SPD pedals - Possible knee injuries

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  1. Alan

    Alan Guest

    last week I took the plunge and bought new bike and fitted SPDs. I have now just got the
    practice/confidence to ride on the road. However a colleague has hust told me he gave up SPDs after
    a while due to suffering a permanent knee injury - pain on the inside of the leg adjacent to the
    knee cap. He states the specialist told him this was common in cyclists as the knee should be free
    to travel in a figure-of-eight as the pedal travels round and that both SPD and clips can restrict
    this movement causing permanent injury.

    Has anyone sufferd a similar problem and has anyone got advice as to how to avoid it - viz adjusting
    the pedals/cleats?

    I'm hoping it is a rare injury as everyone I've previously spoken to has nothing but
    praise for SPDs!

    Thanks Alan
     
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  2. Pete Biggs

    Pete Biggs Guest

    Alan wrote:
    > last week I took the plunge and bought new bike and fitted SPDs. I have now just got the
    > practice/confidence to ride on the road. However a colleague has hust told me he gave up SPDs
    > after a while due to suffering a permanent knee injury - pain on the inside of the leg adjacent to
    > the knee cap. He states the specialist told him this was common in cyclists as the knee should be
    > free to travel in a figure-of-eight as the pedal travels round and that both SPD and clips can
    > restrict this movement causing permanent injury.

    It is true that SPDs have less float (free rotation before unclipping) than some other systems, but
    they still have some (as have toe clips & straps as well). I suspect the specialist is ignorant of
    this fact and is assuming feet are locked in solid.

    If you do get knee problems, you could always try an alternative to SPD that provides more float,
    but I wouldn't worry in the meantime if feet and knees feel comfortable.

    ~PB
     
  3. Frank X

    Frank X Guest

    "Alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > last week I took the plunge and bought new bike and fitted SPDs. I have
    now
    > just got the practice/confidence to ride on the road. However a colleague has hust told me he gave
    > up SPDs after a while due to suffering a permanent knee injury - pain on the inside of the leg
    > adjacent to the knee cap. He states the specialist told him this was common in cyclists as the
    > knee should be free to travel in a figure-of-eight as the pedal travels round and that both SPD
    > and clips can restrict this movement causing permanent injury.
    >
    > Has anyone sufferd a similar problem and has anyone got advice as to how
    to
    > avoid it - viz adjusting the pedals/cleats?
    >
    > I'm hoping it is a rare injury as everyone I've previously spoken to has nothing but praise
    > for SPDs!
    >

    I had very bad knee problems, like this after starting to use SPD's. At the time I put it down to
    running (of the to catch a train variety). I went to see a osteopath who didn't know about SPD's and
    becuase my knees didn't hurt when riding (actually they felt better after riding) only after running
    (not able to walk properly for a week), I ignorantly persevered with SPD's and gave up running.

    That was two years ago (no problems since) I continued with SPD's.

    I can even run again now so who knows what caused it.

    Maybe I should go and see a better doctor?

    > Thanks Alan
     
  4. Michael Kent

    Michael Kent Guest

    "Alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > last week I took the plunge and bought new bike and fitted SPDs. I have
    now
    > just got the practice/confidence to ride on the road. However a colleague has hust told me he gave
    > up SPDs after a while due to suffering a permanent knee injury - pain on the inside of the leg
    > adjacent to the knee cap. He states the specialist told him this was common in cyclists as the
    > knee should be free to travel in a figure-of-eight as the pedal travels round and that both SPD
    > and clips can restrict this movement causing permanent injury.
    >
    > Has anyone sufferd a similar problem and has anyone got advice as to how
    to
    > avoid it - viz adjusting the pedals/cleats?
    >
    > I'm hoping it is a rare injury as everyone I've previously spoken to has nothing but praise
    > for SPDs!
    >
    > Thanks Alan
    >
    >
    I've had the same problem mine was that my cleat/shoe connection was at a bad angle so i changed it
    and now its great. Cheers Michael
     
  5. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Guest

    Frank X wrote:

    >I had very bad knee problems, like this after starting to use SPD's. At the time I put it down
    >to running (of the to catch a train variety). I went to see a osteopath who didn't know about
    >SPD's and becuase my knees didn't hurt when riding (actually they felt better after riding) only
    >after running (not able to walk properly for a week), I ignorantly persevered with SPD's and
    >gave up running.
    >
    >That was two years ago (no problems since) I continued with SPD's.
    >
    >I can even run again now so who knows what caused it.
    >
    >Maybe I should go and see a better doctor?

    I do a lot of hillwalking. Coming off the hills puts a lot of jolting pressure on the cartilage in
    the knee joint. Cycling puts constant pressure on the knee which helps strengthen the cartilage. I
    hope that the cycling I do will allow me to continue my hillwalking for many years to come.
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  6. I find that if I use standard pedals with toeclips, I get knee problems (left knee usually) due to
    the force I use to pedal uphill. Knackers my knee completely and I have to stay off bike a while to
    allow the knee to heal. However, since using Look pedals & cleats, I find the knee problem resolved
    - no more pain - once I had the cleats positioned correctly on the shoe :) I suspect it's because
    in the clipless pedal system, you pull as well as push, so there is less straing on the knee joint
    by pushing alone.

