Second Avenue Deli In NYC May Close :o(



Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> sarah bennett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Margaret Suran wrote:
>
>
>>>they do not serve bacon or ham, nor would they serve a cheeseburger.
>>>However, the really kosher Jews do not consider them to be kosher
>>>enough, as they are not closed for the Sabbath.
>>
>>Jews are not kosher.
>
>
> I kinda think she meant that the Jews who observe kosher (kashruth?)
> food practices don't consider them to be observing the rules closely
> enough because they are open for commerce on Saturdays, Or were. :-(

I know what she meant. It just bugs the hell out of me when people use
that terminology.

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sarah bennett wrote:
> Margaret Suran wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu 05 Jan 2006 03:40:37p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it sarah
>>> bennett?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, Sheldon, it is indeed kosher.
>>>>>
>>>>> nancy
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so do they serve bacon or not?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> http://www.2ndavedeli.com/sdbmmenu.htm
>>>
>> they do not serve bacon or ham, nor would they serve a cheeseburger.
>> However, the really kosher Jews do not consider them to be kosher
>> enough, as they are not closed for the Sabbath.
>
>
> Jews are not kosher.
>

You got me!!! Yes, this is what happens when you get to be old and
lazy. :eek:)
 
Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:44:49 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> <[email protected]> rummaged among random neurons
> and opined:
>
>
>>How dare they!! NOW where will I fight with you over a check? Can you
>>find out where Lisa and Mary are or will go? This is terrible news,
>>Margaret.
>
>
> You ever win a check with Margaret? I swear, the woman got up at oh
> dawn thirty to hoof it to the 2nd Ave. Deli to make sure Lisa and Mary
> gave her the check. Next time, I'm going to have Kristen distract her
> while I snag the check, but don't tell Margaret. <ssshhhh!>
>
> BTW, Mary and Lisa loved their gifts, Barb.
>
> Sneakily,
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd



Terry, Guess from whom I learned to do it?
 
On Fri 06 Jan 2006 05:43:14a, Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> On Fri 06 Jan 2006 04:50:53a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nancy
>> Young?
>
>>> Then my mourning came before yours ... I grew up on Macy's, I always
>>> shopped at Macy's, it's only Macy's in name only, now. Then again, I
>>> haven't been to Herald Square in ages, so I don't know if there is
>>> the Macy's mystique there, still.
>>>
>>> As far as I'm concerned, it's just another Federated store.
>>
>> The Halle Bros. Co., a venerable and prestigious department store chain
>> in NE Ohio, was sold to Marshall Field some time in the 1970s. It
>> wasn't long before the stores became flooded with old season stock and
>> Marshall Field rejects.
>
> You know, Wayne, I couldn't have described what happened to Macy's
> any better than that. Turned into some leftover junk store. Okay, I'm
> exaggerating, but the stock just slipped, seemingly days after Federated
> took over. I always paid more for clothing/whatever, at Macy's because
> they had the good stuff.
>
> Last time I was in there, over the holidays, I think maybe it was a
> little better, still not the old Macy's. I bet feelings were the same
> when Federated bought out Bloomingdales, who knows how many years
> ago. 70s maybe?
>
> I consider Federated stores to be Canada's revenge. For what,
> who knows. (cue Michel)

I'm sure there will come a day, Nancy, when what we considered a
*department store* will not exist at all. Everything is going the way
discounters and mass marketers. Even Neiman-Marcus doesn't have quite the
prestige it once did.

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974
 
"Wayne Boatwright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri 06 Jan 2006 05:43:14a, Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>> On Fri 06 Jan 2006 04:50:53a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Nancy
>>> Young?
>>
>>>> Then my mourning came before yours ... I grew up on Macy's, I always
>>>> shopped at Macy's, it's only Macy's in name only, now. Then again, I
>>>> haven't been to Herald Square in ages, so I don't know if there is
>>>> the Macy's mystique there, still.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm concerned, it's just another Federated store.
>>>
>>> The Halle Bros. Co., a venerable and prestigious department store chain
>>> in NE Ohio, was sold to Marshall Field some time in the 1970s. It
>>> wasn't long before the stores became flooded with old season stock and
>>> Marshall Field rejects.
>>
>> You know, Wayne, I couldn't have described what happened to Macy's
>> any better than that. Turned into some leftover junk store. Okay, I'm
>> exaggerating, but the stock just slipped, seemingly days after Federated
>> took over. I always paid more for clothing/whatever, at Macy's because
>> they had the good stuff.
>>
>> Last time I was in there, over the holidays, I think maybe it was a
>> little better, still not the old Macy's. I bet feelings were the same
>> when Federated bought out Bloomingdales, who knows how many years
>> ago. 70s maybe?
>>
>> I consider Federated stores to be Canada's revenge. For what,
>> who knows. (cue Michel)
>
> I'm sure there will come a day, Nancy, when what we considered a
> *department store* will not exist at all. Everything is going the way
> discounters and mass marketers. Even Neiman-Marcus doesn't have quite the
> prestige it once did.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright *¿*

