Sore knees

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Whilst its true that often your medical care depends on whom you see (as pointed out surgeon=surgery, physio=ex and stretches, etc). This is if you are seeing the run of the mill practitioner. If you find yourself someone experienced in sports medicine they will assess you properly and determine which method of treatment is most appropriate. Usually some form of conservative treatment is used initially.

It does, again, unfortunately, depend on whom you see. All too many physios will just give you standard exercises, and all too many GPs will just prescribe meds - but the GPs I work with, for example, refer to us if they are not sure. We refer back to them when required.

Finally, find someone who knows and is interested in cycling!

DO NOT just do exercises without having your knee pain assessed. I would not recommend ANY treatment here to anyone without assessing them, and nobody else should either (1) we live in a litigious world and (2) there is no magic formula for knee pain. A dr would not give chemotherapy to a patient with a flu, why should any standard exercises exist for any condition?

my 22.5 cents

 

[BrettS]

till! wrote:

<snip>
> You get the distinct impression that they fix things with whatever
> tools are available (to their trade), and perhaps they arent always the
> best =\
>
> till
>
>

Yup, when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a
nail...

--
BrettS

 

[Tamyka Bell]

Paulie-AU wrote:
<snip gripes about knee injuries>
> I sometimes have a knee (in the front of the left) and an ankle (right
> inside) which makes me think that they are related.
<snip>

You only sometimes have a knee ???

Tam

 

[Tamyka Bell]

BrettS wrote:
>
> till! wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > You get the distinct impression that they fix things with whatever
> > tools are available (to their trade), and perhaps they arent always the
> > best =\
> >
> > till
> >
> >
>
> Yup, when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a
> nail...
>
> --
> BrettS

Oooh, I read that in Zinn
Tam

 

[till!]

Whilst its true that often your medical care depends on whom you see (as pointed out surgeon=surgery, physio=ex and stretches, etc). This is if you are seeing the run of the mill practitioner. If you find yourself someone experienced in sports medicine they will assess you properly and determine which method of treatment is most appropriate.

Actually this is at a specialist sports physician and sports physio =)

till

 

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Actually this is at a specialist sports physician and sports physio =)

till

Precisely!!!

 

[SteveA]

Whilst its true that often your medical care depends on whom you see (as pointed out surgeon=surgery, physio=ex and stretches, etc). This is if you are seeing the run of the mill practitioner. If you find yourself someone experienced in sports medicine they will assess you properly and determine which method of treatment is most appropriate. Usually some form of conservative treatment is used initially.

It does, again, unfortunately, depend on whom you see. All too many physios will just give you standard exercises, and all too many GPs will just prescribe meds - but the GPs I work with, for example, refer to us if they are not sure. We refer back to them when required.

Finally, find someone who knows and is interested in cycling!

DO NOT just do exercises without having your knee pain assessed. I would not recommend ANY treatment here to anyone without assessing them, and nobody else should either (1) we live in a litigious world and (2) there is no magic formula for knee pain. A dr would not give chemotherapy to a patient with a flu, why should any standard exercises exist for any condition?

my 22.5 cents

Get yourself a good sports physician. One who is not a 'slice and dice' merchant. In Perth, Rod Moore at Murdoch is one of the best.

http://www.sportsdoctors.com.au/directory.htm#WA

SteveA

 

[Terry Collins]

dtmeister wrote:
> Terry Collins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>DaveB wrote:
>>
>>
>>>No way, all the resources you need are on the Internet. Sports physio,
>>>podiatrist, GP - they're all redundant. They'll only look it up on the
>>>Internet anyway.
>>
>>Am I the only one to notice that quacks of any sort, who are also
>>cyclists (the lycra and "racing" bike type) are actually woefully
>>ignorant of any real knowledge of bicycling and its effects?
>
>
> Am I the only one to notice that quacks of any sort, who are also
> cyclists (the Dunlop Volley, boardshort and "mountain" bike type)
> are actually woefully ignorant of any real knowledge of bicycling
> and its effects?

Its okay, you don't have to be defensive, I understand that you just
wear lycra to be an individual.

So, How do you detect them? It is only the lycra and speedy nike type
that ever admit.


P.S. I'm a King Gee shorts wearer {.

 

[Michael Warner]

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:27:07 +1000, John Henderson wrote:

> That's my decision, and I continue to be happy with it. Your
> assumption that no-one except myself was deprived is false
> anyway. Sales of bikes and parts were affected, and I was a
> greater burden on the transport and health systems.
>
> I found out long ago that if you want to change the world,
> you've got to start with yourself.

So you changed yourself into an unhealthy, unfit user of
motorized transport. It's difficult to see how that, or depriving
bike shops of a little income, brought any pressure to bear on
compulsory helmet legislation. In fact, reducing the number
of cyclists simply makes our desires of less interest to those
in power.

A far more effective protest would have been to ride around
bareheaded, and give the cops false ID if they decided to
fine or arrest you for it, wasting their time.

--
Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

 

[John Henderson]

Michael Warner wrote:

> A far more effective protest would have been to ride around
> bareheaded, and give the cops false ID if they decided to
> fine or arrest you for it, wasting their time.

Dishonesty is not my style of protest.

John

 

[Buck Rogers]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:36:31 +1000, Hank Yolanda <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I get sore knees often, I take Glucosomine ? everyday, but still get sore
> knee's, and I don't enjoy my riding with the pain.
> Any tips to try to reduce the knee pain ?
>
>

When I started cycling, I had sore knees. I thought it was from arthritis
or
something, which I do have. However, the sore knees during cycling have
disappeared. May I suggest you examine seat height? Try raising the seat
an inch or more, if possible, and see if that helps.

