Should Cyclists Pack Guns?

On Apr 19, 12:44 pm, Curtis L. Russell <[email hidden]>

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On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954

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I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
Tech campus?

And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
you made some point or another.

You don't think they would agree with gun control? Perhaps THIS is the
best homage we can pay them.

Bill Sornson said:

Just A User said:

Curtis L. Russell said:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:51:02 -0400, Just A User
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a
> wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
> constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
> where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents
> like those at the campus on Monday.

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Well, actually they do, but not in the quantity that the U.S. has,
and they seem to be somewhat less successful, even if the intent was
there. There have been incidents in Germany and Scotland and several
in Canada.

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Starting this thread - often initiated by those who like to tell
everyone what they will do to this driver or another - is pretty much
stupid. Doing it today is what makes it tasteless to boot.

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Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

I agree it's pretty tasteless, as I pointed out, until all guns are
banned and destroyed, these types of events will happen, but until
that time comes, control is the key.

Heaven knows the criminals will abide by laws and regulations. (Or, just
use gasoline and fertilizer.)-

You got a point there, but you can make it so much harder. When they
are intent on it, not even the American Constitution can stop them. 😉

Olebiker said:

On Apr 19, 12:52 pm, [email hidden] (Brent P)

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1) They do.
2) Crime is up, as citizens cannot defend themselves. The criminals if
they don't have guns just use other weapons.
3) The UK government is becoming more controling. Recent legislative
activity in the UK includes having government employees busting into
people's homes to take items equal in value to any fines (such as parking
tickets) owed to the government.

I rather appreciate a comment often attributed to Benjamin Franklin:
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves
neither liberty nor security"

I guess we should disband HOMELAND SECURITY then.

Dane Buson said:

In rec.bicycles.misc asshat1954 <[email hidden]> wrote:
<snipped for excessive wangst>

I'm touch surprised that it took you this long to crawl out from under
your bridge.

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Many people will use this terrible tragedy as an excuse to put through a
political agenda other than my own. This tawdry abuse of human suffering
for political gain sickens me to the core of my being. Those people who
have different political views from me ought to be ashamed of themselves
for thinking of cheap partisan point-scoring at a time like this. In any
case, what this tragedy really shows us is that, so far from putting
into practice political views other than my own, it is precisely my
political agenda which ought to be advanced.

It sounds like the political agenda advanced after 9/11. Did we need
9/11 to invade Iraq? I think we did.

On Apr 19, 3:40 pm, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

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I rather appreciate a comment often attributed to Benjamin Franklin:
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves
neither liberty nor security"

I guess we should disband HOMELAND SECURITY then.

Sounds good to me.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Just A User said:

Okay so that is one, but they are a lot less common than here in the U.S.

Here in the gun happy U.S. we have at least a couple of mass shootings
per year.

A lie, of course.
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Thumper said:

"donquijote1954" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...> Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and

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even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

Definitely, all motorcycle riders should carry sidearms (not bicyclists
though, they're all fruitcakes). Unfortunately, if we use them we'll go to
jail.

You should consider a motorcycle that explodes upon impact, or at
least a bumper sticker that declares so...

"You don't want your bicycle/motorcycle* ride to be spoiled by
careless drivers who intimidate you. Well, it's time you make them
feel you are about to explode..."

*it may also be used by small imported cars.

http://www.zazzle.com/product/128182721431690818

Olebiker said:

On Apr 19, 3:40 pm, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I rather appreciate a comment often attributed to Benjamin Franklin:
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves
neither liberty nor security"

Quoted message said:

I guess we should disband HOMELAND SECURITY then.

Sounds good to me.

Yet one less bureaucracy...

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every road and street, and it doesn't make me feel worthless. If
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California Republicans seem to be OK. I guess it has to do with having
a common sense governor...

For example, this "rigth wing," "conservative" Republican is doing
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Mr. Schwarzenegger's accomplishments, which have defied the political
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"He's doing better than I expected," said Gail Kaufman, a leading
Democratic strategist in the state.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040418-113752-6563r.htm

Road Glidin' Don said:

On Apr 19, 9:34 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

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Hey, we get screamed at, doored at,

Hopefully a door opener gets you some day, so we don't have to put up
with your retarded cross-posts anymore.

I'd consider it an act of terrorism. Bicycles should have the right to
be free from opening doors as well as from invasive cars. If someone
has the right ot bear arms, we should have the right to ride a bike
SAFELY on the streets, ie. WE NEED BIKE LANES.

On Apr 19, 3:48 pm, [email hidden] (Matthew T. Russotto)

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Just A User said:

Okay so that is one, but they are a lot less common than here in the U.S.

Quoted message said:

Here in the gun happy U.S. we have at least a couple of mass shootings
per year.

A lie, of course.

We are not the only one, but we are #1in gun violence... It's "as easy
to buy weapons as a loaf of bread," says this article that gauges
world opinion...

