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Jack Schidt® said:

I gotsta disagree on the 'made to order' status of pizza or takeou

chinese.

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Can you request the crust be thick or thin or somewhere in

between? Can you

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ask that the lo mein noodles be cooked al dente? Could you

substitute wide

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noodles for narrow ones? Just my impression of what's 'fast

food'. I know

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my local chinese takeout joint has vats of stuff cooking all day and they

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then mix them and put them in the cartons for takeout. It's always '10 minute'.

I don't think the ones where I order food to be delivered, do that. At least, not when I pass by to
order something for take out and have to wait for it.

Also, except for such things as the complimentary white rice, which probably is cooked ahead of
time, most Chinese restaurants no longer use paper cartons. Now the food is put into plastic
containers, with see-through tops, so that the contents may be heated in the micro wave oven. The
containers are reusable and quite attractive.

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I am used to ask for no added salt and at times, no soy sauce in some of the dishes I order from
the Chinese restaurant. I have asked for some dishes with a different vegetable, for no water
chestnuts, but sugar peas, instead. I have just recently asked for those long green beans, that
are sautéed with garlic, to be made without the garlic, because someone who was eating with us,
is allergic to it.

I should clarify; my local Chinese joint is takeout only, not a

restaurant

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where one can sit down and enjoy a meal.

I am only referring to take out or delivery food. Of course, if you eat in the restaurant, you may
ask the chef to prepare the food to your liking. Fortunately, I order from several places, that will
do the same for their telephone orders. Just the other day, I ordered some food from Chef Ho's
restaurant. I wanted no salt and no soy sauce, as I have to watch my blood pressure. The man who
took my telephone order repeated: "No salt, no soy sauce", then added "no taste". Honest, that's
what he said.

MS

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> Fast Food, from M-W:
>
> 1 : of, relating to, or specializing in food that can be prepared and served quickly <a fast-
> food restaurant> 2 : designed for ready availability, use, or consumption and with little
> consideration given to quality or significance <fast-food TV programming>
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> 'Fast food' is a newer name for old ideas. A hot dog from a cart is fast food. Pizza is fast
> food and so is Chinese takeout. We didn't have a fancy monicker for them then.

Interesting. I think of fast food as already prepared just waiting for me to step to the
counter and make my selection so they can hand it to me. McDonald's and their ilk. KFC and the
like. Not pizza and not Chinese takeout.

Like Margaret, I don't think of Chinese food or pizza as fast-food.

AFAIK,

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Chinese food and pizza are made to order. To me fast food is driving 'round to the drive up
window. You put your order in to some static mystery voice. A bag of food is thrown out of the
window at you. Once on the road again, one discovers the order is completely wrong.

I gotsta disagree on the 'made to order' status of pizza or takeout chinese. Can you request the
crust be thick or thin or somewhere in between? Can you ask that the lo mein noodles be cooked al
dente? Could you substitute wide noodles for narrow ones? Just my impression of what's 'fast
food'. I know my local chinese takeout joint has vats of stuff cooking all day and they then mix
them and put them in the cartons for takeout. It's always '10 minute'.

You can request special orders for pizza and chinese. Burger King prides itself on special orders. I
dunno. These places all seem to blend into the same category.

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The driveup window scenario rings so true. Recently I'd read where someone with 2 way radios on
same frequency as their local fast food drive up (forget the brand) hijacked the airwaves, so to
speak, and took to insulting the customers. Too funny.

ROFL...

Michael

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all over it." ~~ Julia Child

Cindy Fuller said:

You didn't read Jane Brody's column a week or two ago. The trend is actually the opposite of what
you describe. A women's size 8 today is what used to be a size 12 20 years ago. The higher end
clothing manufacturers have initiated "vanity sizing", to satisfy women who want to claim they're
still a size 8 despite the middle aged spread.

Amazing. Perhaps it is regional. Out on the left coast I have found the opposite. When I wear exact
measure clothing (16-1/2 x 34 shirts for example), or the M shirts I purchased 25-30 years ago (yes,
I still have some that were packed away and brought back out recently) the clothes fit. Yet, went I
try on new relatively sized shirts the M tends to be tight and I need to but L.