--
Buck

 

[till!]

Usually too much seat height hurts your knees, too little hurts your thighs.

What ever you do, dont take any advice you get on usenet seriously

till

 

[Tamyka Bell]

"till!" wrote:
>
> Usually too much seat height hurts your knees, too little hurts your
> thighs.
>
> What ever you do, dont take any advice you get on usenet seriously
>
> till

too little hurts your thighs...

....until your quads get tight from doing too much work, and then you get
patellofemoral syndrome, which causes pain in your knee.

Tam

 

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"till!" wrote:
>
> Usually too much seat height hurts your knees, too little hurts your
> thighs.
>
> What ever you do, dont take any advice you get on usenet seriously
>
> till

too little hurts your thighs...

....until your quads get tight from doing too much work, and then you get
patellofemoral syndrome, which causes pain in your knee.

Tam

also...too high and you end up reaching at the downstroke and tilt your pelvis until that little man inside your lower back starts to complain...too low and you end up more flexed and oops...ditto...

 

[Paulie-AU]

I raised my seat about 10mm this weekend and didnt experience any problems during the crit on saturday so I was happy with that. And that was even with all efforts being in the saddle.

I am yet to play with the cleat but I took the approach of changing one thing at a time so I could accurately determine the outcome. I will give the seat height thing another test on the commute tomorrow. Will throw in a few extra efforts as well.......after all there is another round of the world dominance crit series next weekend. aka Balmoral club crit saturday morning.

 

[Tamyka Bell]

Paulie-AU wrote:
>
> I raised my seat about 10mm this weekend and didnt experience any
> problems during the crit on saturday so I was happy with that. And
> that was even with all efforts being in the saddle.
>
> I am yet to play with the cleat but I took the approach of changing one
> thing at a time so I could accurately determine the outcome. I will
> give the seat height thing another test on the commute tomorrow. Will
> throw in a few extra efforts as well.......after all there is another
> round of the world dominance crit series next weekend. aka
> Balmoral club crit saturday morning.
>
> --
> Paulie-AU

WDCS, I like it.....

10mm is a HUGE change in seat height! But a crit is only 45 minutes-ish.

I'm starting to shift my mtb seat back to where a real rider would have
it... I know I look silly like a roadie on an mtb and now that I'm
riding regularly, I'm happy to start shifting it.

Make Lotte do the Epic with me, Paulie!

Tam

 

[retrograded]

"Paulie-AU" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news[email protected]...
>
> I raised my seat about 10mm this weekend and didnt experience any

Wow! That sounds like a significant shift in seat height. I've always been
taught to err on the side of caution and use small increments i.e. 2-5mm. If
you have any problems with a shift of that size then that's great.

> problems during the crit on saturday so I was happy with that. And
> that was even with all efforts being in the saddle.
>
> I am yet to play with the cleat but I took the approach of changing one
> thing at a time so I could accurately determine the outcome. I will
> give the seat height thing another test on the commute tomorrow. Will
> throw in a few extra efforts as well.......after all there is another
> round of the world dominance crit series next weekend. aka
> Balmoral club crit saturday morning.
>
>
> --
> Paulie-AU
>

 

[retrograded]

"retrograded" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Paulie-AU" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news[email protected]...
>>
>> I raised my seat about 10mm this weekend and didnt experience any
>
> Wow! That sounds like a significant shift in seat height. I've always been
> taught to err on the side of caution and use small increments i.e. 2-5mm.
> If you have any problems with a shift of that size then that's great.

Of course I meant: "If you don't have any problems...."

>
>> problems during the crit on saturday so I was happy with that. And
>> that was even with all efforts being in the saddle.
>>
>> I am yet to play with the cleat but I took the approach of changing one
>> thing at a time so I could accurately determine the outcome. I will
>> give the seat height thing another test on the commute tomorrow. Will
>> throw in a few extra efforts as well.......after all there is another
>> round of the world dominance crit series next weekend. aka
>> Balmoral club crit saturday morning.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Paulie-AU
>>
>
>

 

[Carl Brewer]

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:18:20 +1000, Paulie-AU
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>I raised my seat about 10mm this weekend and didnt experience any
>problems during the crit on saturday so I was happy with that. And
>that was even with all efforts being in the saddle.

Bear in mind that in general, *any* change to seat position will
create a short-term (day-week-month) improvement in many knee
pain situations.

This is not necessarily an ideal long-term fix. IT may be ... but
it may not be, and a 45 min crit won't tell you anything.

10mm is a huge change to make in one hit.

 

[Paulie-AU]

"retrograded" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Paulie-AU" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news[email protected]...
>>
>> I raised my seat about 10mm this weekend and didnt experience any
>
> Wow! That sounds like a significant shift in seat height. I've always been
> taught to err on the side of caution and use small increments i.e. 2-5mm.
> If you have any problems with a shift of that size then that's great.

Of course I meant: "If you don't have any problems...."

>
>> problems during the crit on saturday so I was happy with that. And
>> that was even with all efforts being in the saddle.
>>
>> I am yet to play with the cleat but I took the approach of changing one
>> thing at a time so I could accurately determine the outcome. I will
>> give the seat height thing another test on the commute tomorrow. Will
>> throw in a few extra efforts as well.......after all there is another
>> round of the world dominance crit series next weekend. aka
>> Balmoral club crit saturday morning.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Paulie-AU
>>
>
>

Yeah I know its a big change but I was beginning to think my seat was a fair bit to low and I hadnt changed it when I got new shoes and pedals. Really it is probably only about 5mm higher than before I got the shoes.