seeking shimano hierarchy list

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  1. johnblank79

    johnblank79 New Member

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    can anyone hook me up with a hierarchy/ranking of shimano parts (brakes, shifters, deraulliers etc.)? i've heard there are something like 10 different levels of quality but i don't know what's what. thanks in advance. (hope this topic hasn't already been covered here; i did a search and didnt find anything.)

    john
     
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    johnblank79 New Member

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    uh, make that "derailleurs"
     
  3. stubacca

    stubacca New Member

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    Hope this is what you're looking for, and that I've covered them all....

    For MTB
    Acera entry; 24-speed, great braking and shifting impressive function, great price
    Alivio active; 24-speed, great braking and shifting, stylish looks improved shifters, sleeker shapes, less weight
    Deore enthusiast; 27-speed, great braking and shifting, light sweet parts and price
    Deore LX sport; 27-speed, sweet braking and shifting, lighter, fine finish, durable nearly XT shifting and braking
    Deore XT race; 27-speed, lighter, great braking and shifting, beautiful, more durable works nearly as well as XTR
    XTR pro; 27-speed, superlight, phenomenal braking and shifting and ultra durable world's lightest and highest tech off-road parts group

    For ROAD

    Campagnolo
    Mirage entry-level; double or triple w/9 cogs fine function; some steel parts
    Veloce enthusiast-level; double or triple w/9 cogs nice function; less steel; better finish
    Daytona serious-level; double or triple w/9 or 10 cogs most affordable 10-speed group
    Chorus race-level; double or triple w/9 or 10 cogs almost Record quality and finish
    Record pro-level; double or triple w/9 or 10 cogs world's lightest group

    Shimano
    Sora entry-level; double or triple w/8 cogs some steel; shifts and brakes great
    Tiagra enthusiast-level; double or triple w/9 cogs less steel; more interchangeability
    105 serious-level; double or triple w/9 cogs great price; hollow crankarms
    Ultegra 600 race-level; double or triple w/9 cogs almost D-A quality; hollow arms
    Dura-Ace pro-level; double or triple w/9 cogs Lance's group; superlight
     
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    johnblank79 New Member

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    awesome. forums are good (or should that be "fora"?). thanks.

    john
     
  5. RalleighOke

    RalleighOke New Member

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    Personally, I would go for Campagnolo, quality is better, name sounds better, the look is better.

    PS: I have Shimano on my bike......Just waiting untill I have enough $$ one day.
     
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    Campagnolo: wear it IN.
    Shimano: wear it OUT.
     
  7. tmiller

    tmiller New Member

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    I've got a bike with some Simano 600, and RX100 Components. I've been searching for some older hierarchy lists, and found a 1997 list on the Sheldon Brown site.. here it is:

    1997 Shimano Road Group Heirarchy
    Dura Ace
    9-speed
    Ultegra
    105SC
    RX-100
    RSX

    ok,.. but where does 600 fit in? and when was it made? I've seen some parts called "Shimano Ultegra / 600"

    So, is 600 Ultegra level? and when did they change the names??
     
  8. mjw_byrne

    mjw_byrne New Member

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    A couple of minor corrections: The Campagnolo group stubacca calls "Daytona" is now called "Centaur". There is another Campagnolo group called "Xenon" below Mirage (i.e. Xenon is the very bottom of the range) - it is 9-speed, is cheaper than Mirage, and obviously not as light or as nicely finished. Also, Veloce now has a 10-speed version for 2004.
     
  9. boudreaux

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    The name became offically ultegra in 98 with 9 speed.Prior to that the labels said 600,but it was also often refered to as ultegra. Sheldon semi brainfarted it by calling ultegra in 97. should have been 600(ultegra). also DA was the only 9 speed Shimano group in 97.
     
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    boudreaux New Member

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    Sora is also availabe as 7 speed,but not widely available.
     
  11. tmiller

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    And steel is real??
     
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    Also omitted is the Tourney group which I believe is lower end than Acera.

    Question on older groups: were the EX300, EX600, and FX600 groups high/low/medium quality groups, were their cassettes and cranks steel or aluminum?
     
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    How true is the whole 'campag better than shimano' thing nowadays? Snobbery/tradition/euro-centricity aside. I mean in engineering terms.

    I remember the pre-aero, pre LeMond early 80's when i was a club cyclist, Campag was definitely the king of groupos then and shimano the pretender to the throne, but things have come a long way since then, technologically etc.

    Without wishing to provoke a barney, I'm just curious.
     
  15. jshowell78757

    jshowell78757 New Member

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    I've got both.
    Campy shifts smoother.
    Shimano seems crisper.
    I like the logic of Campy's shift levers more.
     
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    I thought of the reverse. Campy has that snap to its shifting.
     
  17. jshowell78757

    jshowell78757 New Member

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    Well, I'm probably not being completely fair in my comparison.

    I have 8 speed Dura-ace on a Cannondale. And 9 speed Chorus on a Vitus aluminum (compromised by a 9 speed Dura-ace cassette).

    If I compared first class "pure" Record 9 speed to first class Dura-ace 9 speed it might be a better comparison.

    Regardless, I still prefer the Campy. Maybe it's the idea that I can mix and match different Campy components - I can repair them etc. Shimano not so much. And, I don't think I'm being a bike snob.
     
  18. dgregory57

    dgregory57 New Member

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    Are you aware that you replied to a 2+ year old thread. I didn't catch on until the ranking listed 9 speed Campy, and I think that all of their current groups are 10 speed.
     
  19. jshowell78757

    jshowell78757 New Member

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    Old thread? Yup.
    Then again, I have old equipment (9 spd).
    I have a strong personal bias towards some of the older stuff.
    My sense is that chains and sprockets last longer with 9 speed road and 8 speed mountain. Nothing technical/scientific - just a feeling.
    Guess I'm a retrogrouch.
     
  20. Henrik Corfitz

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    at tanks for the overview
     
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