Slow start- Frustrated in Europe

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by Soili, Jan 26, 2004.

  1. Soili

    Soili Guest

    Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a
    really nice NG.

    I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been pretty
    slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week, and I have
    been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or yoga, or
    both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my bike.Yet my
    total loss is only 1.5 kg
    (3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like to see
    some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves by heart
    and I am always bumbling one move behind.=)

    My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    ft.) tall.

    Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?

    Cheers, Soili
     
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  2. Julieb

    Julieb Guest

    Hi Soili, and welcome to the group. You are doing lots of exercise, so I'd
    suggest you're building muscle. Have you taken your measurements recently?
    You might find they are going down where the scale isn't. Here's oour
    official welcome notice:

    Welcome to this great newsgroup where you'll receive lots of support, advice, and encouragement.
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    Here's a short synopsis of the USA program by Joyce -

    How many points you can eat is only based on your current weight, as you lose weight those points
    allowed will decrease (logic is that your body will need less to operate). At 183 pounds and based
    on the new US flexpoints system, you will have a set point target of 24. In addition to this you are
    allowed 35 flexpoints to be used throughout the week ... as well as any activity points you earn on
    a particular day. When your weight drops to 175, your target drops to 22 points ... weight reaches
    150, target once again drop to 20 points. 3 servings of dairy of recommended per day, 5 servings of
    fruit and veggies, minimum of 6 glasses of water.

    To calculate food and activity points, I love this computer desktop calculator ...
    http://www.zythra.com/downloads/points.exe

    The basic plan is easy. Eat at least your minimum daily number of points. Points do not carry over
    from day to day. You are allotted 35 weekly flexpoints to be used at your discretion ... can divide
    them up and use daily (would be an additional 5 points per day) or save them and use them for a
    special occassion during the week. Activity points are earned based when exercising, but can ONLY be
    used on the day they are earned.

    If you can afford $15/month, the online ww program might be a great thing for you to look into.
    There is lots of information available, as well as the food point database and journaling system.

    Joyce WW starting weight: 228.8 - 2/5/02 current weight: 133.3 Lifetime: 4/4/03

    Please note that if you live in onther countries (UK, Australia, NZ, Europe), the Points plans are
    different. The UK and Australia/NZ calculate points based on saturated fat and total kilojoules.
    Most of Europe calculates based on total fat and total kilojoules. The desktop calculator above can
    handle all of these programs.

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    "Soili" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a really
    > nice NG.
    >
    > I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been
    > pretty slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week,
    > and I have been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or
    > yoga, or both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my
    > bike.Yet my total loss is only 1.5
    kg
    > (3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like to see
    > some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves by
    > heart and I am always bumbling
    one
    > move behind.=)
    >
    > My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    > ft.) tall.
    >
    > Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
    >
     
  3. Laura

    Laura Guest

    Welcome aboard.

    I suspect that you might be eating too little and your body is in starvation mode. At 178.5 pounds
    you should be eating at least 20 points of food each day. I don't know the range for the Europe plan
    but the minimum is 20 points. This is without any exercise figured in. Here's a link to their new
    Fast Track menus that give you 20 points a day as a starting point.
    http://www.weightwatchers.com/downloads/1033/Util/art/EatingGuide.pdf

    Add some extra points to cover the exercise and you might see a change. Good luck.

    "Soili" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a really
    > nice NG.
    >
    > I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been
    > pretty slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week,
    > and I have been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or
    > yoga, or both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my
    > bike.Yet my total loss is only 1.5
    kg
    > (3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like to see
    > some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves by
    > heart and I am always bumbling
    one
    > move behind.=)
    >
    > My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    > ft.) tall.
    >
    > Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
    >
     
  4. Gohabsgo

    Gohabsgo Guest

    "Soili" <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a really
    > nice NG.
    >
    > I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been
    > pretty slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week,
    > and I have been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or
    > yoga, or both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my
    > bike.Yet my total loss is only
    > 1.5 kg (3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like
    > to see some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves
    > by heart and I am always bumbling one move behind.=)
    >
    > My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    > ft.) tall.
    >
    > Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?

