Should you get a Free (Bicycle) Ride?



[email protected] (Matthew Russotto) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> DonQuijote1954 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >If the consumer always won, the Corporation would always be at the
> >point of collapse. The fact though that the Corporation and not the
> >individual consumer swim in money goes to prove who's on top.

>
> Don't be silly. If the corporation were to be at the point of
> collapse, who is going to be making those new consumer goods?
>
> (Socialism is such a fundamentally STUPID philosophy sometimes)


It may be good in the ends, but bad in the means...

Luckily there are other means, like having the workers and the
enterprise be one and the same thing...
 
Robert Coté <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > (Socialism is such a fundamentally STUPID philosophy sometimes)

>
> On the road of life socialism is the rumble strip in the breakdown lane.
> As we roll along we get visual, audible and then tactile warnings that a
> crash is imminent, we have drifted too far to the left.
>
> [comments mirrored to my blog]


And some times you lean so much to the extreme right that you end up
near the extreme left...
 
"Jack May" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<MIuNc.197664$XM6.75687@attbi_s53>...
> "Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > [email protected] (DonQuijote1954) writes:
> >
> > Well, since there were no attributions and a weird << >> around the
> > text instead of a normal quote string, I don't know who wrote:
> >
> > > at a cost of around $7 million a part of the roadbed is dedicated to
> > > foot and bicycle traffic, which of course means the number of auto
> > > traffic lanes are limited.

> >
> > The number of traffic lanes is always limited, regardless of whether
> > or not there are accomodations for pedestrians and cyclists. Although
> > for some peculiar reason, there is a subset of drivers who think that
> > every possible resoource should be allocated to building them new
> > roads- even though it is clear from a cursory examination of history
> > that building new road capacity does not improve traffic flow nor
> > reduce congestion. Trillions of dollars can be spent on roads,
> > without real improvement in the quality of life for people driving
> > cars.

>
> FAIRY TALE ALERT!
>
> Assumes that when a road is built that people will flood in from elsewhere
> just because of the road even when they don't have a job or house.
>
> The research is clear that this is nonsense.


Actually a better approach would to bring order into existing roads,
so more get there faster.

But what the heck, that's too much for America... ;(
 
"DonQuijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> What I'm about to say must remain in the upmost secrecy--as "they" may
> be reading our communications... ;)
>
> "Due to government secrecy, our citizens are often ignorant of the
> fact that our garrisons encircle the planet."
>


Secrecy? Anyone with a 1/4 of a brain could find the locations of all the
main US air bases and army posts in Europe.

For instance:
http://www.usafe.af.mil/usafes.htm

3 active Fighter wings (down from a max of ~15 in the 80's)

Pete
DQ - do you ever write anything original?
 
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:34:17 GMT, "HardwareLust" <[email protected]>

>DonQuijote1954 wrote:
>> Propose something absurd, make sure nothing is ever done about it.
>>
>> We live in a society and must be some things that make life
>> pleasurable: arts, parks, bike routes... Or you want people to pay for
>> their own parks too?

>
>Yes. The money used to build/maintain those types of things ("art", parks,
>bike routes) should come directly from the people that most use them and
>benefit from them, not from 'everyone'. If we do this, then it takes the
>decision on how to disburse general funds away from the politicians, and
>puts it back into the hands of the very people that want them. In case you
>haven't noticed, allowing politicians to decided when and how money is spent
>is usually a Very Bad Thing (tm).
>
>Make the users pay. That way, who benefits from it, pays for it. Artists
>pay for art, park goers pay for parks, bicyclists pay for bike routes.
>Takes the politics completely out of those decisions, and that's always a
>good thing. If there aren't enough users to support a particular
>activity/thing, than so be it. That way, the majority of the people will
>decide what's worth paying for and what's not by the direct application of
>their dollars, not the lobbys or the political parties deciding for us.
>


But most importantly of all, let's let the NFL, NHL, NBA, and MLB pay
for their own stadiums, parks, and arenas.

They've got enough to pay a lot of people multi-million dollar a year
salaries, but the taxpayers who will never see that much money in their
entire lives.
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On 22 Jul 2004 10:24:26 -0700, [email protected]
(DonQuijote1954)

>> Bicycle riders should have to pay a tax or a toll to ride on the
>> streets and roadway paid by liquid fuel taxes. The money should
>> then be used to build cycle roadways. EVERYONE would benefit.
>> Unfortunately bicycle riders want to continue to ride for free.
>> It the American way I guess, to believe the government should tax
>> someone else for the things you want for free.

>
>Propose something absurd, make sure nothing is ever done about it.
>
>We live in a society and must be some things that make life
>pleasurable: arts, parks, bike routes... Or you want people to pay for
>their own parks too?
>


Hell, make pedestrians pay too. Shoe tax. Just make it illegal to go
barefoot. Get 'em for tax evasion and health code violations. After
all, it's for our own good.