"The U.S. is not the only country in which random acts of gun violence
have erupted in seemingly everyday circumstances to destroy lives,
families and communities," said Britain's Guardian newspaper. "But the
U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and
politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things
happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a
perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf
of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any
madman can get hold of a gun," said Natalya Ivanova, a 22-year-old
secretary.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0704181378apr19,1,3882685.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

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"Thumper" wrote:
Definitely, all motorcycle riders should carry sidearm's (not bicyclists
though, they're all fruitcakes).

LOL!

I wish they'd (bicyclists) would pay something to ride the things on the
streets. Around here, they take one entire lane away from vehicle traffic
and give it to bicyclists who I rarely see riding in one. They sure get a
lot of free asphalt and impede the traffic flow for their selfishness.

We have a few bicycle rallys in the countryside each year that causes the
entire road to be closed for the day. People, mostly ranchers, cannot leave
or enter their property until the bicycle event is over. One said he was
going to release 200 head of cattle on the road just to make the event "more
eventful(less)."

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Unfortunately, if we use them <guns> we'll go to jail.

Yep. If they other party's family pushed the issue in court, their lawyers
will find it "illegally carried, stored, loaded, safety off, state-line
illegality, etc." You won't win (mostly 'cause you're a stinkin' biker).

Kind'a makes packing one on a bike pointless. Besides, they'll just run you
over or off the road anyway. By the time you get to it - if you still can -
they'll be long gone.

You have NO defense on a motorcycle -- unless you are in a pack of a dozen
or so other bikers who still may be alive to do the subsequent dirty work
for you that you cannot.

Mack

Just A User said:

Curtis L. Russell said:

donquijote1954 said:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a
little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia
Tech campus?

And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being
able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure
there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think
you made some point or another.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to
carry around on my rides.

Ken

Before Monday, the U.S. had not had an incident like that.
The U.K. also has surviellance cameras every 15 feet. Would you be
willing to live in an Orwellian world for a false sense of security?
I personally figure if some crazy wacko nutjob wants to go on a killing
spree, he'll find a way, with, or without a gun, and I'ld just as soon
improve my odds by having one to stop him.
Now that I've poked at the ant bed a little bit, i'm gonna go have a nap.

M. MacDonald said:

Quoted message said:

"Thumper" wrote:
Definitely, all motorcycle riders should carry sidearm's (not bicyclists
though, they're all fruitcakes).

LOL!

I wish they'd (bicyclists) would pay something to ride the things on the
streets. Around here, they take one entire lane away from vehicle traffic
and give it to bicyclists who I rarely see riding in one. They sure get a
lot of free asphalt and impede the traffic flow for their selfishness.

We have a few bicycle rallys in the countryside each year that causes the
entire road to be closed for the day. People, mostly ranchers, cannot leave
or enter their property until the bicycle event is over. One said he was
going to release 200 head of cattle on the road just to make the event "more
eventful(less)."

Of he could let the cows hang out on the road overnight the
night before ....

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On Apr 19, 8:34 am, donquijote1954 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

[snip]

SpikeBike did this *years* ago. Weren't you paying attention?

http://members.aol.com/clubnbc/spike_1.htm

-- Michael

In article <[email hidden]>,

donquijote1954 said:

Hey, we get screamed at, doored at, spitted upon, pushed around and
even killed, isn't it time we enjoy the same benefits as other
Americans? When is a cyclist going into a rage and mow down all those
careless SUV drivers who make us feel worthless?

I think you'll find your feelings of worthlessness
are rooted within. having a gun won't fix that, any
more than will driving a motor vehicle, getting drunk,
or any combination of the above.

Quoted message said:

Imagine this scenario: You get hit and as you roll down the pavement
you draw and...

1) drop the gun, causing it to uncontrolledly discharge

2) accidentally shoot an innocent bystander

3) inflict revenge that greatly exceeds the wrong/slight
done to you

4) shoot your eye out

5) lose the gun in some bushes, where some 7 year old
kid will later find it

Quoted message said:

I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't
Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't
we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to
launch a good nonviolent campaign?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^

There's already a bunch of them. They just don't
have your name on them (thank Goodness.)

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.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com said:

On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954

Quoted message said:

Excellent ! He supports the Constitution and fundamental
rights...

Just not civil liberties.

Question: Do you support the right for women to vote? The founding
fathers didn't. But we changed THAT to our liking, didn't we?

Just A User said:

Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack
job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the
constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K.
where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like
those at the campus on Monday.

No, instead they have nutcases like Michael Dosunmu who manage to
procure a FULL AUTO weapon in the UK and execute a murder plot.

Last Updated: Monday, 5 March 2007, 23:21 GMT

'Up to 30' heard boy murder plan

Police believe up to 30 people were present when the murder of
15-year-old Michael Dosunmu at his home in south-east London was planned.

Speaking on Crimewatch on Monday Det Ch Insp Fiona Mallon said his
murder may have been a case of mistaken identity.

Michael died of multiple gunshot wounds when two gunmen burst into the
bedroom of his Peckham home on 6 February.

