M
McViegh
Guest
Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
J
John Tserkezis
Guest
McViegh wrote:
> Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
> Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
Usually raise the cadance. Never heard of an instance
where sore knees were due to seat height, simply because
no-one had their bike geometry _that_ bad for long enough
to cause sore knees.
> Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
Could mean anything from twisted foot to knees, bowed
legs, who knows.
See someone who specialises in the area of bike geometry.
It seems your setup is so far off it needs serious
modification.
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> Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
> Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
Usually raise the cadance. Never heard of an instance
where sore knees were due to seat height, simply because
no-one had their bike geometry _that_ bad for long enough
to cause sore knees.
> Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
Could mean anything from twisted foot to knees, bowed
legs, who knows.
See someone who specialises in the area of bike geometry.
It seems your setup is so far off it needs serious
modification.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org
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Peter
Guest
"McViegh" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:4092c093$1@news1...
> Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
>
> Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
>
> Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
>
>
I found lowering my seat helped prevent my knees from
becoming sore. I guessed with the seat to high and using
those shoes that clip in was causing my legs to stretch
rather than just pedal.
I am now getting sore wrists which I have tried silicon
gloves and those horns on the handle bars so I can change
grip and lower the RSI risk. This helps but I am always open
to other suggestions.
> Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
>
> Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
>
> Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
>
>
I found lowering my seat helped prevent my knees from
becoming sore. I guessed with the seat to high and using
those shoes that clip in was causing my legs to stretch
rather than just pedal.
I am now getting sore wrists which I have tried silicon
gloves and those horns on the handle bars so I can change
grip and lower the RSI risk. This helps but I am always open
to other suggestions.
M
McViegh
Guest
"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "McViegh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:4092c093$1@news1...
> > Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
> >
> > Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
> >
> > Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
> >
> >
>
>
> I found lowering my seat helped prevent my knees from
> becoming sore. I guessed with the seat to high and using
> those shoes that clip in was
causing
> my legs to stretch rather than just pedal.
>
> I am now getting sore wrists which I have tried silicon
> gloves and those horns on the handle bars so I can change
> grip and lower the RSI risk. This helps but I am always
> open to other suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks for your reply. But I'm a little bit cautious about
taking the advice of someone that calls Bar Ends
"horns".....lol
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> "McViegh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:4092c093$1@news1...
> > Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
> >
> > Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
> >
> > Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
> >
> >
>
>
> I found lowering my seat helped prevent my knees from
> becoming sore. I guessed with the seat to high and using
> those shoes that clip in was
causing
> my legs to stretch rather than just pedal.
>
> I am now getting sore wrists which I have tried silicon
> gloves and those horns on the handle bars so I can change
> grip and lower the RSI risk. This helps but I am always
> open to other suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks for your reply. But I'm a little bit cautious about
taking the advice of someone that calls Bar Ends
"horns".....lol
T
Twojaks
Guest
Too many variables here to say, I would look at seat height
then the position of my knee over the pedal axle. Lack of
stretching before and after exercise or micro trauma from
heavy exertion may result in an muscular imbalance.
- to check knee go to your LBS and ask them to check Or,
run a plumb line from the "knob on the front of your
knee, below your knee cap. to the pedal axle when siting
on the bike and with the pedals at the horizontal
position. Be sure to be on a flat surface and please
hold on to something - or you'll fall over ;-)
Saddle too far forward or back can make for significant
leverage strain on the knee and voila knee pain.
Failing that, see your GP or a qualified soft tissue
injury specialist
MJ
"McViegh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4092c093$1@news1...
> Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
>
> Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
>
> Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
>
then the position of my knee over the pedal axle. Lack of
stretching before and after exercise or micro trauma from
heavy exertion may result in an muscular imbalance.
- to check knee go to your LBS and ask them to check Or,
run a plumb line from the "knob on the front of your
knee, below your knee cap. to the pedal axle when siting
on the bike and with the pedals at the horizontal
position. Be sure to be on a flat surface and please
hold on to something - or you'll fall over ;-)
Saddle too far forward or back can make for significant
leverage strain on the knee and voila knee pain.
Failing that, see your GP or a qualified soft tissue
injury specialist
MJ
"McViegh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4092c093$1@news1...
> Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
>
> Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
>
> Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
>
G
Graeme
Guest
"McViegh" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4092c093$1@news1:
> Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
>
> Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
>
> Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
In the UK at least, the rule of thumb was "sore knee caps -
raise the seat. sore behind the knees, lower the seat" (or
maybe it was the other way around). However, as others have
said, it is rarely that simple and such pain could be caused
by a number of factors.