    You didn't say how long you have been on this 'kick' - Jan 1?

    You seem to be doing OK for now but it sounds like you are running out of motivation and need some
    extra support or coaching to keep your goals in focus. Since you stated that you have tried many
    times before it sounds like you are in a yoyo situation. You need to make a lifestyle change that
    will last even after your goals are met.

    Take a gander at http://livefit.co.nr

    There is some good advice, encouragement and coaching available to help you KEEP your weight off.

    Stay Positive,

    Larry
     
  5. Hi Soili! Just wanted to welcome you aboard this great newsgroup. Wish you all the best luck in
    getting those pounds off. Elaine K

    Soili wrote:

    >Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a
    >really nice NG.
    >
    >I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been pretty
    >slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week, and I
    >have been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or yoga,
    >or both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my bike.Yet
    >my total loss is only 1.5 kg
    >(3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like to see
    > some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves by
    > heart and I am always bumbling one move behind.=)
    >
    >My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    >ft.) tall.
    >
    >Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?
    >
    >Cheers, Soili
    >
    >
    >
    >
     
  6. maybe you are not eating enough, welcome and good luck, Lee
    Soili <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a really
    > nice NG.
    >
    > I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been
    > pretty slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week,
    > and I have been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or
    > yoga, or both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my
    > bike.Yet my total loss is only 1.5
    kg
    > (3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like to see
    > some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves by
    > heart and I am always bumbling
    one
    > move behind.=)
    >
    > My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    > ft.) tall.
    >
    > Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
    >
     
  7. Kristin

    Kristin Guest

    I was thinking exactly what has already been said. Take measurements and
    eat more. :)

    --

    ~Kristin O~
    272/240.8/172

    "Soili" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a really
    > nice NG.
    >
    > I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been
    > pretty slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week,
    > and I have been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or
    > yoga, or both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my
    > bike.Yet my total loss is only 1.5
    kg
    > (3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like to see
    > some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves by
    > heart and I am always bumbling
    one
    > move behind.=)
    >
    > My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    > ft.) tall.
    >
    > Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
    >
     
  8. Kristin

    Kristin Guest

    And WELCOME to the group too, sorry about that! :)

    --

    ~Kristin O~
    272/240.8/172

    "Soili" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a really
    > nice NG.
    >
    > I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been
    > pretty slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week,
    > and I have been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or
    > yoga, or both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my
    > bike.Yet my total loss is only 1.5
    kg
    > (3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like to see
    > some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves by
    > heart and I am always bumbling
    one
    > move behind.=)
    >
    > My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    > ft.) tall.
    >
    > Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
    >
     
  9. Welcome to the group Soili.
    --
    Brenda
    209/177/150 RafL goal 165

    "Soili" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a really
    > nice NG.
    >
    > I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been
    > pretty slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week,
    > and I have been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or
    > yoga, or both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my
    > bike.Yet my total loss is only 1.5
    kg
    > (3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like to see
    > some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves by
    > heart and I am always bumbling
    one
    > move behind.=)
    >
    > My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    > ft.) tall.
    >
    > Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
    >
     
  10. Soili,

    Welcome to our group. There's a bunch of nice people here.

    Just out of curiosity, have you ever lived or visited the United States?
    --
    Donna in Idaho! Project Linus Boise/SW Idaho Coordinator Website: http://donnakwilts.tripod.com/ The
    ultimate inspiration is the deadline!

    Remove ".remove.invalid" to reply

    "Soili" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a really
    > nice NG.
    >
    > I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been
    > pretty slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week,
    > and I have been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or
    > yoga, or both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my
    > bike.Yet my total loss is only 1.5
    kg
    > (3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like to see
    > some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves by
    > heart and I am always bumbling
    one
    > move behind.=)
    >
    > My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    > ft.) tall.
    >
    > Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
    >
     
  11. Joyce

    Joyce Guest

    3.3 pounds is a great loss, but you don't tell us how long you have been following the ww program.
    Is this your first week?

