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Sitting vs. Side-lying (also: 'We have Todd...' LOL!)

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  1. SITTING vs. SIDE-LYING See below.

    "WE HAVE TODD..."

    "Ilse Witch" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    "We have Todd, but even he's not too bad and won't harrass
    you personally. And there's some occasional trolls, but we
    all ignore them and they go away for lack of fun...Or maybe
    it's because the majority here are women... 😉" grou-grou-
    ps.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.06.03.13.50.26.916846%40-
    yahoo.com&output=gplain

    "Kazh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2i9925Fkkc4sU1@uni-
    berlin.de...

    "A pet ............ahhhhh how sweet !!...I've found usually
    woman can be worse................but I put this ng down to
    the fact we ALL have the same thing in common, so we aren't
    judging other people, we are all here for help or to help."
    groups.google.comgroups
    berlin.de&output=gplain

    SITTING vs. SIDE-LYING...

    According to Downe et al. [June 2004] "[In]...nulliparous
    women using epidural analgesia...the lateral versus the
    supported sitting position...Lateral position was associated
    with lower rates of instrumental birth [33% vs.
    52%]...episiotomy [45% vs. 64%]...RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
    PRACTICE:: the lateral position is likely to be at best
    beneficial, and at the worst no less harmful than the
    sitting position for most women and their babies..." --Downe
    et al. ^^^ Midwifery. 2004 Jun;20(2):157-68. PubMed abstract

    I WONDER: When Down et al.^^^ obtained informed consent to
    do this study, did they inform women that "supported
    sitting" closes the birth canal up to 30%?

    ^^^Downe S, Gerrett D, Renfrew MJ. Research in Childbearing
    and Health (ReaCH) Group, Midwifery Studies Research Unit,
    University of Central Lancashire, Preston, Lancashire, UK.

    Again quoting Kazh:

    "we ALL have the same thing in common..."

    PREGNANT WOMEN: Many of you will have the same thing in
    common - your OB or CNMwife will close your birth canal
    up to 30%.

    For simple instructions on how to allow your birth canal to
    OPEN the "extra" up to 30%...

    Side-lying works! There are MANY "alternative" delivery
    positions that allow the birth canal to open the "extra"
    up to 30%!

    Beware though: Some OBs and midwives will let you "try"
    "alternative" delivery positions but they will move you back
    to semisitting or dorsal (close your birth canal!) as you
    push your baby out!

    Yale CNMwifery Prof. Varney (just cited) writes regarding
    the baby's shoulders getting stuck:

    "In the event of...shoulder dystocia...the woman should be
    in a lithotomy position..." (p. 839)

    WATCH OUT! Lithotomy position keeps the birth canal closed!
    So does semisitting!

    Talk to your CNMwife or MD or MB about this TODAY.

    For further details...

    See See Criminal medical CAM at Hawai'i's John A Burns
    School of Medicine health.groups.yahoo.comchiro
    list/message/2256

    Kazh called me a "pet" - LOL! (At least I *think* she was
    referring to me.)

    I am a working "pet"...

    In 1993, the authors of Williams Obstetrics published the
    correct biomechanics at my request but they left in their
    text (in the same paragraph!) the "dorsal widens" bald lie
    that first called my attention to their text.

    The "dorsal widens" bald lie was created when Ohlsen
    informed the authors of Williams Obstetrics in 1973 that
    they were still claiming that the pelvic diameters *don't
    change* at delivery!

    Before Ohlsen stimulated their "dorsal widens" bald lie, the
    authors of Williams Obstetrics were ignoring Borell and
    Fernstrom's 1957 RADIOGRAPHIC demonstration that the
    diameters DO change - and this MANY years after (way back in
    1911) J. Whitridge Williams, MD - the first author of
    Williams Obstetrics - clinically demonstrated 4cm of AP
    outlet diameter change!

    For details: See my Open Letter to FTC at:
    home1.gte.netpart2ftc.html

    Allowing the birth canal to open the "extra" up to 30% is
    not going to solve all birth problems...

    But regardless - why would a woman let an OB or CNMwife (or
    any other kind of midwife) close her birth canal?

    Thanks for reading.

    Sincerely,

    Todd

    Dr. Gastaldo [email hidden]

  2. "SALUTOGENESIS" IN UK MIDWIFERY See below.