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Jack Schidt® said:

Fast Food, from M-W:

1 : of, relating to, or specializing in food that can be prepared and served quickly <a fast-food
restaurant>
2 : designed for ready availability, use, or consumption and with little consideration given to
quality or significance <fast-food TV programming>

'Fast food' is a newer name for old ideas. A hot dog from a cart is fast food. Pizza is fast food
and so is Chinese takeout. We didn't have a fancy monicker for them then.

To me, fast food means a regional, national, or world-wide chain with a limited menu of standardized
offerings geared to mass tastes and usually high-fat, high-calorie.

Frogleg said:

Nancy Young said:

... you know the rest.

The usual quote is "There are lies, damn[ed] lies, and statistics," variously attributed to Mark
Twain who attributed it to Disraeli, and Churchill, who may have also used the phrase.

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I keep seeing all of these quotes, mostly here, about how many times people eat fast food, how
many Americans are obese, etc.

Looking up the quote, I came across reference to a book titled "Damned Lies and Statistics" by Joel
Best which looks pretty interesting.

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The questions you ask are worth asking. Where *do* these numbers come from? How are they
meaningful? Obviously the 'researchers' don't ask every single person (American?) how many times
he/she ate in a fast food joint. What was their sample population? Urban? Rural? Age? Avaliability
of alternatives? Many statistics are just re-pubished from dubious source. A lot of footnotes and
references does not a truth make.

you might look at 'how to lie with statistics' as well.

your pal, blake

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Cindy Fuller said:

You didn't read Jane Brody's column a week or two ago. The trend is actually the opposite of what
you describe. A women's size 8 today is what used to be a size 12 20 years ago. The higher end
clothing manufacturers have initiated "vanity sizing", to satisfy women who want to claim they're
still a size 8 despite the middle aged spread.

Amazing. Perhaps it is regional. Out on the left coast I have found the opposite. When I wear
exact measure clothing (16-1/2 x 34 shirts for example), or the M shirts I purchased 25-30 years
ago (yes, I still have some that were packed away and brought back out recently) the clothes fit.
Yet, went I try on new relatively sized shirts the M tends to be tight and I need to but L.

I agree! I used to be a weightlifter and because of that my shoulders have always been larger than
the average woman's. I could still always fit into either a L or XL woman's shirt. Because of
finance issues and my last profession, I didn't go to a clothing store to shop in close to 10 years
(I know it's hard to believe, but it's true). Last spring, I got a new job and needed some *nice*
clothes for work. Wow! NOTHING fit me! For my shoulders and breasts, I needed a woman's plus sized
shirt but then it completely bagged and flowed around my waist. The only way I solved that problem
was to go in the men's department and purchase men's large or X-large button down shirts. These fit
me so that's what I wear now. I would love to be able to fit into flowery, sleeveless dresses, but
until I learn how to make my own, it's pants, shorts, and polo-type shirts for me.

kilikini

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Nancy -- check out today's (1/30) 'Luann' comic at

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Couldn't be a better illustration of this thread. :-)

(laugh) That's funny.

nancy (might eat my share for dinner tonight)

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Cindy Fuller said:

You didn't read Jane Brody's column a week or two ago. The trend is actually the opposite of what
you describe. A women's size 8 today is what used to be a size 12 20 years ago. The higher end
clothing manufacturers have initiated "vanity sizing", to satisfy women who want to claim they're
still a size 8 despite the middle aged spread.

Amazing. Perhaps it is regional. Out on the left coast I have found the opposite. When I wear
exact measure clothing (16-1/2 x 34 shirts for example), or the M shirts I purchased 25-30 years
ago (yes, I still have some that were packed away and brought back out recently) the clothes fit.
Yet, went I try on new relatively sized shirts the M tends to be tight and I need to but L.