    If it's been longer, then my next thought is ... EAT MORE! Contrary to popular belief, you must eat
    in order to lose weight, and 15-22 points is NOT enough for you current weight if you are exercising
    as much as you say you are. Eating too little will send the message to your system that you are
    trying to starve it. The end result will be that your body will hang on to everything it can, in a
    valiant attempt to survive. At 178 pounds, bear bones minimum that you should be eating is 22 points
    (on the US system anyway). And probably should be eating your activity points ... or at least some
    of them. But eating only 15 points a day is NOT good.

    Adding those points back into your routine may show an increase at first in your weight ... but
    stick with it! It can take a few weeks for your body to once again adjust and realize that you are
    not trying to starve it. Then those pounds will start disappearing again.

    Joyce

    On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:31:05 GMT, "Soili" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Hi everybody, I am new here, although I have started WW numerous times. It looks like a
    >really nice NG.
    >
    >I need some advice. I am doing the program alone, and, unlike previously, the start has been pretty
    >slow. This is really frustrating, because I am used to 2-3 kg weight loss the first week, and I
    >have been exercising unusually hard, too. I have been taking 1-2 classes a day, aerobics or yoga,
    >or both, and have consumed 15-22 points per day. In addition, I have been exercising on my bike.Yet
    >my total loss is only 1.5 kg
    >(3.30 pounds). I know they always say it is better to lose weight slowly, but I would like to see
    > some rewards for all those aerobics classes where everybody else seems to know the moves by
    > heart and I am always bumbling one move behind.=)
    >
    >My starting weight was 81 kg (178.5 pounds) and now I am at 79,5 kg (175 pounds). I am 162 cm (5.3
    >ft.) tall.
    >
    >Anybody have any idea why this is happening or comforting thoughts?
    >
    >Cheers, Soili
     
  12. Soili

    Soili Guest

    "JulieB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Hi Soili, and welcome to the group. You are doing lots of exercise, so
    I'd
    > suggest you're building muscle.

    Hi Julie, I think you may be right! I have lost 4 inches from my waist, so at least something seems
    to be happening with the measuring tape, even if the scales are letting me down. I wonder if that
    counts as a NSV, then?

    Thank you for the links, I will study them. Thanks to everybody else, as well, for the supporting
    messages. I started the program in the beginning of the year, but this really only counts as week 3,
    as I did now weigh myself the first week. I will have to try to remember that the extra kilos took a
    long time to pile on, so it is not a moment's work to get them off...

    Cheers, Soili
     
  13. Soili

    Soili Guest

    "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]net.att.net...
    > Welcome aboard.
    >
    > I suspect that you might be eating too little and your body is in
    starvation
    > mode. At 178.5 pounds you should be eating at least 20 points of food each day. I don't know the
    > range for the Europe plan but the minimum is 20 points. This is without any exercise figured in.
    > Here's a link to their
    new
    > Fast Track menus that give you 20 points a day as a starting point.
    > http://www.weightwatchers.com/downloads/1033/Util/art/EatingGuide.pdf
    >
    > Add some extra points to cover the exercise and you might see a change. Good luck.
    >
    Thanks. It could be true. We will see, I have already started eating more, but I feel guilty, even
    though I know I am allowed to have all those points. Hate losing that little halo that seems to
    hover above my head whenever I stay under 16 points. The body seems to be really quick to go into
    starvation mode, after all, I had only been following the programme for two weeks. I somehow always
    believed it takes a longer time for the starvation mode to start.

    Cheers, Soili
     
  14. Soili

    Soili Guest

    "Miss Violette" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > maybe you are not eating enough, welcome and good luck, Lee

    Yes, that may well be the problem. I will start eating my points, but I am really unwilling to add
    any for the exercise I take.

    Cheers, Soili
     
  15. Soili

    Soili Guest

    "Donna in Idaho (remove invalid)" <[email protected]>
    wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Soili,
    >
    > Welcome to our group. There's a bunch of nice people here.
    >
    Thanks, Donna! It does look like a very warm NG. It is not often that newbies are treated as kindly.

