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Silver anti-pathogenic via thermal conductivity?

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  1. Does Silver exert anti-pathogenic effects (if any such
    effects exist) via thermal conductivity?

    Some say that Colloidal Silver (CS) acts ionically by,
    through its positive charge, neutralizing negatively charged
    oxygen-repellent-enzymes produced by anaerobic pathogens and
    also at the same time neutralizing negatively charged oxygen
    so that the two no longer repel each other and the oxygen
    destroys the pathogen; this school of thought holds that CS
    only disrupts bad anaerobic micro-organisms and cells while
    it leaves the good aerobic ones alone. But there are ideas
    that contradict this school of thought: some claim that
    ionized silver combines with substances found in the body to
    produce a "useless" substance so that it is actually the non-
    ionized particles in the CS solutions that accomplish the
    work--if such is the case the CS could not be accomplishing
    what it apparently does through ionizing effects; some have
    reported that CS actually interferes with and kills good
    aerobic micro-organisms such as intestinal flora along with
    the bad anaerobic micro-organisms and cells--if such is the
    case the ionizing-effect-theory is again in trouble because
    it declares that aerobic micro-organisms and cells are
    spared because they are not negatively charged like the bad
    anaerobic micro-organisms and cells.

    Some say that CS exerts its effect by binding to receptors
    in the pathogens thereby rendering the pathogens deceased or
    ineffective; however, others claim that the reason pathogens
    do not have and do not acquire resistance to CS, is that the
    CS disables enzymes used by the pathogens instead of the
    pathogens themselves; and, though there are indications CS
    has at least some ability to suppress cancer cells, cancer
    cells apparently do not exert their negative effects by way
    of such receptor cells.

    Strangely enough, many people are saying that negatively
    charged anti-oxidants exert their beneficial effects by
    donating electrons to electron-hungry things in the body; at
    the same time they say that positively charged oxidants
    damage the body by being electron-deficient electron-
    thieves; and at the same time without reconciling such to
    their other claims they say positively charged CS helps the
    body by absorbing negatively charged electrons.

    My idea as of now, is that CS might be exerting its effects
    whatever such effects are, thermo-dynamically. Although the
    element silver posesses more thermal conductivity than any
    other element, none of the internet sites discussing CS have
    mentioned this. In this sense of being so to speak the
    greatest thermal conductor on earth, silver differs from
    ionically speaking generally positively charged heavy metals
    that are usually considered to be harmful.

    Micro-organisms and cells have various minimum levels of
    temperature at which they can survive; the way in which they
    function when they are surviving is effected by temperature.
    Anaerobic cells and micro-organisms "breathe" through a
    process scientists say is akin to fermentation. There are
    minimum levels of temperature required in fermentation, and
    the temperature level at which fermentation occurs, effects
    how the final product of the fermentation turns out.

    Could it be that CS exerts its effects by acting as a
    thermal conductor, soaking up excess heat or cold
    surrounding cells, evening out temperature differences
    amongst various points in the body? Could it be that CS by
    changing the heat level in and around cells and micro-
    organisms, changes the self-feeding output produced via
    fermentation by anaerobic micro-organisms and cells, assists
    helpful micro-organisms and cells to flourish, and
    suppresses pathogenic cells and micro-organisms?

    I realize that some will think that there is no evidence
    that the presence of CS changes the temperature of solutions
    it is introduced into; however, heat in a solution could be
    transferred from the solution to the CS in the solution or
    vice versa without effecting the overall temperature of the
    solution. Micro-organisms and cells in solutions could be
    chilled off or heated up by the proximity of colloidal
    silver, without the temperature of the overall bloodstream
    being significantly effected, the same way that a man in a
    crowded room who is sitting on a block of ice, feels cold
    even though the block of ice does not significantly alter
    the temperature of the room, or the same way an ice cube in
    a glass does not make you feel cold until you start rubbing
    it over your body.

    angelfire.comvincemoon

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    David Virgil Hobbs said:

    Does Silver exert anti-pathogenic effects (if any such
    effects exist)

    Silver's anti-pathogenic effects are well-documented. Not
    colloidal silver, however.

    Quoted message said:

    via thermal conductivity?

    Makes no sense -- there's no thermal gradient to speak of
    between one side of a speck of silver and another.

