Steel frame that is ready for disc brakes?

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  1. Jeff S.

    Jeff S. Guest

    I'm looking to find a steel frame that is built for use with disc brakes. I read about many frames
    displayed at this past fall's bike shows, but they were aluminum. Salsa, Redline, etc.

    Ideally this frame-to-be would have rack and fender eyelets. Sloping top tube and threadless headset
    would also be nice. Will I need to go custom?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. Jeff S. wrote:

    > I'm looking to find a steel frame that is built for use with disc brakes. I read about many frames
    > displayed at this past fall's bike shows, but they were aluminum. Salsa, Redline, etc.
    >
    > Ideally this frame-to-be would have rack and fender eyelets. Sloping top tube and threadless
    > headset would also be nice. Will I need to go custom?

    We've got exactly what you seek, possibly the most versatile frameset ever: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-karate-
    monkey.html

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  3. >Sheldon "Acier Est Vrai" Brown

    "Acier Est Vrai" let me guess,,, "Steel is Real"?

    "May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills!"

    Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

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  4. Stan Cox

    Stan Cox Guest

    Sheldon Brown wrote:

    > Jeff S. wrote:
    >
    >> I'm looking to find a steel frame that is built for use with disc brakes. I read about many
    >> frames displayed at this past fall's bike shows, but they were aluminum. Salsa, Redline, etc.
    >>
    >> Ideally this frame-to-be would have rack and fender eyelets. Sloping top tube and threadless
    >> headset would also be nice. Will I need to go custom?
    >
    >
    > We've got exactly what you seek, possibly the most versatile frameset ever: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-karate-
    > monkey.html
    >

    Having had a look at http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-rohloff/index.html all I can say is that
    you Sir are sick, sick, sick :)

    Stanb Cox
     
  5. Stan Cox wrote:

    > Having had a look at http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-rohloff/index.html all I can say is that
    > you Sir are sick, sick, sick :)

    Yep, never denied it. That one is a demo, but I'm doing something similar on my new Thorn Raven
    tourer, though without the disc brakes...

    Sheldon "More" Brown +------------------------------------------------+
    | Nobody who has anything to do with bicycles | has _all_ of their marbles, and some of us | are
    | certifiable! | --Sheldon Brown |
    +------------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone
    617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com
     
  6. Rosco

    Rosco Guest

    "Jeff S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I'm looking to find a steel frame that is built for use with disc brakes.
    I
    > read about many frames displayed at this past fall's bike shows, but they were aluminum. Salsa,
    > Redline, etc.
    >
    > Ideally this frame-to-be would have rack and fender eyelets. Sloping top tube and threadless
    > headset would also be nice. Will I need to go custom?
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    >
    >

    Give Marinoni a call up in Canada (888-477-7133). They are doing their Turismo model this year with
    a disc brake option. It's a steel bike (Columbus Zona), and Marinoni offers lots of customization
    options as part of the standard offering. For a relatively small upcharge (~$150 Canadian), they
    will do many of their frames in a custom geometry if your fitting says you need custom. You can get
    a frame or a complete bike, and they very much Qui si parla Campagnolo (I believe they are also the
    Canadian distributor for Campagnolo) if that is your preference. They make a very nice bike, and a
    great value as well.
     
  7. Kinky Cowboy

    Kinky Cowboy Guest

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:35:13 -0500, "Jeff S." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I'm looking to find a steel frame that is built for use with disc brakes. I read about many frames
    >displayed at this past fall's bike shows, but they were aluminum. Salsa, Redline, etc.
    >
    >Ideally this frame-to-be would have rack and fender eyelets. Sloping top tube and threadless
    >headset would also be nice. Will I need to go custom?
    >
    >Thanks in advance.
    >

    Is this what you're looking for?