    PREGNANT WOMEN: OBs are closing birth canals up to 30%. See
    PROOF below.

    For simple instructions on how to allow your birth canal to
    OPEN the "extra" up to 30%, see the very end of this post...

    "SALUTOGENESIS" IN UK MIDWIFERY

    Attention Downe et al. (Downe S, Gerrett D, Renfrew MJ.)
    Midwifery Studies Research Unit, University of Central
    Lancashire, Preston, Lancashire, UK.

    via Professor Soo Downe [email hidden]

    Soo,

    "The overall philosophy underpinning the majority of the
    research in the unit is that of salutogenesis - the creation
    of well-being."
    uclan.ac.ukresearch

    Closing birth canals up to 30% in midwifery research (see
    below) is obviously not the best way to accomplish
    salutogenesis.

    (I'm assuming "supported sitting" is semisitting -
    placing the woman on her sacrum thereby closing her birth
    canal up to 30%.)

    Please work to stop this obstetric tomfoolery.

    Sincerely,

    Todd

    Dr. Gastaldo [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:


    SITTING vs. SIDE-LYING...

    According to Downe et al. [June 2004] "[In]...nulliparous
    women using epidural analgesia...the lateral versus


    the

    Quoted message said:

    supported sitting position...Lateral position was
    associated with lower rates of instrumental birth [33% vs.
    52%]...episiotomy [45% vs. 64%]...RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
    PRACTICE:: the lateral position is likely to be at best
    beneficial, and at the worst no less harmful than the
    sitting position for most women and their babies..." --
    Downe et al. ^^^ Midwifery. 2004 Jun;20(2):157-68. PubMed
    abstract

    I WONDER: When Down et al.^^^ obtained informed consent to
    do this study, did they inform women that "supported
    sitting" closes the birth canal up


    to

    Quoted message said:

    30%?

    ^^^Downe S, Gerrett D, Renfrew MJ. Research in
    Childbearing and Health (ReaCH) Group, Midwifery Studies
    Research Unit, University of Central Lancashire, Preston,
    Lancashire, UK.

    PROOF that OBs and CNMwives are routinely closing birth
    canals up to 30%...

    The fact that semisitting and dorsal close the birth canal
    is simple biomechanics.

    See Gastaldo TD. Letter. Birth 1992;19(4):230.

    Here's my source for the 30% figure...

    "[T]he outlet increases with moulding by approximately 20-30
    per cent." --Russell JGB. Moulding of the pelvic outlet. J
    Obstet Gynaec Brit Cwlth 1969;76:817-20.

    NOTE: In 1973, Ohlsen verified Russell's 20% figure on
    Borell and Fernstrom's 1957 intrapartum x-rays.
    Ohlsen pointed out that the authors of Williams
    Obstetrics were claiming that the pelvic diameters
    *don't change* during delivery (!) - so the authors
    of Williams Obstetrics decided (erroneously) that
    dorsal delivery widens!

    Interestingly, early last century, J. Whitridge Williams,
    MD, the original author of Williams Obstetrics demonstrated
    MASSIVE amounts of change in pelvic outlet diameter change
    at-term - and the just mentioned 1957 intrapartum x-ray
    study accorded with the average amount of pelvic outlet
    diameter change Williams found clinically...

    See: home1.gte.netpart2ftc.html

    Jason Gardosi, MD, director of the British National Health
    Service/NHS West Midlands Perinatal Institute/WMPI states
    the grisly biomechanics of the semirecumbent delivery
    position (semisitting):

    "...the weight of the mother is in part taken on the sacrum
    which is therefore pushed upwards, thus decreasing the antero-
    posterior diameter of the pelvic outlet..."
    wmpi.netoe shoulder dystocia.htm

    The funny thing is, Jason Gardosi, MD also *recommends*
    semisitting (closing the birth canal) - or used to!