    Quoted message said:

    Some say that CS exerts its effect by binding to receptors
    in the pathogens thereby rendering the pathogens deceased
    or ineffective; however, others claim that the reason
    pathogens do not have and do not acquire resistance to CS,

    ...because they are morons who didn't bother to check out
    the claim. In fact, microorganisms can become resistant
    to silver.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
    opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
    have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
    standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  3. (Try googling tetrasil, you may find a crude study or 2)
    Anth

    "David Virgil Hobbs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Does Silver exert anti-pathogenic effects (if any such
    effects exist) via thermal conductivity?

    Some say that Colloidal Silver (CS) acts ionically by,
    through its positive charge, neutralizing negatively
    charged oxygen-repellent-enzymes produced by anaerobic
    pathogens and also at the same time neutralizing
    negatively charged oxygen so that the two no longer repel
    each other and the oxygen destroys the pathogen; this
    school of thought holds that CS only disrupts bad
    anaerobic micro-organisms and cells while it leaves the
    good aerobic ones alone. But there are ideas that
    contradict this school of thought: some claim that ionized
    silver combines with substances found in the body to
    produce a "useless" substance so that it is actually the
    non-ionized particles in the CS solutions that accomplish
    the work--if such is the case the CS could not be
    accomplishing what it apparently does through ionizing
    effects; some have reported that CS actually interferes
    with and kills good aerobic micro-organisms such as
    intestinal flora along with the bad anaerobic micro-
    organisms and cells--if such is the case the ionizing-effect-
    theory is again in trouble because it declares that
    aerobic micro-organisms and cells are spared because they
    are not negatively charged like the bad anaerobic micro-
    organisms and cells.

    Some say that CS exerts its effect by binding to receptors
    in the pathogens thereby rendering the pathogens deceased
    or ineffective; however, others claim that the reason
    pathogens do not have and do not acquire resistance to CS,
    is that the CS disables enzymes used by the pathogens
    instead of the pathogens themselves; and, though there are
    indications CS has at least some ability to suppress
    cancer cells, cancer cells apparently do not exert their
    negative effects by way of such receptor cells.

    Strangely enough, many people are saying that negatively
    charged anti-oxidants exert their beneficial effects by
    donating electrons to electron-hungry things in the body;
    at the same time they say that positively charged oxidants
    damage the body by being electron-deficient electron-
    thieves; and at the same time without reconciling such to
    their other claims they say positively charged CS helps
    the body by absorbing negatively charged electrons.

    My idea as of now, is that CS might be exerting its
    effects whatever such effects are, thermo-dynamically.
    Although the element silver posesses more thermal
    conductivity than any other element, none of the internet
    sites discussing CS have mentioned this. In this sense of
    being so to speak the greatest thermal conductor on earth,
    silver differs from ionically speaking generally
    positively charged heavy metals that are usually
    considered to be harmful.

    Micro-organisms and cells have various minimum levels of
    temperature at which they can survive; the way in which
    they function when they are surviving is effected by
    temperature. Anaerobic cells and micro-organisms "breathe"
    through a process scientists say is akin to fermentation.
    There are minimum levels of temperature required in
    fermentation, and the temperature level at which
    fermentation occurs, effects how the final product of the
    fermentation turns out.

    Could it be that CS exerts its effects by acting as a
    thermal conductor, soaking up excess heat or cold
    surrounding cells, evening out temperature differences
    amongst various points in the body? Could it be that CS by
    changing the heat level in and around cells and micro-
    organisms, changes the self-feeding output produced via
    fermentation by anaerobic micro-organisms and cells,
    assists helpful micro-organisms and cells to flourish, and
    suppresses pathogenic cells and micro-organisms?

    I realize that some will think that there is no evidence
    that the presence of CS changes the temperature of
    solutions it is introduced into; however, heat in a
    solution could be transferred from the solution to the CS
    in the solution or vice versa without effecting the
    overall temperature of the solution. Micro-organisms and
    cells in solutions could be chilled off or heated up by
    the proximity of colloidal silver, without the temperature
    of the overall bloodstream being significantly effected,
    the same way that a man in a crowded room who is sitting
    on a block of ice, feels cold even though the block of ice
    does not significantly alter the temperature of the room,
    or the same way an ice cube in a glass does not make you
    feel cold until you start rubbing it over your body.

    angelfire.comvincemoon

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