shimano 105 front derailleur limit screws

[Roger Zoul]

which one controls how far the derailer moves toward the frame and which
controls how far it moves from the frame? I can't find my manual, google
doesn't help, and turning the screws as much as a turn doesn't seem to make
a difference....tia.

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:01:21 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>which one controls how far the derailer moves toward the frame and which
>controls how far it moves from the frame? I can't find my manual, google
>doesn't help, and turning the screws as much as a turn doesn't seem to make
>a difference....tia.
Look at it with the derailleur in one position to see where the
derailleur hits the screw. Then move the derailleur to the other
position. You should be able to figure it out. No need to move the
screws to check.

JT

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[JeffWills]

Roger Zoul wrote:
> which one controls how far the derailer moves toward the frame and which
> controls how far it moves from the frame? I can't find my manual, google
> doesn't help, and turning the screws as much as a turn doesn't seem to make
> a difference....tia.

Service instructions and explowted [sic] views for the current Shimano
10 front derailleurs:
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/catalog/global/techdocs/list.jsp?FOLDER<>folder_id=2534374302041093

Same link, shortened:
http://tinyurl.com/anmn3

Jeff

 

[Roger Zoul]

JeffWills <[email protected]> wrote:
:> Roger Zoul wrote:
:>> which one controls how far the derailer moves toward the frame and
:>> which
:>> controls how far it moves from the frame? I can't find my manual,
:>> google
:>> doesn't help, and turning the screws as much as a turn doesn't seem
:>> to make
:>> a difference....tia.
:>
:> Service instructions and explowted [sic] views for the current
:> Shimano 10 front derailleurs:
:>
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/catalog/global/techdocs/list.jsp?FOLDER<>folder_id=2534374302041093
:>
:> Same link, shortened:
:> http://tinyurl.com/anmn3
:>
:> Jeff

Thanks, much!

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

JeffWills wrote:
> Roger Zoul wrote:
> > which one controls how far the derailer moves toward the frame and which
> > controls how far it moves from the frame? I can't find my manual, google
> > doesn't help, and turning the screws as much as a turn doesn't seem to make
> > a difference....tia.
>
> Service instructions and explowted [sic] views for the current Shimano
> 10 front derailleurs:
> http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/catalog/global/techdocs/list.jsp?FOLDER<>folder_id=2534374302041093
>
> Same link, shortened:
> http://tinyurl.com/anmn3
>
> Jeff

Unless it's an older 105 front der, then it's the other way. Top one is
outward travel and lower one is inward travel.

 

[Roger Zoul]

Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email protected]> wrote:
:> JeffWills wrote:
:>> Roger Zoul wrote:
:>> > which one controls how far the derailer moves toward the frame
:>> > and which
:>> > controls how far it moves from the frame? I can't find my
:>> > manual, google
:>> > doesn't help, and turning the screws as much as a turn doesn't
:>> > seem to make
:>> > a difference....tia.
:>>
:>> Service instructions and explowted [sic] views for the current
:>> Shimano 10 front derailleurs:
:>>
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/catalog/global/techdocs/list.jsp?FOLDER<>folder_id=2534374302041093
:>>
:>> Same link, shortened:
:>> http://tinyurl.com/anmn3
:>>
:>> Jeff
:>
:> Unless it's an older 105 front der, then it's the other way. Top one
:> is
:> outward travel and lower one is inward travel.

I bought the bike in 2003...specialized....

 

[Robin Hubert]

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> JeffWills wrote:
>
>>Roger Zoul wrote:
>>
>>>which one controls how far the derailer moves toward the frame and which
>>>controls how far it moves from the frame? I can't find my manual, google
>>>doesn't help, and turning the screws as much as a turn doesn't seem to make
>>>a difference....tia.
>>
>>Service instructions and explowted [sic] views for the current Shimano
>>10 front derailleurs:
>>http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/catalog/global/techdocs/list.jsp?FOLDER<>folder_id=2534374302041093
>>
>>Same link, shortened:
>>http://tinyurl.com/anmn3
>>
>>Jeff
>
>
> Unless it's an older 105 front der, then it's the other way. Top one is
> outward travel and lower one is inward travel.
>

It's so easy to see. Just move the derailleur in either direction by
hand and look to see which screw contacts the stop!

