Spinergy Tilium Clincher wheels

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Quoted message said:

Has anyone tried these - they seem to be a good value.

Short story: Yes, I have, IMHO they are [censored].

Long Story: I got a pair of new clincher Krysiums Sl's from
the shop, a few days later the shop rang, bring them back
in, try a pair of new Spinergy Tiliums instead, if I didn't
like them I could have the Krysiums back. I did the swap,
and rode out to the evening crit. By the time I had done the
9km on smooth roads to the race the front wheel had
developed a wobble (side to side) and so I had to open up
the brakes, by the end of a 40min crit the back one had just
as bad a wobble as well as a 'hop', with brakes rubbing. On
closer inspection the front hub had been machined with an
eccentricity (the flange had a 3mm wobble on one side) and
the back had a couple of bent spokes (from shipping) - these
were the s tainless steel spoke model (SS).

Went back to the shop, and they gave me another pair
straight out of the box. 20km later two spokes had come
undone on the rear wheel, it was getting badly out of true.
Additionally, between the 2 sets of wheels there was a lot
of difference on the freehub drag, one set would almost
wind your legs backwards when coasting.... anyhow, went
back to shop to have them trued, the best wheel guy in
there was complaining how hard they were to true, was
shaking his head and cursing. Took them for about 50kms
more riding, and as as they were going out of true again, I
swapped them back for the Krysiums at the shop. Shop owner
said he wasn't going to get any more
in.

Couldn't understand that someone could build the first front
wheel up without seeing the hub had an eccentricity in it!
Must have been late on a friday after drinks, either that or
their quality control is terrible all the time. Either that,
or they send all the rejects to Australia...

FWIW I'm 5'11", female, 80kgs and have ridden 32spokes
conventional wheels, 16 spoke shimano wheels, 16 spoke
shamals, 24 spoke Zipps and have NEVER had any trouble with
wheels before. These ones were almost unreal.

If you can stand constant truing and want a cheap carbon
deep aero rim then they're for you. I couldn't afford to
trade in the reliability issues. Note you can't true the
wheel without taking the tyre and tube off, and you need to
carry the special tool. The best thing going for them was
that they looked good, and the brake surface was pretty
nice, well, it woull have been nice for braking if the
brakes weren't waving from wide to side...

I note they're going cheap now here in Oz too, about A$1250
a pair, compared to A$1350 for Krysiums.

Cheers Gemma