Detectives said the weapon, a Mac 10 machine-gun, was still on London's
streets and could be used again.

Let's also not neglect to mention that the UK is now the land of
Natioanl ID cards and Big Brother cameras who are now having 2-way AUDIO
installed so the Queen and her minions can publicly scold you for
anything they see you doing that they think is bad.

Speaking of how safe the UK gun laws have made the (severely pussified)
Brits:

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/display.var.970828.0.girl_14_accused_of_supplying_machine_guns.php

Girl, 14, accused of supplying machine guns
By Ruth Holmes

A 14-YEAR-OLD girl from north-west London stands accused of conspiracy
to supply a machine gun capable of firing 1,000 rounds a minute.

The teenager, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is one of four
suspects from the area who appeared at High Barnet magistrates' court
charged with gun-related crimes.

She was charged with possessing two revolvers, a Mac-10 machine gun and
a second machine pistol.

A 16-year-old male youth was also accused of possessing a revolver with
intent to endanger life, as well as drugs and CS sprays.

18-year-old Korrey Johnson-Bell, of Westfield Close, Brent, was charged
with possession of a machine pistol while Genevieve Sahel, 31, also of
Westfield Close, faced charges of conspiracy to supply firearms,
possession of prohibited weapons and possession of ammunition.

Their court appearance on Saturday follows an investigation by London's
Trident crime unit, which handles gun crime in black communities. It
occurred as five more victims fell prey to gun crime in the capital this
weekend.
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Gang warfare upsurge

An internal police report, revealed by the Observer newspaper on Sunday,
painted a grim picture of the surge in gang warfare and "post-code
killings" in London.

The report focuses on Hackney, where father-of-two Steven
Nyembo-Ya-Muteba was murdered outside his home two weeks ago after
asking a gang of youths to be quiet.

It says gun and knife crime in the north-east London borough is
increasing more rapidly than anywhere in the capital.

The report, written by Superintendent Leroy Logan, highlights the
"terrible acts of gratuitous violence" that have afflicted the area,
"ending up in young people losing their lives or being badly injured,
because they were visiting the area and were known by the local violent
youth, showing the serious implications of district code warfare".

Violent music videos

The police chief points to a growing trend which is seeing gangs produce
music videos, being broadcast on digital music channels, encouraging
violent attacks on rivals.

The report, circulated across the Metropolitan police four months ago,
warns that if "gangster glamour, was not "shattered" it would
"continually end up in predator-type packs of youths committing the most
disgusting acts of violence and other forms of crime".

According to the Observer, police are particularly concerned about Sky
television's Channel U which is seen by some as glamorising gang culture.

Darren Platt, the director of Channel U, told the paper it had
"tightened things up" and now rejected videos advocating violence and guns.

Now, take your lying socialist drivel and stick it where the sun don't
shine.

donquijote1954 said:

On Apr 19, 3:48 pm, [email hidden] (Matthew T. Russotto)

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Just A User said:

Okay so that is one, but they are a lot less common than here in the U.S.
Here in the gun happy U.S. we have at least a couple of mass shootings
per year.

A lie, of course.

We are not the only one, but we are #1in gun violence... It's "as easy
to buy weapons as a loaf of bread," says this article that gauges
world opinion...

"The U.S. is not the only country in which random acts of gun violence
have erupted in seemingly everyday circumstances to destroy lives,
families and communities," said Britain's Guardian newspaper. "But the
U.S. is one of the few countries that seems collectively unwilling and
politically incapable of doing anything serious to stop such things
happening again."The slayings Monday at Virginia Tech reinforced a
perception that in the U.S., it is "as easy to buy weapons as a loaf
of bread," in the words of one Russian woman on a Moscow street. "Any
madman can get hold of a gun," said Natalya Ivanova, a 22-year-old
secretary.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0704181378apr19,1,3882685.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

I find it rather ironic that the newspaper publishing this drivel also
happens to be based in a city where handguns are ALREADY banned, yet it
has one of the HIGHEST crime rates in the nation.

In rec.bicycles.soc Road Glidin' Don said:

asshat1954 said:

Road Glidin' Don said:

Hopefully a door opener gets you some day, so we don't have to put up
with your retarded cross-posts anymore.

I'd consider it an act of terrorism. Bicycles should have the right to
be free from opening doors as well as from invasive cars. If someone
has the right ot bear arms, we should have the right to ride a bike
SAFELY on the streets, ie. WE NEED BIKE LANES.

You've got a newsgroup for bicycles which you don't stay in. No
reason to suppose, if you had bike lanes, you'd stay in them either.

I've never seen him post to the bicycle group except to troll via
crosspost. He's a miserable hypocritical mouth breathing cretin, and
I'm not sure he's ever seet foot to pedal on a bicycle.

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You've got a lot to learn about responsible use and sharing before you
start preaching to others, [censored].

I've got a call from the Mentally Handicapped Anti-Defamation League on
line one for you. :-)

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