    > Just out of curiosity, have you ever lived or visited the United States?
    > --
    Funny you should ask, I lived in the Dallas area for five years, and returned home in 2001.
    Sometimes I miss it, especially the shopping. =) However, having to go everywere by car also
    contributed to my weight. I am sure I still have quite a few Texan fat cells on my hips!

    Cheers, Soili
     
  16. Soili, I asked that because a friend of mine had an exchange student several years ago - her name
    was Soili. When I mentioned that someone by the name of Soili posted to the ng, she said, oh
    please ask if she is the Soili I know! I'll have to disappoint her & tell her that you're a
    different Soili.
    --
    Donna in Idaho! Project Linus Boise/SW Idaho Coordinator Website: http://donnakwilts.tripod.com/ The
    ultimate inspiration is the deadline!

    Remove ".remove.invalid" to reply

    "Soili" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Donna in Idaho (remove invalid)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Soili,
    > >
    > > Welcome to our group. There's a bunch of nice people here.
    > >
    > Thanks, Donna! It does look like a very warm NG. It is not often that newbies are treated
    > as kindly.
    >
    > > Just out of curiosity, have you ever lived or visited the United States?
    > > --
    > Funny you should ask, I lived in the Dallas area for five years, and returned home in 2001.
    > Sometimes I miss it, especially the shopping. =) However, having to go everywere by car also
    > contributed to my weight. I am sure I still have
    quite
    > a few Texan fat cells on my hips!
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
     
  17. yes it is an NSV, and a great one at that, Lee
    Soili <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "JulieB" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > berlin.de...
    > > Hi Soili, and welcome to the group. You are doing lots of exercise, so
    > I'd
    > > suggest you're building muscle.
    >
    > Hi Julie, I think you may be right! I have lost 4 inches from my waist, so at least something
    > seems to be happening with the measuring tape, even if the scales are letting me down. I wonder if
    > that counts as a NSV, then?
    >
    > Thank you for the links, I will study them. Thanks to everybody else, as well, for the supporting
    > messages. I started the program in the beginning of the year, but this really only counts as week
    > 3, as I did now weigh myself the first week. I will have to try to remember that the extra kilos
    > took a long time to pile on, so it is not a moment's work to get them off...
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
     
  18. I can mess up my whole system by eating under just three days, Lee
    Soili <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Laura" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
    > > Welcome aboard.
    > >
    > > I suspect that you might be eating too little and your body is in
    > starvation
    > > mode. At 178.5 pounds you should be eating at least 20 points of food
    each
    > > day. I don't know the range for the Europe plan but the minimum is 20 points. This is without
    > > any exercise figured in. Here's a link to their
    > new
    > > Fast Track menus that give you 20 points a day as a starting point.
    > > http://www.weightwatchers.com/downloads/1033/Util/art/EatingGuide.pdf
    > >
    > > Add some extra points to cover the exercise and you might see a change. Good luck.
    > >
    > Thanks. It could be true. We will see, I have already started eating more, but I feel guilty, even
    > though I know I am allowed to have all those points. Hate losing that little halo that seems to
    > hover above my head whenever I stay under 16 points. The body seems to be really quick to go into
    > starvation mode, after all, I had only been following the programme for two weeks. I somehow
    > always believed it takes a longer time for the starvation mode to start.
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
     
  19. that is a start, but by eating under and not taking the aps you are double
    deficiting your body. I never take aps as I rarely exercise. As I have
    lost I have begun moving more doing regular housework that I do not count
    but I always eat my daily points or I show a gain, this one of those areas
    where we have to work out what is best for each of us and I think it can
    vary greatly, Lee
    Soili <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Miss Violette" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > berlin.de...
    > > maybe you are not eating enough, welcome and good luck, Lee
    >
    > Yes, that may well be the problem. I will start eating my points, but I am really unwilling to add
    > any for the exercise I take.
    >
    > Cheers, Soili
     
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