silly question about old bike and now ...

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by emma middlebrook, Sep 19, 2004.

  1. Hi

    I bought my son a Raleigh Record Sprint in 1986. Can't remember how
    much it cost, maybe £240? He's still riding it now after many, many,
    new parts (!!!) but I thought, for a 30th birthday present, I'd
    surprise him with the money for a more modern road/'Audax' bike (20
    mile daily commute plus weekend 50 mile cycles).

    Questions:

    In today's money how much would £240 be? £700?

    Would you be able to show me examples of what he might be able to get
    which is a similar style of bicycle? He loves his poor old 501 frame
    but I guess they don't make these any longer and there must be some
    better things around.

    Thank you very much!

    Emma Middlebrook
    [email protected]
     
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  2. David Martin

    David Martin Guest

    On 19/9/04 9:42 pm, in article
    [email protected], "emma middlebrook"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Hi
    >
    > I bought my son a Raleigh Record Sprint in 1986. Can't remember how
    > much it cost, maybe £240? He's still riding it now after many, many,
    > new parts (!!!) but I thought, for a 30th birthday present, I'd
    > surprise him with the money for a more modern road/'Audax' bike (20
    > mile daily commute plus weekend 50 mile cycles).
    >
    > Questions:
    >
    > In today's money how much would £240 be? £700?
    >
    > Would you be able to show me examples of what he might be able to get
    > which is a similar style of bicycle? He loves his poor old 501 frame
    > but I guess they don't make these any longer and there must be some
    > better things around.


    It really is a leading question.. I think your figure of £700 would be about
    right and definitely not going to do it down. For that money he'd get a good
    steel or aluminium frame (but not a top of the range hand built one), good
    components and it will give him years of cycling pleasure.

    If you want it to be a surprise then I'd do something along the lines of
    getting a small model bike (ie matchbox toy type of thing) to wrap up, and
    then talk to him about the full sized version afterwards. Otherwise, because
    bikes are individual things, it really is essential to chat to him about it.

    If you don't want to just give a budget figure, then we can suggest
    appropriate models that would give him an idea of the right sort of range
    you are prepared to pay for. eg. a Dawes Audax or a Thorn club tour or Orbit
    Helium Audax (Actually, this last one looks very good value at £500 and is a
    slightly better frame than the record sprint and with modern, good
    components. http://www.orbit-cycles.com, and Orbit are very well regarded).

    Hope this helps. Do let us know how he gets on.

    ...d

    > Thank you very much!
    >
    > Emma Middlebrook
    > [email protected]
     
  3. JBB

    JBB Guest

    "David Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:BD73B27C.20F14%[email protected]
    > On 19/9/04 9:42 pm, in article
    > [email protected], "emma middlebrook"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Hi
    > >
    > > I bought my son a Raleigh Record Sprint in 1986. Can't remember how
    > > much it cost, maybe £240? He's still riding it now after many, many,
    > > new parts (!!!) but I thought, for a 30th birthday present, I'd
    > > surprise him with the money for a more modern road/'Audax' bike (20
    > > mile daily commute plus weekend 50 mile cycles).
    > >
    > > Questions:
    > >
    > > In today's money how much would £240 be? £700?
    > >
    > > Would you be able to show me examples of what he might be able to get
    > > which is a similar style of bicycle? He loves his poor old 501 frame
    > > but I guess they don't make these any longer and there must be some
    > > better things around.

    >
    > It really is a leading question.. I think your figure of £700 would be

    about
    > right and definitely not going to do it down. For that money he'd get a

    good
    > steel or aluminium frame (but not a top of the range hand built one), good
    > components and it will give him years of cycling pleasure.
    >
    > If you want it to be a surprise then I'd do something along the lines of
    > getting a small model bike (ie matchbox toy type of thing) to wrap up, and
    > then talk to him about the full sized version afterwards. Otherwise,

    because
    > bikes are individual things, it really is essential to chat to him about

    it.
    >
    > If you don't want to just give a budget figure, then we can suggest
    > appropriate models that would give him an idea of the right sort of range
    > you are prepared to pay for. eg. a Dawes Audax or a Thorn club tour or

    Orbit
    > Helium Audax (Actually, this last one looks very good value at £500 and is

    a
    > slightly better frame than the record sprint and with modern, good
    > components. http://www.orbit-cycles.com, and Orbit are very well

    regarded).
    >
    > Hope this helps. Do let us know how he gets on.
    >
    > ..d
    >
    > > Thank you very much!
    > >
    > > Emma Middlebrook
    > > [email protected]


    I'd second that as a brilliant idea, he gets the surprise and the fun of
    buying a new bike. Lots of choice around that price range; have fun. When he
    posts here for advice we'll all put in suggestions!

