Shimano R500 STI shifters?

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by MartinM, Dec 1, 2005.

  1. MartinM

    MartinM Guest

    Just found these on ebay; they look like just what I want (105 quality
    but 8 speed) to update my nice bike and cascade the old bits down. Has
    anyone ever heard of it and is it new? At £125 without the cables or
    140 with (assuming I lose the ones on ebay which is fairly guaranteed
    as I don't have sniper) it seems a bit pricey but will probably come
    down a bit if I wait
     
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  2. Clive George

    Clive George Guest

    "MartinM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >Just found these on ebay; they look like just what I want (105 quality
    >but 8 speed) to update my nice bike and cascade the old bits down. Has
    >anyone ever heard of it and is it new? At £125 without the cables or
    >140 with (assuming I lose the ones on ebay which is fairly guaranteed
    >as I don't have sniper) it seems a bit pricey but will probably come
    >down a bit if I wait


    Never heard of them but I'd give it a go for up to about 40 quid. 125 quid
    though? At that point I'd go to 9sp...

    cheers,
    clive
     
  3. MartinM

    MartinM Guest

    Clive George wrote:


    > Never heard of them but I'd give it a go for up to about 40 quid.


    you jest of course!; an old pair of RSX is up to 30 with 3 days to go

    125 quid

    Parkers price

    > though? At that point I'd go to 9sp...


    plus new frame/freehub etc etc?
     
  4. Jim Price

    Jim Price Guest

    MartinM wrote:
    > Just found these on ebay; they look like just what I want (105 quality
    > but 8 speed) to update my nice bike and cascade the old bits down. Has
    > anyone ever heard of it and is it new?


    I've certainly heard of them. They are "new" in the sense that they were
    not available before this year.

    > At £125 without the cables or
    > 140 with (assuming I lose the ones on ebay which is fairly guaranteed
    > as I don't have sniper) it seems a bit pricey but will probably come
    > down a bit if I wait


    I have successfully used Campagnolo 9 speed levers with 8 speed shimano
    components, and saved a packet to boot. I used Mirage levers, which I
    got for £40 new off eBay, but for ~£140 you can get Campagnolo 2003
    Chorus 9 speed Ergo levers, which would be higher quality than 105. If
    you prefer Shimano ergonomics, then just ignore that suggestion.

    JimP
     
  5. MartinM

    MartinM Guest

    Jim Price wrote:


    > I've certainly heard of them. They are "new" in the sense that they were
    > not available before this year.


    thanks; I think they are the 'generic' stuff shimano make to go with
    mix-n-match groupsets. If they are new I will bide my time, I reckon
    the ebays will go for 100

    > you prefer Shimano ergonomics, then just ignore that suggestion.


    I've only used Campag once and decided my thumbs are in the wrong place
    plus I need all the lever body I can get to grab hold of on my usual
    uphill antics ;-)
     
  6. PhilO

    PhilO Guest

    MartinM wrote:

    > ... as I don't have sniper)


    If you e-mail me, I'll recommend you to sign up for a sniper service.
    It's free to sign up and we'll both get free itroductory snipes. You
    don't need to buy any after that.

    PhilO
     
  7. Pete Biggs

    Pete Biggs Guest

    PhilO wrote:
    > MartinM wrote:
    >
    >> ... as I don't have sniper)

    >
    > If you e-mail me, I'll recommend you to sign up for a sniper service.
    > It's free to sign up and we'll both get free itroductory snipes. You
    > don't need to buy any after that.


    No need for any signing up with the one on www.vrane.com -- use the Public
    Snipe Box. It works.

    ~PB
     
  8. MartinM

    MartinM Guest

    Pete Biggs wrote:
    > PhilO wrote:
    > > MartinM wrote:
    > >
    > >> ... as I don't have sniper)

    > >
    > > If you e-mail me, I'll recommend you to sign up for a sniper service.
    > > It's free to sign up and we'll both get free itroductory snipes. You
    > > don't need to buy any after that.

    >
    > No need for any signing up with the one on www.vrane.com -- use the Public
    > Snipe Box. It works.


    thanks; will try, what happens when everyone in the world has signed up
    to it?
    "The Snipe Event Horizon"

    BTW I think the main reason I always lose out on ebay is;

    1. I am a tight fisted git
    2. A lot of what I have bought was such crap I wonder why I bothered
    (not usually cycling stuff; see 1)
     
  9. Clive George

    Clive George Guest

    "MartinM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > BTW I think the main reason I always lose out on ebay is;
    >
    > 1. I am a tight fisted git
    > 2. A lot of what I have bought was such crap I wonder why I bothered
    > (not usually cycling stuff; see 1)


    Think about it this way : you're not actually losing out. If the price is
    more than you want to pay, then there's no point.

    cheers,
    clive
     
  10. Simon Brooke

    Simon Brooke Guest

    in message <[email protected]>, MartinM
    ('[email protected]') wrote:

    > Clive George wrote:
    >
    >> Never heard of them but I'd give it a go for up to about 40 quid.

