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    (Associated Press 10/24/04 story w2938s44 )

    Bicycle Turds found floating in River


    > >He told
    > >the American people that he was was going to "give" them health care.

    >
    > That's not what I heard. I heard:
    >
    > "I have a plan to let you buy into the same health care senators and
    > congressmen give themselves."
    > ~ John Kerry, in the second Kerry-Bush debate.
    >
    > Get out your word processor and search for the word "give" in the
    > transcript. You won't find him saying anything of the kind. He did
    > say this though:
    >
    > "I'm going to give you a tax cut."
    > ~ John Kerry, in the second Kerry-Bush debate.
    >
    > How pathetic your smear is! You can't even find a single REAL
    > embarrassing quote from Kerry, so you are reduced to fantasizing.
    >
    > SURELY there is something. Don't be so lazy. Do your research. Start
    > by reading the transcripts of the three debates.
    >
    >
    > Here is the transcript if you don't already have a copy:
    >
    > The Second Kerry-Bush Presidential Debate 2004-10-08
    >
    > SECOND PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES' DEBATE WASHINGTON
    > UNIVERSITY, ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI
    >
    > SPEAKERS:
    >
    > GEORGE W. BUSH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    >
    > U.S. SENATOR JOHN F. KERRY (MA), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL
    > NOMINEE
    >
    > CHARLES GIBSON, ABC ANCHOR
    >
    > GIBSON: Good evening from the Field House at Washington
    > University in St. Louis. I'm Charles Gibson of ABC News and
    > "Good Morning America."
    >
    > I welcome you to the second of the 2004 presidential debates
    > between President George W. Bush, the Republican nominee,
    > and Senator John Kerry, the Democratic nominee.
    >
    > The debates are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential
    > Debates.
    >
    > Tonight's format is going to be a bit different. We have
    > assembled a town-hall meeting. We're in the Show-Me State,
    > as everyone knows Missouri to be, so Missouri residents will
    > ask the questions.
    >
    > These 140 citizens were identified by the Gallup
    > Organization as not yet committed in this election.
    >
    > Now, earlier today, each audience member gave me two
    > questions on cards like this, one they'd like to ask the
    > president, the other they'd like to ask the senator.
    >
    > I have selected the questions to be asked and the order. No
    > one has seen the final list of questions but me, certainly
    > not the candidates.
    >
    > No audience member knows if he or she will be called upon.
    > Audience microphones will be turned off after a question is
    > asked.
    >
    > Audience members will address their question to a specific
    > candidate. He'll have two minutes to answer. The other
    > candidate will have a minute and a half for rebuttal. And I
    > have the option of extending discussion for one minute, to
    > be divided equally between the two men.
    >
    > All subjects are open for discussion.
    >
    > And you probably know the light system by now. Green light
    > at 30 seconds, yellow at 15, red at five, and flashing red
    > means you're done.
    >
    > Those are the candidates' rules. I will hold the candidates
    > to the time limits forcefully but politely, I hope.
    >
    > And now, please join me in welcoming with great respect,
    > President Bush and Senator Kerry.
    >
    > (APPLAUSE)
    >
    > Gentlemen, to the business at hand.
    >
    > The first question is for Senator Kerry, and it will come
    > from Cheryl Otis, who is right behind me.
    >
    > OTIS: Senator Kerry, after talking with several co-workers
    > and family and friends, I asked the ones who said they were
    > not voting for you, "Why?" They said that you were too
    > wishy-washy.
    >
    > Do you have a reply for them?
    >
    > KERRY: Yes, I certainly do.
    >
    > (LAUGHTER)
    >
    > But let me just first, Cheryl, if you will, I want to thank
    > Charlie for moderating. I want to thank Washington
    > University for hosting us here this evening.
    >
    > Mr. President, it's good to be with you again this evening,
    > sir.
    >
    > Cheryl, the president didn't find weapons of mass
    > destruction in Iraq, so he's really turned his campaign into
    > a weapon of mass deception. And the result is that you've
    > been bombarded with advertisements suggesting that I've
    > changed a position on this or that or the other.
    >
    > Now, the three things they try to say I've changed position
    > on are the Patriot Act; I haven't. I support it. I just
    > don't like the way John Ashcroft has applied it, and we're
    > going to change a few things. The chairman of the Republican
    > Party thinks we ought to change a few things.
    >
    > No Child Left Behind Act, I voted for it. I support it. I
    > support the goals.
    >
    > But the president has underfunded it by $28 billion.
    >
    > Right here in St. Louis, you've laid off 350 teachers.
    > You're 150 -- excuse me, I think it's a little more, about
    > $100 million shy of what you ought to be under the No Child
    > Left Behind Act to help your education system here.
    >
    > So I complain about that. I've argued that we should fully
    > funded it. The president says I've changed my mind. I
    > haven't changed my mind: I'm going to fully fund it.
    >
    > So these are the differences.
    >
    > Now, the president has presided over an economy where we've
    > lost 1.6 million jobs. The first president in 72 years to