    Julia
     
  4. JBB

    JBB Guest

    "David Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:BD73B27C.20F14%[email protected]
    > On 19/9/04 9:42 pm, in article
    > [email protected], "emma middlebrook"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Hi
    > >
    > > I bought my son a Raleigh Record Sprint in 1986. Can't remember how
    > > much it cost, maybe £240? He's still riding it now after many, many,
    > > new parts (!!!) but I thought, for a 30th birthday present, I'd
    > > surprise him with the money for a more modern road/'Audax' bike (20
    > > mile daily commute plus weekend 50 mile cycles).
    > >
    > > Questions:
    > >
    > > In today's money how much would £240 be? £700?
    > >
    > > Would you be able to show me examples of what he might be able to get
    > > which is a similar style of bicycle? He loves his poor old 501 frame
    > > but I guess they don't make these any longer and there must be some
    > > better things around.

    >
    > It really is a leading question.. I think your figure of £700 would be

    about
    > right and definitely not going to do it down. For that money he'd get a

    good
    > steel or aluminium frame (but not a top of the range hand built one), good
    > components and it will give him years of cycling pleasure.
    >
    > If you want it to be a surprise then I'd do something along the lines of
    > getting a small model bike (ie matchbox toy type of thing) to wrap up, and
    > then talk to him about the full sized version afterwards. Otherwise,

    because
    > bikes are individual things, it really is essential to chat to him about

    it.
    >
    > If you don't want to just give a budget figure, then we can suggest
    > appropriate models that would give him an idea of the right sort of range
    > you are prepared to pay for. eg. a Dawes Audax or a Thorn club tour or

    Orbit
    > Helium Audax (Actually, this last one looks very good value at £500 and is

    a
    > slightly better frame than the record sprint and with modern, good
    > components. http://www.orbit-cycles.com, and Orbit are very well

    regarded).
    >
    > Hope this helps. Do let us know how he gets on.
    >
    > ..d
    >
    > > Thank you very much!
    > >
    > > Emma Middlebrook
    > > [email protected]


    Hi David, don't like to correct you but I relive the Orbit site is
    www.orbit-cycles.co.uk

    HTH
    Julia
     
  5. David Martin

    David Martin Guest

    On 19/9/04 10:35 pm, in article [email protected], "JBB"
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    > Hi David, don't like to correct you but I relive the Orbit site is
    > www.orbit-cycles.co.uk


    Spot on.. my mistake and most worthy of correction.

    I'm currently trying to decide whether to go for a new bike to replace my
    current road bike, or to surreptitiously upgrade it over the winter. It
    needs a respray, if the rear forks get widened it needs a new rear wheel. It
    needs new headset and I may as well upgrade the forks. I'd like to change
    the front chainset for a compact double which will mean serious money as I
    like short cranks.. I feel the TA Vega urge coming on.

    If I get a new wheel then it will be 8/9/10 speed instead of 7 speed which
    will mean new STI levers (and I just bought a set of 7 speed to fit..

    All in all about 400 pounds worth of work.

    If I buy a new bike I'll still have to change the cranks.

    How do I get this one past SWMBO?

    ...d
     
  6. Simon Brooke

    Simon Brooke Guest

    in message <[email protected]>, emma
    middlebrook ('[email protected]') wrote:

    > Hi
    >
    > I bought my son a Raleigh Record Sprint in 1986. Can't remember how
    > much it cost, maybe £240? He's still riding it now after many, many,
    > new parts (!!!) but I thought, for a 30th birthday present, I'd
    > surprise him with the money for a more modern road/'Audax' bike (20
    > mile daily commute plus weekend 50 mile cycles).


    Yup, I've got a Raleigh Record Sprint, I even did an audax on it this
    year. Very reasonable bike.

    >
    > Questions:
    >
    > In today's money how much would £240 be? £700?


    You can get pretty decent road bike in the sort of £700 range these
    days. The Record Sprint wasn't a top range bike by any means even in
    its day, so a modern £500 bike is probably in the same sort of market
    niche - a lot better than crap but not excellent.

    'Crap' and 'Excellent' have shifted a long way in eighteen years. Even
    the cheap bikes are better, and the really good ones are a huge amount
    better. The brakes really work, which they never used to. You get many
    more gears, and they change with much greater accuracy.

    £700 would buy something a bit better - particularly at this time of
    year when shops are clearing 2004 models to make way for 'next year'
    bikes which are just coming in.

    > Would you be able to show me examples of what he might be able to get
    > which is a similar style of bicycle? He loves his poor old 501 frame
    > but I guess they don't make these any longer and there must be some
    > better things around.


    501 was the very bottom of Reynolds range even at the time. My Record
    Sprint weighs 28 lbs without lights or luggage, which is more than 25%
    heavier than my new road bike.