    >
    > you jest of course!; an old pair of RSX is up to 30 with 3 days to go
    > 125 quid
    > Parkers price
    >
    >> though? At that point I'd go to 9sp...

    >
    > plus new frame/freehub etc etc?


    If your frame's steel it will be fine. As to the freehub, if you're going
    go have to spend your time chasing obsolete parts and constantly having
    to worry 'is this compatible with...?' then you probably find in the
    long term that coming up to one known standard and date point would make
    life easier (and probably cheaper).

    Having said that, Shimano seem particularly good at built-in obsolescence
    and making damn sure that this year's stuff isn't compatible with last.

    --
    [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; in faecibus sapiens rheum propagabit
     
  11. Clive George

    Clive George Guest

    "MartinM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> though? At that point I'd go to 9sp...

    >
    > plus new frame/freehub etc etc?


    The 8 speed shifters you're looking at won't shift 8 of 9 properly - they'll
    shift a 7 speed hub ok and an 8 speed one properly. But if you've got an 8
    speed hub it's just a new cassette to get it to 9 speed - the hubs are the
    same.
    New chain. Front bits won't necessarily need changing. (although STI may not
    work with the front mech anyway for the cheaper ones).

    If you're running 8 of 9 on a 7 speed hub, you need 9sp shifters.

    cheers,
    clive
     
  12. MartinM

    MartinM Guest

    Simon Brooke wrote:
    > If your frame's steel it will be fine.

    it's not!

    As to the freehub, if you're going
    > go have to spend your time chasing obsolete parts and constantly having
    > to worry 'is this compatible with...?' then you probably find in the
    > long term that coming up to one known standard and date point would make
    > life easier (and probably cheaper).


    Promble is my frame is for 7 speed, I want upgrade to 8 only because
    of non-availability of decent range road cassettes (had the last one
    off ebay) and using Sora is a considerable downgrade. Shimano's website
    claims the r500 is compatible with all 8 speed other than Dura-Ace. I
    remember this range now; it's 105 with just Shimano branding so you can
    fit it to anything; only not quite as easy for my situation, my nice
    bike is double, so I can't put the Rx100 onto my audax bike which is
    triple, so it will have to go on the audax bike (I also don't want to
    split the rx100 groupset over two bikes). Evevtaully all the rubbbish
    old stuff will make a proper winter bike as I'm fed up with using the
    audax bike. So it looks like I'll have a nice new wheels new gears
    audax bike for 2007 (have to wear out the new 7 speed cassete first)
    which just happens to be the year of.....

    I think Shimano's strategy is more upgrade the number of gears each
    year; Ultegra 9 spd seems to be cheap at the mo
     
  13. MartinM

    MartinM Guest

    Clive George wrote:
    > "MartinM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    > >> though? At that point I'd go to 9sp...

    > >
    > > plus new frame/freehub etc etc?

    >
    > The 8 speed shifters you're looking at won't shift 8 of 9 properly - they'll
    > shift a 7 speed hub ok and an 8 speed one properly. But if you've got an 8
    > speed hub it's just a new cassette to get it to 9 speed - the hubs are the
    > same.
    > New chain. Front bits won't necessarily need changing. (although STI may not
    > work with the front mech anyway for the cheaper ones).
    >
    > If you're running 8 of 9 on a 7 speed hub, you need 9sp shifters.


    I'm planning to buy a new pair of 8 speed wheels (should have had the
    ones off Xpedia for £50) so everything will be cool; but will try my
    8spd wheel on my 7spd frame first just to make sure; I find it hard to
    believe that a 4 year old frame wont take 8 speed hubs; no mention was
    made of the gears when I bought it.
     
  14. MSeries

    MSeries Guest

    PhilO wrote:
    > MartinM wrote:
    >
    >
    >>... as I don't have sniper)

    >
    >
    > If you e-mail me, I'll recommend you to sign up for a sniper service.
    > It's free to sign up and we'll both get free itroductory snipes. You
    > don't need to buy any after that.
    >
    > PhilO
    >

    I have a sniper client that runs on your PC, free to use, free to obtain.
     
  15. Clive George

    Clive George Guest

    "MartinM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > I'm planning to buy a new pair of 8 speed wheels


    What's the difference between 8 speed wheels and 9 speed wheels? Ans = None.

    cheers,
    clive
     
  16. "Clive George" <[email protected]> writes:

    > "MartinM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    >> I'm planning to buy a new pair of 8 speed wheels

    >
    > What's the difference between 8 speed wheels and 9 speed wheels?
    > Ans = None.