>http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote


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[email protected] (DonQuijote1954) wrote:

>Mike1 <[email protected]> wrote in message


>> >Yeah, they keep paying George W. Bush's salary. I hate when that
>> >happens.

>>
>> Stop paying.

>
>Go to prison!



Don't tell.

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Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike1 <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> [email protected] (DonQuijote1954) wrote:
>>
>>>We live in a society and must be some things that make life
>>>pleasurable: arts, parks, bike routes... Or you want people to pay
>>>for their own parks too?

>>
>> That would be the ethical thing to do, but I see you're all
>> thoroughly committed to *robbery*.

>
>And we can see



"We"? Your gerbil can see from inside of there?
Are you wearing a colostomy-bag?


> .... you're thoroughly committed to being a nutjob.



You pose that as if it were a refutation of the veracity of my
observation.

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[email protected] (DonQuijote1954) wrote:

>Mike1 <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> somebody wrote:
>> >We live in a society and must be some things that make life
>> >pleasurable: arts, parks, bike routes... Or you want people to pay for
>> >their own parks too?

>>
>> That would be the ethical thing to do, but I see you're all thoroughly
>> committed to *robbery*.

>
>Pardon, our insisting on minimum rules of social behavior,



The first rule of social behavior is "Don't steal other people's stuff."
When a government wades in and begins ripping off property, "social
behavior" is relegated to the peripheral actions of individuals trading
off-the-books.


>but cyclists paying for bike paths is very UNFAIR.



"Fair" is an arbitrary. Why should you have your next *meal* at
anyone's expense other than your own?


>Actually each cyclist shoulp pay only for the paths THEY use.
>Why should I pay for the path that somebody else uses?



Why should you pay for anything at all unless you've explicitly
*consented* to the expenditure in the first place?

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>>> >But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine,
>>> >public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public
>>> >health, what have the Romans ever done for us!?


Killed Archimedes before he finished his mechanical calculator two
millenia before Babbage.

*Next*!

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Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:

>Trillions of dollars can be spent on roads,
>without real improvement in the quality of life for people driving cars.



The idiots! They should be riding mules.

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"Jack May" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Tim McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> reduce congestion. Trillions of dollars can be spent on roads,
>> without real improvement in the quality of life for people driving
>> cars.

>
>FAIRY TALE ALERT!
>
>Assumes that when a road is built that people will flood in from elsewhere
>just because of the road even when they don't have a job or house.
>
>The research is clear that this is nonsense.



I don't know about "research", but I do know that a man named James J.
Hill built a transcontinental railroad across thousands of miles of
NOTHING (without a wooden nickel of tax-funding) with *precisely* that
in mind, and his Great Northern became so wildly successful that his
competitors ran bawling to Congress to shut him down.

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[email protected] (DonQuijote1954) wrote:

>Actually a better approach would to bring order into existing roads,
>so more get there faster.



It's your one vote against millions of cretins'.

Good luck!


(But seriously: American-style square-intersections are a clusterfuck. A
couple years ago, I was in Mombasa, Kenya, where only one working street
light remains in town -- a square intersection in front of the
government center. The traffic jam near it lasts half the day. English
"round-abouts comprise all other intersections, and traffic flows at a
brisk 35mph at all hours.

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> On the road of life socialism is the rumble strip in the
> breakdown lane. As we roll along we get visual, audible
> and then tactile warnings that a crash is imminent, we have
> drifted too far to the left.


=v= I guess this overwrought metaphor must be based on a British
breakdown lane. Here in God's Own Country (George Dubya Bush's
U!S!A! U!S!A!), we put our breakdown lanes on the right.

> [comments mirrored to my blog]


=v= A repository of similarly deathless wisdom, no doubt.
<_Jym_>
 
"Pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "DonQuijote1954" <[email protected]> wrote
> >
> > What I'm about to say must remain in the upmost secrecy--as "they" may
> > be reading our communications... ;)
> >
> > "Due to government secrecy, our citizens are often ignorant of the
> > fact that our garrisons encircle the planet."
> >

>
> Secrecy? Anyone with a 1/4 of a brain could find the locations of all the
> main US air bases and army posts in Europe.
>
> For instance:
> http://www.usafe.af.mil/usafes.htm
>
> 3 active Fighter wings (down from a max of ~15 in the 80's)
>
> Pete
> DQ - do you ever write anything original?


What I write is VERY original. ;) Then I back it up with facts.

That guy was saying that garrisons did NOT encicle the globe... The
surprising fact is how many of them there are, and what they are used
for.... shhhhhh
 
Mike1 <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<Mitchell-Holman-special-ed-project-07566B.03320328072004@news.usfamily.net>...
> [email protected] (DonQuijote1954) wrote:
>
> >Actually a better approach would to bring order into existing roads,
> >so more get there faster.