    Models to look at around £700 include

    Cannondale R500 - beautiful frame, mid-range components, 22lbs.
    Aluminium frame and fork so possibly a little harsher ride than the
    Record Sprint.

    Dawes Audax - steel frame in Reynolds 631, which is pretty much a direct
    descendent of 501, upper mid-range components. 26lbs. Nearer £800.

    Specialized Allez Sport - reasonable aluminium frame, carbon fork,
    mid-range components, 21lbs. Nearer £750. The carbon fork should make
    the ride less harsh than aluminium, so more like a steel frame.

    These are all big name brands you can get in many good shops around the
    country.

    HOWEVER

    If you want to give a cyclist a really good present and have £700 to
    spend, you might consider having a frame custom built for him. There
    are a number of specialist custom builders around the country who will
    build a frame to your son's measurements and painted in his choice of
    colours. £700 will buy a custom frame; it won't buy the wheels, brakes,
    gears, saddle etc which will add at least an extra three or four
    hundred if of reasonable quality. But the frame could be built up
    initially with cheap or second hand parts and then have these swapped
    for better ones as they wear out.

    Frame builders to consider include

    Paul Hewitt, Leyland <URL:http://www.hewittbikefitting.co.uk/>
    Terry Dolan, Liverpool <URL:http://www.bikes-dolan.uk.com/>
    (my new bike has a Dolan all carbon fibre frame - it's gorgeous)
    Robin Mather, Bath <URL:http://www.robinmathercycles.co.uk/>

    There are plenty of others. If this idea appeals to you I'm sure other
    people on the group could offer recommendations.

    --
    [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

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  7. Juliette

    Juliette Guest

    In article <BD73C3FF.20F39%[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    <snip details of bike upgrades>
    > How do I get this one past SWMBO?


    Does she not have a vice of her own? I always encourage Simon to
    spend spare funds on bike/boat bits so that I can be encouraged
    to have bike/sewing bits. It works very well. Of course, our
    settee is ugly and at least 20 years old and the sitting room
    carpet is just awful, but I think we have our priorities right:)

    Juliette
    --
     
  8. David Martin

    David Martin Guest

    On 19/9/04 11:41 pm, in article
    [email protected], "Juliette"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <BD73C3FF.20F39%[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] says...
    > <snip details of bike upgrades>
    >> How do I get this one past SWMBO?

    >
    > Does she not have a vice of her own?


    I'm trying to encourage some.. No great expensive or time consuming passions
    though ;-) There are other things clamouring for a limited income (like
    rebuilding bits of the house).

    > I always encourage Simon to
    > spend spare funds on bike/boat bits so that I can be encouraged
    > to have bike/sewing bits.


    The operative word is 'spare'.. Which reminds me, I must get the boat out of
    the garage to make room for the bikes...

    > It works very well. Of course, our
    > settee is ugly and at least 20 years old and the sitting room
    > carpet is just awful, but I think we have our priorities right:)


    You sit on the settee, you don't look at it, and the carpet is for walking
    on, not eating off. No problem. The carpet in our spare room (where I am
    right now) was part of the fittings when we bought the house and it is less
    than complete in places.

    I'll work on the vices and get the necessary parts bit by bit.. Eventually
    I'll buy a new frame and the whole bike will be sorted, Then I can put the
    old bits back on the old frame..

    ...d
     
  9. micky

    micky Guest

    SWMBO ??????????????????????????


    confused

    mike quinn



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  10. Graeme

    Graeme Guest

    "micky" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
    win.ntli.net:

    > SWMBO ??????????????????????????
    >


    She Who Must Be Obeyed!

    Originally, I think, from the "Rumpole of the Bailey" books/programmes.


    Graeme
     
  11. mark

    mark Guest

    "Graeme" wrote...
    > "micky" wrote:
    >
    > > SWMBO ??????????????????????????
    > >

    >
    > She Who Must Be Obeyed!
    >
    > Originally, I think, from the "Rumpole of the Bailey" books/programmes.
    >
    >
    > Graeme

    ISTR a novel titled "She" by H. Rider Haggard, a 19th century
    fantasy/adventure sort of thing. At any rate, the lady referred to in the
    title was known to her subjects as "She who must be obeyed".
    --
    mark
     
  12. Hi

    Thanks for the advice: I've decided to buy him a nice Park Tool tool
    and enclose a photo of a potential new bike.

    Cheers for the bike recommendations too!

    Thanks

    Emma Middlebrook
     
  13. Simon Brooke <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    > Robin Mather, Bath <URL:http://www.robinmathercycles.co.uk/>
    >


    Not a builder that's come up in any web searches I've done in the
    past, so thanks for posting the link - looks to be good quality stuff.
    I'm not in the market for a new frame any more, though, having
    purchased the Fort (being despatched from Ward Cyclesports this
    morning!!).

    David E. Belcher
     
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