Hell....I don't care how lofty a store thinks it is. If they can't find
decent quality clothing to sell because it's all made overseas, then that's
the great equalizer. Neiman-Marcus will be identical to Wal Mart, except
they'll have dropped ceilings (for more "atmosphere") and valet parking.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
sarah bennett <[email protected]> wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > sarah bennett <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Margaret Suran wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>they do not serve bacon or ham, nor would they serve a cheeseburger.
> >>>However, the really kosher Jews do not consider them to be kosher
> >>>enough, as they are not closed for the Sabbath.
> >>
> >>Jews are not kosher.
> >
> >
> > I kinda think she meant that the Jews who observe kosher (kashruth?)
> > food practices don't consider them to be observing the rules closely
> > enough because they are open for commerce on Saturdays, Or were. :-(
>
> I know what she meant. It just bugs the hell out of me when people use
> that terminology.

Why? What terminology would you have her use? Inquiring Mind Wants to
Know.
-Barb
--
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 05:10:15 GMT, sarah bennett
<[email protected]> connected the dots and wrote:

~The Bubbo wrote:
~> sarah bennett wrote:
~>
~>>The Bubbo wrote:
~>>
~>>>sarah bennett wrote:
~>>>
~>>>
~>>>
~>>>>Jews are not kosher.
~>>>>
~>>>
~>>>
~>>>so I CAN serve them with cheese?
~>>>
~>>>
~>>>(sorry...sorry)
~>>>
~>>
~>>no, but even if they were kosher meat, you couldn't ;)
~>>
~>
~>
~> hmmm, is there any situation in which i CAN serve them with cheese
or am I SOL
~> on this one?
~>
~
~I hear pork is a close estimate :)

That's why they call it "long pig"

maxine in ri
 
Wow, no kidding the Berghoff closing! Bummer!

God, how many times I had lunch there over the years when I lived in
Chicago.

Yes, their beer was outstanding, (Later made by Joesph Huber Brewing in
Monroe, Wisc) they'd have the Bock Beer during Lent Season, and their
Hefe Weissbier was also very very tasty.

Used to many times order their sliced carved beef au jus (generally
rare), with mashed taters, and a nice salad. Many great dishes,
excellent bakery rye bread, they even at one time served fresh Oysters
on the 1/2 shell.

Although their food was always very good, it was said that it was
"catered in", in other words the food was NOT cooked on the premises.

Still my hat's off to a great establishment, great people, and waiters
who dedicated their lives to their jobs, and the exemplary service they
offered.

Yep, it's a sad day to see places like this vanish. Many other landmark
eateries too gone in Chicago, places like the Dill Pickle, the
Salzburger Hof on Clark St, Kuhns Delicatessen on Clark (Which I
understand is now in Northlake) and too many others to list.
mark
 
Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> sarah bennett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> sarah bennett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Margaret Suran wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>they do not serve bacon or ham, nor would they serve a cheeseburger.
>>>>>However, the really kosher Jews do not consider them to be kosher
>>>>>enough, as they are not closed for the Sabbath.
>>>>
>>>>Jews are not kosher.
>>>
>>>
>>>I kinda think she meant that the Jews who observe kosher (kashruth?)
>>>food practices don't consider them to be observing the rules closely
>>>enough because they are open for commerce on Saturdays, Or were. :-(
>>
>>I know what she meant. It just bugs the hell out of me when people use
>>that terminology.
>
>
> Why? What terminology would you have her use? Inquiring Mind Wants to
> Know.
> -Barb

"they keep kosher" or "we keep the laws of kashrut" rather than "he's
kosher" etc.

--

saerah

http://anisaerah.blogspot.com/

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
 
"sarah bennett" <[email protected]> wrote

> "they keep kosher" or "we keep the laws of kashrut" rather than "he's
> kosher" etc.

Actually, when this first started I was thinking it was a jokey thing
about eating humans.

nancy
 
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:00:26 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
<[email protected]> rummaged among random neurons
and opined:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> sarah bennett <[email protected]> wrote:

>> > I kinda think she meant that the Jews who observe kosher (kashruth?)
>> > food practices don't consider them to be observing the rules closely
>> > enough because they are open for commerce on Saturdays, Or were. :-(
>>
>> I know what she meant. It just bugs the hell out of me when people use
>> that terminology.
>
>Why? What terminology would you have her use? Inquiring Mind Wants to
>Know.

I think the term is "keeping kosher," said the red headed Welsh-Irish
Catholic girl.