    "The second stage...You might want to remain in bed with
    your back propped up with pillows...As you push, try to let
    yourself 'open up' below..."
    preg.infochapter11.htm

    NOTE: Jason Gardosi, MD and his fellow British OB pal
    Malcolm Griffiths once got me censored from an
    international OB/GYN listserv - but fortunately not
    before two of my posts were archived thereon: forums.obgyn.netob gyn
    l/OBGYNL.9707/0128.html forums.obgyn.netob gyn
    l/OBGYNL.9707/0153.html

    Anyone interested in some entertaining obstetric reading,
    check out Jason's 1989 Lancet "randomised controlled trial
    of squatting" - where nobody squatted...

    See Sarah Key's huge balls (also: Kids can SQUAT motionless
    for hours)... groups.yahoo.comchiro
    list/message/2084

    MORE PROOF According to the Merck Manual:

    "When shoulder dystocia occurs...the mother's thighs are
    hyperflexed to increase the diameter of the pelvic
    outlet..." merck.comsection18
    /chapter253/253g.jsp

    WHY are OBs and CNMwives (nurse midwives) waiting until the
    head is out and shoulders get stuck before giving the baby
    maximum pelvic outlet diameter?

    WHY are OBs and CNMwives forcing babies' heads through birth
    canals senselessly closed up to 30%?

    WHY are OBs and CNMwives KEEPING birth canals closed when
    babies' shoulders get stuck?

    (Merely hyperflexing the thighs does NOT get the woman off
    her sacrum. This is BAD McRoberts maneuver. ON A POSITIVE
    NOTE: Gardosi et al.'s WMPI site (quoted above) recommends a
    version of GOOD McRoberts if the shoulders get stuck...
    wmpi.netoe shoulder dystocia.htm)

    LADIES: HELP PROTECT YOUR VAGINAS...

    OBs and CNMwives are slicing vaginas (euphemism "routine
    episiotomy"😉 - surgically/FRAUDULENTLY inferring everything
    possible is being done to OPEN birth canals - even as they
    CLOSE birth canals - up to 30%!

    See Criminal medical CAM at Hawai'i's John A Burns School of
    Medicine health.groups.yahoo.comchiro
    list/message/2256

    Sorry to be repetitive but...

    WEIRD: In 1993, the authors of Williams Obstetrics published
    the correct biomechanics at my request but they left in
    their text (in the same paragraph!) the "dorsal widens" bald
    lie that first called my attention to their text.

    The "dorsal widens" bald lie was created when Ohlsen
    informed the authors of Williams Obstetrics in 1973 that
    they were still claiming that the pelvic diameters *don't
    change* at delivery!

    ALSO WEIRD: Before Ohlsen stimulated their "dorsal widens"
    bald lie, the authors of Williams Obstetrics were ignoring
    Borell and Fernstrom's 1957 RADIOGRAPHIC demonstration that
    the diameters DO change - and this MANY years after (way
    back in 1911) J. Whitridge Williams, MD - the first author
    of Williams Obstetrics - clinically demonstrated 4cm of AP
    outlet diameter change!

    For details: See my Open Letter to FTC at:
    home1.gte.netpart2ftc.html

    SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS

    PREGNANT WOMEN: It is EASY for you to allow your birth canal
    to OPEN the "extra" up to 30%. Just roll onto your side as
    you push your baby out - or deliver on hands-and-knees,
    kneeling, standing, squatting, etc.

    BUT BEWARE: "Midwives...encourage...semisitting." (closing
    the birth canal!) --Yale CNMwifery Prof. Helen Varney.
    Varney's Midwifery. Sudbury, MA: Jones and Bartlett. 4th
    ed. 2004:839]

    Some MDs and MBs will let you "try" "alternative" delivery
    positions but will move you back to dorsal or semisitting
    (close your birth canal!) as you push your baby out!

    If your baby's shoulders get stuck OBs and CNMwives will
    KEEP your birth canal closed!

    Yale CNMwifery Prof. Varney (just cited) writes:

    "In the event of...shoulder dystocia...the woman should be
    in a lithotomy position..." (p. 839)

    Lithotomy position keeps the birth canal closed! So does
    semisitting!

    Talk to your CNMwife or MD or MB about this TODAY. (For
    further details see "Criminal medical CAM," URL above.)

    CNMwives/MDs/MBs: If you must push or pull - and sometimes
    you must - first get the woman off her sacrum - off her
    back/butt.

    Thanks for reading everyone.

    Sincerely,

    Todd

    Ds. Gastaldo [email hidden]

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