>
>
> It's your one vote against millions of cretins'.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> (But seriously: American-style square-intersections are a clusterfuck. A
> couple years ago, I was in Mombasa, Kenya, where only one working street
> light remains in town -- a square intersection in front of the
> government center. The traffic jam near it lasts half the day. English
> "round-abouts comprise all other intersections, and traffic flows at a
> brisk 35mph at all hours.


Thanks. But there are a few other voices out there...

The Truth Will Emerge
The Truth Will Emerge
"Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again, - -
The eternal years of God are hers;
But Error, wounded, writhes in pain,
And dies among his worshippers."

In the land of the fox, there's a Byrd that offers a glimmer of hope.
I was surprised by the clarity and courage of US Senator Robert C.
Byrd in squarely challenging the jungle. Look at this...

"The Truth Will Emerge"

Truth has a way of asserting itself despite all attempts to obscure
it. Distortion only serves to derail it for a time. No matter to what
lengths we humans may go to obfuscate facts or delude our fellows,
truth has a way of squeezing out through the cracks, eventually.

But the danger is that at some point it may no longer matter. The
danger is that damage is done before the truth is widely realized. The
reality is that, sometimes, it is easier to ignore uncomfortable facts
and go along with whatever distortion is currently in vogue. We see a
lot of this today in politics. I see a lot of it -- more than I would
ever have believed -- right on this Senate Floor.

Regarding the situation in Iraq, it appears to this Senator that the
American people may have been lured into accepting the unprovoked
invasion of a sovereign nation, in violation of long-standing
International law, under false premises. There is ample evidence that
the horrific events of September 11 have been carefully manipulated to
switch public focus from Osama Bin Laden and Al Queda who masterminded
the September 11th attacks, to Saddam Hussein who did not. The run up
to our invasion of Iraq featured the President and members of his
cabinet invoking every frightening image they could conjure, from
mushroom clouds, to buried caches of germ warfare, to drones poised to
deliver germ laden death in our major cities. We were treated to a
heavy dose of overstatement concerning Saddam Hussein's direct threat
to our freedoms. The tactic was guaranteed to provoke a sure reaction
from a nation still suffering from a combination of post traumatic
stress and justifiable anger after the attacks of 911. It was the
exploitation of fear. It was a placebo for the anger.

(snip)

Despite our high-blown claims of a better life for the Iraqi people,
water is scarce, and often foul, electricity is a sometime thing, food
is in short supply, hospitals are stacked with the wounded and maimed,
historic treasures of the region and of the Iraqi people have been
looted, and nuclear material may have been disseminated to heaven
knows where, while U.S. troops, on orders, looked on and guarded the
oil supply.

Meanwhile, lucrative contracts to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure and
refurbish its oil industry are awarded to Administration cronies,
without benefit of competitive bidding, and the U.S. steadfastly
resists offers of U.N. assistance to participate. Is there any wonder
that the real motives of the U.S. government are the subject of
worldwide speculation and mistrust?

(snip)

But, I contend that, through it all, the people know. The American
people unfortunately are used to political shading, spin, and the
usual chicanery they hear from public officials. They patiently
tolerate it up to a point. But there is a line. It may seem to be
drawn in invisible ink for a time, but eventually it will appear in
dark colors, tinged with anger. When it comes to shedding American
blood - - when it comes to wreaking havoc on civilians, on innocent
men, women, and children, callous dissembling is not acceptable.
Nothing is worth that kind of lie - - not oil, not revenge, not
reelection, not somebody's grand pipedream of a democratic domino
theory.

And mark my words, the calculated intimidation which we see so often
of late by the "powers that be" will only keep the loyal opposition
quiet for just so long. Because eventually, like it always does, the
truth will emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built of
deceit, will fall.

http://byrd.senate.gov/byrd_speeche...may_list_2.html
 
Mike1 <[email protected]> writes:

> The first rule of social behavior is "Don't steal other people's
> stuff." When a government wades in and begins ripping off property,
> "social behavior" is relegated to the peripheral actions of
> individuals trading off-the-books.


Tell that to Native Americans.

I presume that you are again talking about taxation, and again making
the inaccurate equation "taxation = stealing" that right wing nutjobs
so love to do. You're wrong, simple as that, but you'll never be
convinced of it.
 
Mike1 <[email protected]> writes:

> I don't know about "research", but I do know that a man named James
> J. Hill built a transcontinental railroad across thousands of miles
> of NOTHING (without a wooden nickel of tax-funding) with *precisely*
> that in mind, and his Great Northern became so wildly successful
> that his competitors ran bawling to Congress to shut him down.


Actually, James J. Hill built his railroad across the sovereign lands
of more than four dozen distinct tribal groups without regard to
property rights or ethics. But, as is usually the case in these
discussions, the owners of the property didn't count (and still don't
because they aren't white and mostly can't afford to buy Congressmen
for themselves).