Robin

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

Robin Hubert wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>> JeffWills wrote:
>>
>>> Roger Zoul wrote:
>>>
>>>> which one controls how far the derailer moves toward the frame and
>>>> which controls how far it moves from the frame? I can't find my
>>>> manual, google doesn't help, and turning the screws as much as a
>>>> turn doesn't seem to make a difference....tia.
>>>
>>> Service instructions and explowted [sic] views for the current
>>> Shimano 10 front derailleurs:
>>> http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/catalog/global/techdocs/list.jsp?FOLDER<>folder_id=2534374302041093
>>>
>>> Same link, shortened:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/anmn3
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> Unless it's an older 105 front der, then it's the other way. Top one
>> is outward travel and lower one is inward travel.
>>
>
> It's so easy to see. Just move the derailleur in either direction by
> hand and look to see which screw contacts the stop!

A lot of them have hidden assemblies.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[Robin Hubert]

Care to name one in which you can't see the screws contact the arms?
In my limited experience I haven't seen one.

Robin

 

[Jasper Janssen]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:19:53 -0500, "Phil, Squid-in-Training"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Robin Hubert wrote:

>> It's so easy to see. Just move the derailleur in either direction by
>> hand and look to see which screw contacts the stop!
>
>A lot of them have hidden assemblies.

Move it by hand until it contacts the stop, *then* attempt to see what
happens when you use the screws.

Jasper

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

Jasper Janssen wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:19:53 -0500, "Phil, Squid-in-Training"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robin Hubert wrote:
>
>>> It's so easy to see. Just move the derailleur in either direction
>>> by hand and look to see which screw contacts the stop!
>>
>> A lot of them have hidden assemblies.
>
> Move it by hand until it contacts the stop, *then* attempt to see what
> happens when you use the screws.

My process when I do a limit adjustment is to do both, because it's for a
customer's bike anyways. First, I do the low by shifting to the smallest
chainring. Check which screw it is, adjust that screw, and then the other
must be the high. Free hamburgers for everyone!

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:19:53 -0500, "Phil, Squid-in-Training"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Robin Hubert wrote:

>> It's so easy to see. Just move the derailleur in either direction by
>> hand and look to see which screw contacts the stop!
>
>A lot of them have hidden assemblies.

A lot? I've never even seen one with a hidden assembly. Can you name
one?

JT

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[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

Robin Hubert wrote:
> Care to name one in which you can't see the screws contact the arms?
> In my limited experience I haven't seen one.

Yes. Consider yourself enlightened. Shimano old-school 105 braze-on,
Shimano XT top-swing, top pull, Shimano Alivio bottom-swing, top pull, all
on bikes in my own household.

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale2.jpg

(sorry for the following bad photos)
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k21.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k22.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k23.jpg

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp2.jpg

Clearly the 105 braze-on is fully enclosed, with absolutely no way of
viewing the screws, even from below. The XT is enclosed almost completely.
The Alivio is visible from below, but hardly a position one to want to
involve himself in for derailleur screw visibility.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

Robin Hubert wrote:
> Care to name one in which you can't see the screws contact the arms?
> In my limited experience I haven't seen one.

Yes. Consider yourself enlightened. Shimano old-school 105 braze-on,
Shimano XT top-swing, top pull, Shimano Alivio bottom-swing, top pull, all
on bikes in my own household.

