There has been some evidence that patients who switch from cigarette smoking to smokeless tobacco products substantially decrease their risk of mortality. Has anyone had exposure to patients who have embraced this strategy? I am curious about patient experiences, as well as general reactions to the concept.
"Daniel L. Lurker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > There has been some evidence that patients who switch from > cigarette smoking to smokeless tobacco products > substantially decrease their risk of mortality. Has anyone > had exposure to patients who have embraced this strategy? > I am curious about patient experiences, as well as general > reactions to the concept. Actually it is very nasty stuff. It causes cancer right there in the mouth: http://dccps.nci.nih.gov/tcrb/less_effects.html and http://dccps.nci.nih.gov/tcrb/less_kids.html
[email protected] (Daniel L. Lurker) wrote: >There has been some evidence that patients who switch from >cigarette smoking to smokeless tobacco products >substantially decrease their risk of mortality. They trade the lung contamination for the EXTREMELY STRONG risk of oral cancer which can require massive deforming surgery to remove. It also causes dental problems, and IT IS A DISGUSTING HABIT with all the spitting and drooling that goes on. And, they still have the nicotine load affecting their cardiovascular system ... no help there. >Has anyone had exposure to patients who have embraced this >strategy? I am curious about patient experiences, as well >as general reactions to the concept. There is NO safe way to consume tobacco. Tsu Dho Nimh -- When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.
Tsu Dho Nimh wrote: > > [email protected] (Daniel L. Lurker) wrote: > > >There has been some evidence that patients who switch > >from cigarette smoking to smokeless tobacco products > >substantially decrease their risk of mortality. > > They trade the lung contamination for the EXTREMELY STRONG > risk of oral cancer which can require massive deforming > surgery to remove. It also causes dental problems, and IT > IS A DISGUSTING HABIT with all the spitting and drooling > that goes on. > > And, they still have the nicotine load affecting their > cardiovascular system ... no help there. > > >Has anyone had exposure to patients who have embraced > >this strategy? I am curious about patient experiences, as > >well as general reactions to the concept. > > There is NO safe way to consume tobacco. > > Tsu Dho Nimh > Are you saying that nicotine gum is unsafe?
"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Tsu Dho Nimh wrote: > > > > [email protected] (Daniel L. Lurker) wrote: > > > > >There has been some evidence that patients who switch > > >from cigarette smoking to smokeless tobacco products > > >substantially decrease their risk of mortality. > > > > They trade the lung contamination for the EXTREMELY > > STRONG risk of oral cancer which can require massive > > deforming surgery to remove. It also causes dental > > problems, and IT IS A DISGUSTING HABIT with all the > > spitting and drooling that goes on. > > > > And, they still have the nicotine load affecting their > > cardiovascular system ... no help there. > > > > >Has anyone had exposure to patients who have embraced > > >this strategy? I am curious about patient experiences, > > >as well as general reactions to the concept. > > > > There is NO safe way to consume tobacco. > > > > Tsu Dho Nimh > > > > Are you saying that nicotine gum is unsafe? Yes, particularly when used in combination with cigarette smoking...more common than you may think. --Rich
Mike <[email protected]> wrote: >Tsu Dho Nimh wrote: >> [email protected] (Daniel L. Lurker) wrote: >> >There has been some evidence that patients who switch >> >from cigarette smoking to smokeless tobacco products >> >substantially decrease their risk of mortality. >> There is NO safe way to consume tobacco. >Are you saying that nicotine gum is unsafe? It is a short-term medicine to wean smokers off their habits ... long-term use of it (it is a stimulant and vasoconstrictor) would produce many of the same cardiovascular problems that smoking does. Tsu Dho Nimh -- When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:52:01 -0500, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: >Are you saying that nicotine gum is unsafe? Nicotine is a natural pesticide. Chew on that for a bit. -- Take out the G'RBAGE for private replies. [email protected]com
Tsu Dho Nimh <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > [email protected] (Daniel L. Lurker) wrote: > > >There has been some evidence that patients who switch > >from cigarette smoking to smokeless tobacco products > >substantially decrease their risk of mortality. > > They trade the lung contamination for the EXTREMELY STRONG > risk of oral cancer which can require massive deforming > surgery to remove. It also causes dental problems, and IT > IS A DISGUSTING HABIT with all the spitting and drooling > that goes on. > > And, they still have the nicotine load affecting their > cardiovascular system ... no help there. > > >Has anyone had exposure to patients who have embraced > >this strategy? I am curious about patient experiences, as > >well as general reactions to the concept. > > There is NO safe way to consume tobacco. > > > > > Tsu Dho Nimh Tsu, You say that there is not safe way to consume tobacco. I would imagine that tobacco use especially oral use has a long history and perhaps part of that history contains safe cultural use. I am not talking about daily habitual use but still recreational or medicinal. Amy Lyn RN
"Amy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Tsu Dho Nimh <[email protected]> wrote in > message news:<[email protected]>... > > [email protected] (Daniel L. Lurker) wrote: > > ...> > There is NO safe way to consume tobacco. > > > > > > > > > > Tsu Dho Nimh > > Tsu, You say that there is not safe way to consume > tobacco. I would imagine that tobacco use especially oral > use has a long history and perhaps part of that history > contains safe cultural use. I am not talking about daily > habitual use but still recreational or medicinal. > > Amy Lyn RN A long cultural history back in the days when the average life expectancy was much lower. Like less than the age a cousin had d half of his jaw removed due to cancer... he was 42 years old. By the way: by soaking tobacco leaves in water you get a kind of a "tobacco tea" --- then it is put into a sprayer a spritzed on plants. It is a natural insecticide.