Just sayin',
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
 
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:19:31 -0500, Margaret Suran
<[email protected]> rummaged among random neurons and
opined:

>
>
>Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

>> You ever win a check with Margaret? I swear, the woman got up at oh
>> dawn thirty to hoof it to the 2nd Ave. Deli to make sure Lisa and Mary
>> gave her the check. Next time, I'm going to have Kristen distract her
>> while I snag the check, but don't tell Margaret. <ssshhhh!>

>Terry, Guess from whom I learned to do it?

Lemme guess...are her initials BS (which really kinda fits when you
think about it)?

Archly,
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
 
In article <[email protected]>,
The Bubbo <[email protected]> wrote:
> Interestingly, when Daytons (a minneapolis based company) bought Marshall
> Fields a while back they went on to change the all the Daytons store names to
> Marshall Fields (I think they also changed Hudsons in Detroit to Marshall
> Fields as well). It was quite a shock here in Minneapolis, Daytons was an
> institution.
>
> There are still many of us who forget to call them Marshall Fields.

And many of us who will continue to call them Dayton's when the Field's
name becomes Macy's this Fall.
--
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 1-3-2006, Sam I Am! and Hello!
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Terry Pulliam Burd <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:19:31 -0500, Margaret Suran
> <[email protected]> rummaged among random neurons and
> opined:
>
> >
> >
> >Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>
> >> You ever win a check with Margaret? I swear, the woman got up at oh
> >> dawn thirty to hoof it to the 2nd Ave. Deli to make sure Lisa and Mary
> >> gave her the check. Next time, I'm going to have Kristen distract her
> >> while I snag the check, but don't tell Margaret. <ssshhhh!>
>
> >Terry, Guess from whom I learned to do it?
>
> Lemme guess...are her initials BS (which really kinda fits when you
> think about it)?

Hey, hey, hey!! It's Christmas Day! Have a little charity.
-B
--
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In article <[email protected]>,
sarah bennett <[email protected]> wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > sarah bennett <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <[email protected]>,
> >>> sarah bennett <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Margaret Suran wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>they do not serve bacon or ham, nor would they serve a cheeseburger.
> >>>>>However, the really kosher Jews do not consider them to be kosher
> >>>>>enough, as they are not closed for the Sabbath.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jews are not kosher.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I kinda think she meant that the Jews who observe kosher (kashruth?)
> >>>food practices don't consider them to be observing the rules closely
> >>>enough because they are open for commerce on Saturdays, Or were. :-(
> >>
> >>I know what she meant. It just bugs the hell out of me when people use
> >>that terminology.
> >
> >
> > Why? What terminology would you have her use? Inquiring Mind Wants to
> > Know.
> > -Barb
>
> "they keep kosher" or "we keep the laws of kashrut" rather than "he's
> kosher" etc.

OK, but I figure people can say whatever they want when they speak of
their own. :) Or their cousins. I was going to use the phrase "keep
kosher" in my first reply, but wasn't sure of its propriety. Glad to
know you think it's okay.
--
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"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Something similar has happened here in Chicago recently. The Berghoff,
> a famous old - time German resto that has been in business since 1898
> announced that it will be closing at the end of the month.

What a shame. My dad's from Chicago, and I grew up driving out from PA to
visit family in Chicagoland every Thanksgiving or so. I was introduced to
The Berghoff when I was little, and we continued to have lunch there nearly
every time we visited Chicago. I still remember their wonderful potato
pancakes and sauerbraten, even though the last time I ate there was over 20
years ago. Whenever I think of great German food, I think of The Berghoff...

Mary
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Melba's Jammin' <[email protected]> wrote:

> > There are still many of us who forget to call them Marshall Fields.
>
> And many of us who will continue to call them Dayton's when the Field's
> name becomes Macy's this Fall.

Ditto. It will be Dayton's until I die.

sd
 
me wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Melba's Jammin' <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>There are still many of us who forget to call them Marshall Fields.
>>
>>And many of us who will continue to call them Dayton's when the Field's
>>name becomes Macy's this Fall.
>
>
> Ditto. It will be Dayton's until I die.
>
> sd

I still call it Hudson's :)

--

saerah

http://anisaerah.blogspot.com/

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
 
sarah bennett wrote:
> me wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Melba's Jammin' <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>There are still many of us who forget to call them Marshall Fields.
>>>
>>>And many of us who will continue to call them Dayton's when the Field's
>>>name becomes Macy's this Fall.
>>
>>
>> Ditto. It will be Dayton's until I die.
>>
>> sd
>
> I still call it Hudson's :)
>

People try to correct me, but dammit...

also, when I was a kid, Frango mints were a treat, then they bought Marshall
Fields and started selling them up here and the magic was gone.

--
..:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
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