Mens' and womens' sizes are entirely different animals. The SO had a hard time finding mens' small
shirts when we lived in North Carolina, Dallas, and NY. Because of the large Asian population here
in Seattle, we've had a much easier time finding shirts that fit him.

Cindy

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On 28 Jan 2004 20:52:27 -0800, [email hidden] (JulieB)

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BMI = your weight in kg/(your height in cm)squared

I don't even get a whole number using that formula.

-sw

I wouldn't expect to. My scale showes decimal point.

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(JulieB) said:

BMI = your weight in kg/(your height in cm)squared

I don't even get a whole number using that formula.

-sw

JulieB said:

BMI = your weight in kg/(your height in cm)squared

BMI is a terrible indication of relative weight. It does not take body fat into account, although
you can usually tell if a high BMI is healthy or not just by looking at the person.

My other issue is that weight goes up as you grow in three dimensions, yet the formula uses height
squared. Weight goes up faster than height, so tall people tend to have high BMIs despite having a
healthy weight. If the function used height cubed or height squared multiplied by another
measurement it might be more accurate.

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THEMOM1 said:

I wouldn't expect to. My scale showes decimal point.

Do the math yourself, then come back with your calculation. Assuming you know how to properly
interpret that formula in the first place (I suspect you don't).

When I said "I don't even get a whole number" that means less than the number 1. Make sense now?

BTW: There's nothing more irritating than a top-poster who's signature is delimited by "--"'s, not
to mention a .sig that's 16 lines longer than the actual content of the post.

Good newsreaders won't quote signatures delimited with "--", which means I can't quote my own post
and fix it for normal people to read properly.

Maybe you should considering fixing this, or not and continue to be ignorant.

-sw

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Steve Wertz said:

(JulieB) said:

BMI = your weight in kg/(your height in cm)squared

I don't even get a whole number using that formula.

-sw

It should be height in meters squared. Divide cm by 100. You should get a number somewhere between
20 and 25 if you're not overweight. An approximation for those too lazy to convert their height and
weight to metric is weight in lb/(height in inches) squared, then multiplied by
704.

Cindy

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Nancy Young said:

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Nancy Young askes how are obesity statistics compiled:

(laughing) Okay, I'm done now.

nancy (just really wondering how these numbers are formulated)

Most all major US employers track their emplyee's physical well being via means of periodical
medical exams,

Aside from being hired, I have never been forced to take a physical. I worked for some major
corporations. No one has weighed me in a couple of decades.

I have _never_ had to take a physical as part of the hiring process here.

Miche

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I have _never_ had to take a physical as part of the hiring process here.

Miche

When My Company hired me almost 30 years ago there was a physical but no others since then have I
had for company reasons.

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Cindy Fuller said:

Mens' and womens' sizes are entirely different animals.

So are women's sizes and women's sizes.

I recently had to buy quite a bit of clothing as I went from a jeans-and-tshirt tech job to an
office job. At one point I picked up two pairs of trousers to try on (same store, same range) -- one
from the "plus size" section and one from the "normal size" section. Both said size 18 on the tag.

The trousers from the "plus size" section were too big around the waist and hips. The trousers from
the "normal size" section fit perfectly. Remember -- same range, (ostensibly) same size.

That's just appalling.

Miche

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Steve Wertz said:

Good newsreaders won't quote signatures delimited with "--", which means I can't quote my own post
and fix it for normal people to read properly.

The .sig delimiter is actually "-- " -- two dashes and a space.

Miche

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Miche said:

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Good newsreaders won't quote signatures delimited with "--", which means I can't quote my own
post and fix it for normal people to read properly.

The .sig delimiter is actually "-- " -- two dashes and a space.

Yeah. I'm usually full of whitespace - just being lazy.

So then you must understand what an ugly combination that is for proper newsreaders and email
clients - top posting with a properly delimited .sig.

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-sw

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I have _never_ had to take a physical as part of the hiring process here.

When My Company hired me almost 30 years ago there was a physical but no others since then have I
had for company reasons.

Meaning insurance reasons?

It's very unusual for jobs to come with medical insurance here.

Miche

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