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On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:41:38 -0500, A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Donald Gillies wrote:
>>>> Aint it always true that quality and value takes a nosedive after a
>>>> corporate takeover or stock issuance. That, in my opinion, is exactly
>>>> what people say about Cinelli (and also about UPS here in the USA ...)
>>>> So much for capitalism !!!
>
>> A Muzi <[email protected]> writes:
>>> I do not know of a bicycle manufacturer named "UPS".
>>> UPS package delivery service started 1907 with bicycle deliveries and
>>> successfully went public in 1999. Capitalism achieves more, and for more
>>> people, than any other real or putative format (How efficient is package
>>> delivery in North Korea nowadays?)
>
>Donald Gillies wrote:
>> Since the IPO, i have tried to use UPS for shipping, but their prices
>> are normally 2x Fedex and USPostal. Quite frankly, I don't know how
>> they stay in business. Oh yeah I know, they rip off everyday
>> consumers and use their booty to subsidize amazon.com ...
>>
>> Also, they're the only place ever to charge me $112.00 to ship a
>> bicycle across the USA. Most places only charge $35 to ship that bike
>> across country. The box bulged by 1/2", i had to go home before the
>> drop-off, and they ripped off my 79-yr old grandmother.
>>
>> yeah, capitalism works real, real well ...
>
>I've been around the block with UPS, FedEx and DHL. They are tough
>negotiators with sharp pencils, I agree. Labor fuel etc have made _all_
>delivery services expensive, and strict about size limits and
>surcharges, compared to the low rates of our youth.
>
>Be that as it may, service is still relatively cheap, quite reliable
>overall. You're welcome to send your small packets by USPS and heavy
>freight by motor carrier, as we do. It's a broad and diverse market,
>package delivery.
>
>We sometimes do not appreciate the broad and deep societal benefits of
>competition where it exists. I give you Ryan Air or Southwest for
>example. In 1980, Dave Goodall from Holdsworthy explained they were
>opening six new US importers (a company I partly owned imported them
>then). We were shocked. He unrolled a US map, noting that more were
>needed to "get the lorries around to dealers promptly". Our mouths were
>agape. Unlike here, England didn't yet have much FedEx or UPS
>penetration and distributors really did deliver to shops in their own
>trucks. Wanna pay for _that_??
The UPS stores are something special. There is a very severe penalty for being a
private person who cannot handle the entirety of the boxing, labelling,
information transfer yourself. They will mercilessly hose anyone they can.
You and I are okay, but this guy's granma trying to ship a bike is going to get
burned cruelly by those guys. I've had to walk out of one of their locations
myself and heard worse stories from others.
Ron
>>> Donald Gillies wrote:
>>>> Aint it always true that quality and value takes a nosedive after a
>>>> corporate takeover or stock issuance. That, in my opinion, is exactly
>>>> what people say about Cinelli (and also about UPS here in the USA ...)
>>>> So much for capitalism !!!
>
>> A Muzi <[email protected]> writes:
>>> I do not know of a bicycle manufacturer named "UPS".
>>> UPS package delivery service started 1907 with bicycle deliveries and
>>> successfully went public in 1999. Capitalism achieves more, and for more
>>> people, than any other real or putative format (How efficient is package
>>> delivery in North Korea nowadays?)
>
>Donald Gillies wrote:
>> Since the IPO, i have tried to use UPS for shipping, but their prices
>> are normally 2x Fedex and USPostal. Quite frankly, I don't know how
>> they stay in business. Oh yeah I know, they rip off everyday
>> consumers and use their booty to subsidize amazon.com ...
>>
>> Also, they're the only place ever to charge me $112.00 to ship a
>> bicycle across the USA. Most places only charge $35 to ship that bike
>> across country. The box bulged by 1/2", i had to go home before the
>> drop-off, and they ripped off my 79-yr old grandmother.
>>
>> yeah, capitalism works real, real well ...
>
>I've been around the block with UPS, FedEx and DHL. They are tough
>negotiators with sharp pencils, I agree. Labor fuel etc have made _all_
>delivery services expensive, and strict about size limits and
>surcharges, compared to the low rates of our youth.
>
>Be that as it may, service is still relatively cheap, quite reliable
>overall. You're welcome to send your small packets by USPS and heavy
>freight by motor carrier, as we do. It's a broad and diverse market,
>package delivery.
>
>We sometimes do not appreciate the broad and deep societal benefits of
>competition where it exists. I give you Ryan Air or Southwest for
>example. In 1980, Dave Goodall from Holdsworthy explained they were
>opening six new US importers (a company I partly owned imported them
>then). We were shocked. He unrolled a US map, noting that more were
>needed to "get the lorries around to dealers promptly". Our mouths were
>agape. Unlike here, England didn't yet have much FedEx or UPS
>penetration and distributors really did deliver to shops in their own
>trucks. Wanna pay for _that_??
The UPS stores are something special. There is a very severe penalty for being a
private person who cannot handle the entirety of the boxing, labelling,
information transfer yourself. They will mercilessly hose anyone they can.
You and I are okay, but this guy's granma trying to ship a bike is going to get
burned cruelly by those guys. I've had to walk out of one of their locations
myself and heard worse stories from others.
Ron