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale2.jpg

(sorry for the following bad photos)
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k21.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k22.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k23.jpg

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp2.jpg

Clearly the 105 braze-on is fully enclosed, with absolutely no way of
viewing the screws, even from below. The XT is enclosed almost completely.
The Alivio is visible from below, but hardly a position one to want to
involve himself in for derailleur screw visibility.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

Robin Hubert wrote:
> Care to name one in which you can't see the screws contact the arms?
> In my limited experience I haven't seen one.

Yes. Consider yourself enlightened. Shimano old-school 105 braze-on,
Shimano XT top-swing, top pull, Shimano Alivio bottom-swing, top pull, all
on bikes in my own household.

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale2.jpg

(sorry for the following bad photos)
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k21.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k22.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k23.jpg

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp2.jpg

Clearly the 105 braze-on is fully enclosed, with absolutely no way of
viewing the screws, even from below. The XT is enclosed almost completely.
The Alivio is visible from below, but hardly a position one to want to
involve himself in for derailleur screw visibility.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:19:53 -0500, "Phil, Squid-in-Training"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Robin Hubert wrote:
>
>>> It's so easy to see. Just move the derailleur in either direction
>>> by hand and look to see which screw contacts the stop!
>>
>> A lot of them have hidden assemblies.
>
> A lot? I've never even seen one with a hidden assembly. Can you name
> one?

Yes. Consider yourself enlightened. Shimano old-school 105 braze-on,
Shimano XT top-swing, top pull, Shimano Alivio bottom-swing, top pull, all
on bikes in my own household.

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale2.jpg

(sorry for the following bad photos)
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k21.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k22.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k23.jpg

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp2.jpg

Clearly the 105 braze-on is fully enclosed, with absolutely no way of
viewing the screws, even from below. The XT is enclosed almost completely.
The Alivio is visible from below, but hardly a position one to want to
involve himself in for derailleur screw visibility.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:19:53 -0500, "Phil, Squid-in-Training"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Robin Hubert wrote:
>
>>> It's so easy to see. Just move the derailleur in either direction
>>> by hand and look to see which screw contacts the stop!
>>
>> A lot of them have hidden assemblies.
>
> A lot? I've never even seen one with a hidden assembly. Can you name
> one?

Yes. Consider yourself enlightened. Shimano old-school 105 braze-on,
Shimano XT top-swing, top pull, Shimano Alivio bottom-swing, top pull, all
on bikes in my own household.

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale2.jpg

(sorry for the following bad photos)
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k21.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k22.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k23.jpg

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp2.jpg

Clearly the 105 braze-on is fully enclosed, with absolutely no way of
viewing the screws, even from below. The XT is enclosed almost completely.
The Alivio is visible from below, but hardly a position one to want to
involve himself in for derailleur screw visibility.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:19:53 -0500, "Phil, Squid-in-Training"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Robin Hubert wrote:
>
>>> It's so easy to see. Just move the derailleur in either direction
>>> by hand and look to see which screw contacts the stop!
>>
>> A lot of them have hidden assemblies.
>
> A lot? I've never even seen one with a hidden assembly. Can you name
> one?

Yes. Consider yourself enlightened. Shimano old-school 105 braze-on,
Shimano XT top-swing, top pull, Shimano Alivio bottom-swing, top pull, all
on bikes in my own household.

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/cdale2.jpg

(sorry for the following bad photos)
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k21.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k22.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/k23.jpg

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp1.jpg
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp2.jpg

Clearly the 105 braze-on is fully enclosed, with absolutely no way of
viewing the screws, even from below. The XT is enclosed almost completely.
The Alivio is visible from below, but hardly a position one to want to
involve himself in for derailleur screw visibility.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

> http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp1.jpg
> http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp2.jpg

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp3.jpg

I forgot this one, showing the Alivio's bit of visibility from the other
side of the bike.
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

 

[Phil, Squid-in-Training]

> http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp1.jpg
> http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp2.jpg

http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/ebay/stp3.jpg

I forgot this one, showing the Alivio's bit of visibility from the other
side of the bike.
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training