    >> landlord. There is a good chance, according to the owners of the
    >> deli, that the restaurant will not reopen.
    >>
    >> I hope that it is not going to happen.

    >
    >
    > After reading the articles posted, and admittedly I know little about
    > real estate in NYC, do you think they were price gouging 2nd Ave Deli a
    > bit much? Do rents really go for 33,000/month for that type of space?
    > Such a shame the deli never purchased the building long ago :(
    > Goomba



    Sadly, that is the way many places in New York City get forced out of
    business. My favorite French Pastry Shop, Bonte's, just two blocks
    from here, lost its place that way, as did Voulez Vous, a wonderful
    little Bistro type restaurant right across the street from where I
    live. It's one after another, with NYC real estate prices being insane.
     
  7. Doug Kanter

    Doug Kanter Guest

    "Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    > "My current rent is $24,000 a month for 2,800 square feet,"


    Oxygen! Gimme oxygen quick! That's some serious rent.
     
  8. Sheldon

    Sheldon Guest

    Goomba38 wrote:
    > Margaret Suran wrote:
    > >
    > > I just heard on the 5 o'clock morning news, that the Second Avenue Deli
    > > in New York City is closed since Sunday, in a dispute with the
    > > landlord. There is a good chance, according to the owners of the deli,
    > > that the restaurant will not reopen.
    > >
    > > I hope that it is not going to happen.

    >
    > After reading the articles posted, and admittedly I know little about
    > real estate in NYC, do you think they were price gouging 2nd Ave Deli a
    > bit much? Do rents really go for 33,000/month for that type of space?
    > Such a shame the deli never purchased the building long ago :(
    > Goomba


    Purchase the entire building... you're talking The Donald, not some
    fercocktah deli.

    Yeah NYC rents go up by the thousands, they do, and more. Actually for
    NYC that space at a $5,000/mo price increase is not exhorbitant,
    especially not at the end of a five year lease, that's like an 18%
    increase... RE has increased far more and with normal inflation figured
    in that rent is actually a bargain. A $5,000/mo increase comes to some
    $200/day... or a dozen sandwiches.

    I don't think the rent increase has anything to do with whether the
    deli will continue in business... they can very easily make up that
    $200/day if only by increasing the prices on their menu by 1/2%, and/or
    squeezing in one more small table. I think there are two other reasons
    the deli may close forever... first, the cost of massive upgrading to
    meet current health code requirements... obviously seriously neglected
    over the past many years until now it's a huge bill... that's pure
    neglect, which means the owner was seriously contemplating for a long
    time not renewing the lease regardless (like he didn't know there'd be
    a rent increase, right) and instead was simply squirreling away the
    upgrade gelt for retirement, which leads to the second reason, and
    probably the more real reason, the owner is just getting too old and
    there is no family heir who wants to continue in what is one of the
    roughest businesses on Earth, operating a kosher deli... no outsider
    will buy it, because even though many would like to they just can't do
    kosher... even McDonalds with all their Mega-Billions can't do
    kosher... I don't mean won't, I mean can't, as in literally
    *incapable*... I mean there's a lot more to doing kosher than an
    Irishman agreeing to a circumcision. Shit happens... noo, what else...
    next victim.

    Sheldon
     
  9. Doug Kanter

    Doug Kanter Guest

  10. Nancy Young

    Nancy Young Guest

    "Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote

    > upgrade gelt for retirement, which leads to the second reason, and
    > probably the more real reason, the owner is just getting too old and
    > there is no family heir who wants to continue in what is one of the
    > roughest businesses on Earth, operating a kosher deli... no outsider
    > will buy it, because even though many would like to they just can't do
    > kosher... even McDonalds with all their Mega-Billions can't do
    > kosher... I don't mean won't, I mean can't, as in literally
    > *incapable*... I mean there's a lot more to doing kosher than an
    > Irishman agreeing to a circumcision. Shit happens... noo, what else...
    > next victim.


    Perhaps you're right about the family, when I last saw, the kids were
    all in the business. Who knows, that was then. However, it is not a
    kosher deli, unless kosher delis have started serving up bacon and
    egg and cheese sandwiches.

    nancy
     
  11. Nancy Young

    Nancy Young Guest

    Sorry, Sheldon, it is indeed kosher.

    nancy
     
  12. Sheldon

    Sheldon Guest

    Nancy Young wrote:
    > "Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote
    >
    > > upgrade gelt for retirement, which leads to the second reason, and
    > > probably the more real reason, the owner is just getting too old and
    > > there is no family heir who wants to continue in what is one of the
    > > roughest businesses on Earth, operating a kosher deli... no outsider
    > > will buy it, because even though many would like to they just can't do
    > > kosher... even McDonalds with all their Mega-Billions can't do
    > > kosher... I don't mean won't, I mean can't, as in literally
    > > *incapable*... I mean there's a lot more to doing kosher than an
    > > Irishman agreeing to a circumcision. Shit happens... noo, what else...
    > > next victim.

    >
    > Perhaps you're right about the family, when I last saw, the kids were
    > all in the business. Who knows, that was then. However, it is not a
    > kosher deli, unless kosher delis have started serving up bacon and
    > egg and cheese sandwiches.


    You must be confusing delis... The Second Avenue Deli is indeed kosher,
    not Katz's and not many other NYC delis, but The Second Avenue Deli is
    definitely kosher... not kosher style, kosher!

    http://www.2ndavedeli.com
     
  13. Boron Elgar

    Boron Elgar Guest

    On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:24:40 -0500, "Nancy Young" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Sorry, Sheldon, it is indeed kosher.
    >
    >nancy
    >



    You bet it is...when I took my kids there at some point years ago, one
    of them insisted on a cheeseburger and it broke his heart.

    Boron
     
  14. In article <[email protected]>,
    "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Melba's Jammin'" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "Doug Kanter" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> "Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected]
    > >>
    > >> > "My current rent is $24,000 a month for 2,800 square feet,"
    > >>
    > >> Oxygen! Gimme oxygen quick! That's some serious rent.

    > >
    > > Have you ever been in there, Doug?

    >
    > Not in over 20 years.


    Busy place. Rent's high, for sure, and they've got to be taking in a
    boatload of money. But not, apparently, enough to justify what? a
    30-35% monthly increase? I weep for sad.
    --
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  15. Nancy Young wrote:
    > Sorry, Sheldon, it is indeed kosher.
    >
    > nancy
    >
    >


    so do they serve bacon or not?

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  16. On Thu 05 Jan 2006 03:40:37p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it sarah
    bennett?

    > Nancy Young wrote:
    >> Sorry, Sheldon, it is indeed kosher.
    >>
    >> nancy
    >>
    >>

    >
    > so do they serve bacon or not?
    >


    No.

    http://www.2ndavedeli.com/sdbmmenu.htm

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