    Cheers, helen s

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  7. The problem is that the knee has to rotate a little and the SPD cleat must be such that it's not set
    at the extreme one way or another, so that it does not prevent the rotation. I've advised a lot of
    people on this down the years and I've had SPDs since they came out. If you develop a problem, take
    off the SPDs, and ride plain pedals for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks note what angle your feet (they may
    be different) like on the pedals. Match that with the SPDs and you'll have no more trouble.
     
  8. Peter Clinch

    Peter Clinch Guest

    Alan wrote:
    > last week I took the plunge and bought new bike and fitted SPDs. I have now just got the
    > practice/confidence to ride on the road. However a colleague has hust told me he gave up SPDs
    > after a while due to suffering a permanent knee injury - pain on the inside of the leg adjacent to
    > the knee cap. He states the specialist told him this was common in cyclists as the knee should be
    > free to travel in a figure-of-eight as the pedal travels round and that both SPD and clips can
    > restrict this movement causing permanent injury.

    OTOH, I found my knees *improved* tremendously once I switched to clipless pedals (early 90s they
    were rather fubarred from mountaineering), so don't worry unduly quite yet. As long as the cleat is
    lined up properly on the catches in the position you'd normally put your foot on the pedal then
    there should be enough float in the system that you don't have a problem.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email protected]
    http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
     
  9. Alan

    Alan Guest

    Thanks for all the replies - I do run as well but I'd sooner give up running long term than cycling.

    Alan "Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Alan wrote:
    > > last week I took the plunge and bought new bike and fitted SPDs. I have
    now
    > > just got the practice/confidence to ride on the road. However a colleague has hust told me he
    > > gave up SPDs after a while due
    to
    > > suffering a permanent knee injury - pain on the inside of the leg
    adjacent
    > > to the knee cap. He states the specialist told him this was common in cyclists as the knee
    > > should be free to travel in a figure-of-eight as
    the
    > > pedal travels round and that both SPD and clips can restrict this
    movement
    > > causing permanent injury.
    >
    > OTOH, I found my knees *improved* tremendously once I switched to clipless pedals (early 90s they
    > were rather fubarred from mountaineering), so don't worry unduly quite yet. As long as the cleat
    > is lined up properly on the catches in the position you'd normally put your foot on the pedal then
    > there should be enough float in the system that you don't have a problem.
    >
    > Pete.
    > --
    > Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells
    > Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email protected]
    > http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
     
  10. "Pete Biggs" <pLime{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc> wrote in message
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    >
    > If you do get knee problems, you could always try an alternative to SPD that provides more float

    There are similar off-road pedal systems which are claimed to be easier on the knees than SPDs are.
    I suppose it's only a matter of 'Time' before someone mentions which brand.... <groan>

    David E. Belcher

    Dept. of Chemistry, University of York
     
  11. Peter Clinch

    Peter Clinch Guest

    David E. Belcher wrote:

    > There are similar off-road pedal systems which are claimed to be easier on the knees than SPDs
    > are. I suppose it's only a matter of 'Time' before someone mentions which brand.... <groan>

    I use ATACs on the MTB, 'bent tourer and, on the rare occasions it gets out these days, the old
    upright tourer. My tandeming (road) friends have switched from SPuDs to ATACs too.

    My original clipless pedals were Look MOABs (very similar to SPuDs), which I abandoned when I
    couldn't get replacement cleats rather than because of any particular problems I experienced with
    them in use, but I prefer the ATACs not so much because of the extra float, but I find engagement
    far more positive, they're a simpler design, and they don't suffer from worn cleats rattling about
    or pulling out.

    OTOH, you can get SPuDs or SPuD-u-likes for a fair bit less, and you can also get the one-sided in a
    platform designs.

    Pete.
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    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email protected]
    http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
     
  12. Just Zis Guy

    Just Zis Guy Guest

    "David E. Belcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > There are similar off-road pedal systems which are claimed to be easier on the knees than SPDs
    > are. I suppose it's only a matter of 'Time' before someone mentions which brand.... <groan>

    Look, David, you're bound to be ATACked for that terrible pun.

    <wanders off to think of a pun based on "eggbeater">

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  13. In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > "David E. Belcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    > > There are similar off-road pedal systems which are claimed to be easier on the knees than SPDs
    > > are. I suppose it's only a matter of 'Time' before someone mentions which brand.... <groan>
    >
    > Look, David, you're bound to be ATACked for that terrible pun.
    >
    > <wanders off to think of a pun based on "eggbeater">

    Crank!

    Colin
     
  14. Just Zis Guy

    Just Zis Guy Guest

  15. Peter Clinch

    Peter Clinch Guest

    Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

    [ghastly pedal puns snipped]

    LOOK here, you chaps, this is just getting silly...

    Pete.
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    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email protected]
    http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
     
  16. Jim Price

    Jim Price Guest

    Peter Clinch wrote:
    > Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
    >
    > [ghastly pedal puns snipped]
    >
    > LOOK here, you chaps, this is just getting silly...

    Thats a bit Ritchey!

    --
    Jim Price

    http://www.jimprice.dsl.pipex.com

    Conscientious objection is hard work in an economic war.

    Aye!.
     
  17. Just Zis Guy

    Just Zis Guy Guest

    On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:47:19 +0100, Peter Clinch
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >LOOK here, you chaps, this is just getting silly...

    I did Look! I did I DID!

    OK, let's stop this before it MKS us all VPid.

    Guy
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