    > lose jobs.
    >
    > I have a plan to put people back to work. That's not wishy-
    > washy.
    >
    > I'm going to close the loopholes that actually encourage
    > companies to go overseas. The president wants to keep them
    > open. I think I'm right. I think he's wrong.
    >
    > I'm going to give you a tax cut. The president gave the top
    > 1 percent of income-earners in America, got $89 billion last
    > year, more than the 80 percent of people who earn $100,000
    > or less all put together. I think that's wrong. That's not
    > wishy-washy, and that's what I'm fighting for, you.
    >
    > GIBSON: Mr. President, a minute and a half. BUSH: Charlie,
    > thank you, and thank our panelists.
    >
    > And, Senator, thank you.
    >
    > I can -- and thanks, Washington U. as well.
    >
    > I can see why people at your workplace think he changes
    > positions a lot, because he does. He said he voted for the
    > $87 billion, and voted against it right before he voted for
    > it. And that sends a confusing signal to people.
    >
    > He said he thought Saddam Hussein was a grave threat, and
    > now he said it was a mistake to remove Saddam Hussein from
    > power.
    >
    > No, I can see why people think that he changes position
    > quite often, because he does.
    >
    > You know, for a while he was a strong supporter of getting
    > rid of Saddam Hussein. He saw the wisdom -- until the
    > Democrat primary came along and Howard Dean, the anti-war
    > candidate, began to gain on him, and he changed positions.
    >
    > I don't see how you can lead this country in a time of war,
    > in a time of uncertainty, if you change your mind because of
    > politics.
    >
    > He just brought up the tax cut. You remember we increased
    > that child credit by $1,000, reduced the marriage penalty,
    > created a 10 percent tax bracket for the lower-income
    > Americans. That's right at the middle class.
    >
    > He voted against it. And yet he tells you he's for a middle-
    > class tax cut. It's -- you've got to be consistent when
    > you're the president. There's a lot of pressures. And you've
    > got to be firm and consistent.
    >
    > GIBSON: Mr. President, I would follow up, but we have a
    > series of questions on Iraq, and so I will turn to the next
    > questioner.
    >
    > The question is for President Bush, and the questioner is
    > Robin Dahle.
    >
    > DAHLE: Mr. President, yesterday in a statement you admitted
    > that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction, but
    > justified the invasion by stating, I quote, "He retained the
    > knowledge, the materials, the means and the intent to
    > produce weapons of mass destruction and could have passed
    > this knowledge to our terrorist enemies."
    >
    > Do you sincerely believe this to be a reasonable
    > justification for invasion when this statement applies to so
    > many other countries, including North Korea? BUSH: Each
    > situation is different, Robin.
    >
    > And obviously we hope that diplomacy works before you ever
    > use force. The hardest decision a president makes is ever to
    > use force. After 9/11, we had to look at the world
    > differently. After 9/11, we had to recognize that when we
    > saw a threat, we must take it seriously before it comes to
    > hurt us.
    >
    > In the old days we'd see a threat, and we could deal with it
    > if we felt like it or not. But 9/11 changed it all.
    >
    > I vowed to our countrymen that I would do everything I could
    > to protect the American people. That's why we're bringing Al
    > Qaida to justice. Seventy five percent of them have been
    > brought to justice.
    >
    > That's why I said to Afghanistan: If you harbor a terrorist,
    > you're just as guilty as the terrorist. And the Taliban is
    > no longer in power, and Al Qaida no longer has a place to
    > plan.
    >
    > And I saw a unique threat in Saddam Hussein, as did my
    > opponent, because we thought he had weapons of mass
    > destruction.
    >
    > And the unique threat was that he could give weapons of mass
    > destruction to an organization like Al Qaida, and the harm
    > they inflicted on us with airplanes would be multiplied
    > greatly by weapons of mass destruction. And that was the
    > serious, serious threat.
    >
    > So I tried diplomacy, went to the United Nations. But as we
    > learned in the same report I quoted, Saddam Hussein was
    > gaming the oil-for-food program to get rid of sanctions. He
    > was trying to get rid of sanctions for a reason: He wanted
    > to restart his weapons programs.
    >
    > We all thought there was weapons there, Robin. My opponent
    > thought there was weapons there. That's why he called him a
    > grave threat.
    >
    > I wasn't happy when we found out there wasn't weapons, and
    > we've got an intelligence group together to figure out why.
    >
    > But Saddam Hussein was a unique threat. And the world is
    > better off without him in power.
    >
    > And my opponent's plans lead me to conclude that Saddam
    > Hussein would still be in power, and the world would be more
    > dangerous.
    >
    > Thank you, sir.
    >
    > GIBSON: Senator Kerry, a minute and a half.
    >
    > KERRY: Robin, I'm going to answer your question.
    >
    > I'm also going to talk -- respond to what you asked, Cheryl,
    > at the same time.
    >
    > The world is more dangerous today. The world is more
    > dangerous today because the president didn't make the right
    > judgments.
    >
    > Now, the president wishes that I had changed my mind. He
     
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