Graeme
> Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
>
> Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
>
> Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
In the UK at least, the rule of thumb was "sore knee caps -
raise the seat. sore behind the knees, lower the seat" (or
maybe it was the other way around). However, as others have
said, it is rarely that simple and such pain could be caused
by a number of factors.
Graeme
M
McViegh
Guest
"twojaks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Too many variables here to say, I would look at seat
> height then the position of my knee over the pedal axle.
> Lack of stretching before and after exercise or micro
> trauma from heavy exertion may result in an muscular
> imbalance.
>
> - to check knee go to your LBS and ask them to check Or,
> run a plumb line from the "knob on the front of your
> knee, below
your
> knee cap. to the pedal axle when siting on the bike and
> with the pedals at the horizontal position. Be sure to be
> on a flat surface and please hold
on
> to something - or you'll fall over ;-)
>
> Saddle too far forward or back can make for significant
> leverage strain
on
> the knee and voila knee pain.
>
> Failing that, see your GP or a qualified soft tissue
> injury specialist
>
> MJ
>
>
>
Thanks for your reply. Sounds like I better get down to
my LBS!
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> Too many variables here to say, I would look at seat
> height then the position of my knee over the pedal axle.
> Lack of stretching before and after exercise or micro
> trauma from heavy exertion may result in an muscular
> imbalance.
>
> - to check knee go to your LBS and ask them to check Or,
> run a plumb line from the "knob on the front of your
> knee, below
your
> knee cap. to the pedal axle when siting on the bike and
> with the pedals at the horizontal position. Be sure to be
> on a flat surface and please hold
on
> to something - or you'll fall over ;-)
>
> Saddle too far forward or back can make for significant
> leverage strain
on
> the knee and voila knee pain.
>
> Failing that, see your GP or a qualified soft tissue
> injury specialist
>
> MJ
>
>
>
Thanks for your reply. Sounds like I better get down to
my LBS!
Thanks for your reply. Sounds like I better get down to
my LBS!
It's true that the biomechanics of injury on a bike are pretty complicated, and it's difficult to get good advice from a rule of thumb, but I'd say by the same token to be wary of the LBS for the same reason. A lot of them have staff who aren't experts in injury mechanism or correct setup (naturally... they are salespeople or mechanics). They are often able to do a 'close enough' setup that feels comfortable to start of with, but this isn't good enough if you ride at high volume (serious roadies, MTB), very high stress/force/torsion (serious trackies and some roadies), or have an underlying problem that needs to be 'babied'.
Consequently, it pays to appraise carefully the expertise and experience of whoever works out your setup. If you are having real trouble, Emma Colson, a physio at Olympic Park Sports Med Centre, does video analysis, but it costs big bucks ($160 for an hour I think). She also puts together strengthening programs and stuff like that to help sort out underlying weaknesses and imbalance - a real expert in the area. Other sports physios should be able to help too, but be wary of the advice of physios and medicos who aren't well experienced in this area - I personally have had some terrible advice in this area from physios who didn't understand the mechanics of pedalling. Bike setup is quite a specific skill.
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Peter
Guest
"McViegh" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:40931e77$1@news1...
>
> "Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "McViegh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4092c093$1@news1...
> > > Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
> > >
> > > Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
> > >
> > > Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > I found lowering my seat helped prevent my knees from
> > becoming sore. I guessed with the seat to high and using
> > those shoes that clip in was
> causing
> > my legs to stretch rather than just pedal.
> >
> > I am now getting sore wrists which I have tried silicon
> > gloves and those horns on the handle bars so I can
> > change grip and lower the RSI risk.
This
> > helps but I am always open to other suggestions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for your reply. But I'm a little bit cautious about
> taking the
advice
> of someone that calls Bar Ends "horns".....lol
>
>
lol
>
> "Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "McViegh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4092c093$1@news1...
> > > Just wanted to make sure on the "rule of thumb"...
> > >
> > > Sore Knees - Raise the seat height
> > >
> > > Sore Ankles - Lower the seat height
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > I found lowering my seat helped prevent my knees from
> > becoming sore. I guessed with the seat to high and using
> > those shoes that clip in was
> causing
> > my legs to stretch rather than just pedal.
> >
> > I am now getting sore wrists which I have tried silicon
> > gloves and those horns on the handle bars so I can
> > change grip and lower the RSI risk.
This
> > helps but I am always open to other suggestions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for your reply. But I'm a little bit cautious about
> taking the
advice
> of someone that calls Bar Ends "horns".....lol
>
>
lol