    Bah! The 9 speed is one faster! ;)

    Chris
    --
    Chris Eilbeck
    MARS Flight Crew http://www.mars.org.uk/
    UKRA #1108 Level 2 UYB
    Tripoli UK Member #9527 LSMR
     
  17. MartinM

    MartinM Guest

    Chris Eilbeck wrote:
    > "Clive George" <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    > > "MartinM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]
    > >
    > >> I'm planning to buy a new pair of 8 speed wheels

    > >
    > > What's the difference between 8 speed wheels and 9 speed wheels?
    > > Ans = None.

    >
    > Bah! The 9 speed is one faster! ;)


    I have cancelled the snipe; looks like 8 speed will not just fit
    straight onto my bike (even with a new back wheel)

    here's what I want to do;

    race bike (FSVO race) Audax bike winter
    bike

    RX100 8 speed double RSX 7 speed triple does not
    exist
    Rx100 8 speed hubs Exage 7 speed hubs
    V V
    V

    RX100 8 speed double R500 8 speed triple RSX 7 speed
    double
    Rx100 8 speed hubs new 8 speed hubs Exage 7speed
    hubs

    short of buying a new bike, any suggestions?
     
  18. Clive George

    Clive George Guest

    "MartinM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > Chris Eilbeck wrote:
    >> "Clive George" <[email protected]> writes:
    >>
    >> > "MartinM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> > news:[email protected]
    >> >
    >> >> I'm planning to buy a new pair of 8 speed wheels
    >> >
    >> > What's the difference between 8 speed wheels and 9 speed wheels?
    >> > Ans = None.

    >>
    >> Bah! The 9 speed is one faster! ;)

    >
    > I have cancelled the snipe; looks like 8 speed will not just fit
    > straight onto my bike (even with a new back wheel)
    >
    > here's what I want to do;
    >
    > race bike (FSVO race) Audax bike winter
    > bike
    >
    > RX100 8 speed double RSX 7 speed triple does not
    > exist
    > Rx100 8 speed hubs Exage 7 speed hubs
    > V V
    > V
    >
    > RX100 8 speed double R500 8 speed triple RSX 7 speed
    > double
    > Rx100 8 speed hubs new 8 speed hubs Exage 7speed
    > hubs
    >
    > short of buying a new bike, any suggestions?


    So race bike stays the same?
    The other two frames: What material are they and what's the rear dropout
    spacing?

    cheers,
    clive
     
  19. MartinM

    MartinM Guest

    Clive George wrote:


    > So race bike stays the same?


    only 'cos I can't fit the RX100 front shifter to the Audax bike as am
    not sure if it's double or triple and it needs to be triple, any idea
    how I can find this out?

    > The other two frames: What material are they and what's the rear dropout
    > spacing?


    One frame, 7005, don't know spacing; fits an exage 7 speed hub (out of
    the box)

    other frame; haven't even got it yet; I bet you're thinking (as I have)
    "why not just buy a new audax bike?"

    because I can't see anything better than the one I already have for
    less than £1k when all it needs is new gears and eventually new rims.
    It only needs new gears and hubs because of rapidly diminishing 7 speed
    kit availability.

    I've never thrown away a bike ;-)
     
  20. Clive George

    Clive George Guest

    "MartinM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:1133483684.67282[email protected]

    >> So race bike stays the same?

    >
    >only 'cos I can't fit the RX100 front shifter to the Audax bike as am
    >not sure if it's double or triple and it needs to be triple, any idea
    >how I can find this out?


    How many clicks/positions? 3 = triple, 2 = double. But a 3-position triple
    isn't that great - no trim.

    (suck it and see! put both bikes next to each other, and run a cable from
    the shifter to the other bike and see if it works)

    >> The other two frames: What material are they and what's the rear dropout
    >> spacing?

    >
    >One frame, 7005, don't know spacing; fits an exage 7 speed hub (out of
    >the box)


    I think you need to get a ruler out and find out the spacing, otherwise it's
    impossible to make a sensible decision.

    >other frame; haven't even got it yet; I bet you're thinking (as I have)
    >"why not just buy a new audax bike?"


    >because I can't see anything better than the one I already have for
    >less than £1k when all it needs is new gears and eventually new rims.
    >It only needs new gears and hubs because of rapidly diminishing 7 speed
    >kit availability.


    I still reckon 9speed of some form is the way forwards.

    If the existing frame is 126mm, keep the existing hub, get new 9sp shifters
    and chain, and put 8 of 9 on the hub.
    If the existing frame is 130mm, you can get a new 8/9 speed wheel (they are
    identical), new 9sp shifters and chain and put a 9 speed cassette on.

    Alternatively you can get 7sp cassettes just as easily as 8sp - just get an
    8sp and remove one of the cogs! Do this until the hub (freehub or bearings)
    dies, then work out the next move - which should be to 9sp IMO.

    Your front shifter can remain the same whatever you do.

    cheers,
    clive
     
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