    http://www.on-one.co.uk/products/gearedinbred.shtml

    Kinky Cowboy*

    *Batteries not included May contain traces of nuts Your milage may vary
     
  8. G.T.

    G.T. Guest

    Sheldon Brown wrote:
    > Jeff S. wrote:
    >
    >> I'm looking to find a steel frame that is built for use with disc brakes. I read about many
    >> frames displayed at this past fall's bike shows, but they were aluminum. Salsa, Redline, etc.
    >>
    >> Ideally this frame-to-be would have rack and fender eyelets. Sloping top tube and threadless
    >> headset would also be nice. Will I need to go custom?
    >
    >
    > We've got exactly what you seek, possibly the most versatile frameset ever: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-karate-
    > monkey.html
    >

    Versatile except for choice of off-road tires.

    Greg

    --
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    just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons
     
  9. Tomasz Barczyk wrote:

    >>
    >> It won't be really complete until you put a triple crank on it, though. (42 speeds, not as many
    >> as the old 63-speed you built, but still lots.)
    >>
    >
    > Wouldn't work, no derallieur. With a desent derallieur however let's see: 8 speed in the back,
    > triple in the front and 14 speed Rochloff.... 336 speed!!!

    Of course, it would probably be more interesting to figure out how many different gear ratios you
    could get on one bike.

    --
    Benjamin Lewis

    Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
    - Mark Twain
     
  10. Werehatrack

    Werehatrack Guest

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:51:22 -0500, Sheldon Brown
    <[email protected]> may have said:

    >Stan Cox wrote:
    >
    >> Having had a look at http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-rohloff/index.html all I can say is
    >> that you Sir are sick, sick, sick :)
    >
    >Yep, never denied it. That one is a demo, but I'm doing something similar on my new Thorn Raven
    >tourer, though without the disc brakes...

    It won't be really complete until you put a triple crank on it, though. (42 speeds, not as many as
    the old 63-speed you built, but still lots.)

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  11. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Werehatrack wrote:

    > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:51:22 -0500, Sheldon Brown <[email protected]> may have said:
    >
    >
    >>Stan Cox wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Having had a look at http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-rohloff/index.html all I can say is
    >>>that you Sir are sick, sick, sick :)
    >>
    >>Yep, never denied it. That one is a demo, but I'm doing something similar on my new Thorn Raven
    >>tourer, though without the disc brakes...
    >
    >
    > It won't be really complete until you put a triple crank on it, though. (42 speeds, not as many as
    > the old 63-speed you built, but still lots.)

    Bah! What Sheldon needs is a triple chainrings on a Schlumpf two-speed BB/crank for an 84-speed
    bicycle. ;)

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities
     
  12. > It won't be really complete until you put a triple crank on it, though. (42 speeds, not as many as
    > the old 63-speed you built, but still lots.)
    >

    Wouldn't work, no derallieur. With a desent derallieur however let's see: 8 speed in the back,
    triple in the front and 14 speed Rochloff.... 336 speed!!!

    Tom B. Ottawa
     
  13. Kinky Cowboy

    Kinky Cowboy Guest

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:13:12 -0600, Tom Sherman
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Werehatrack wrote:
    >
    >> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:51:22 -0500, Sheldon Brown <[email protected]> may have said:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Stan Cox wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Having had a look at http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-rohloff/index.html all I can say is
    >>>>that you Sir are sick, sick, sick :)
    >>>
    >>>Yep, never denied it. That one is a demo, but I'm doing something similar on my new Thorn Raven
    >>>tourer, though without the disc brakes...
    >>
    >>
    >> It won't be really complete until you put a triple crank on it, though. (42 speeds, not as many
    >> as the old 63-speed you built, but still lots.)
    >
    >Bah! What Sheldon needs is a triple chainrings on a Schlumpf two-speed BB/crank for an 84-speed
    >bicycle. ;)
    >
    >Tom Sherman - Quad Cities

    If he were a girl he would, but as a real man what he wants is 4 chainrings, two speed BB/crank and
    7 sprockets on a 3speed hub for 168 gears. Was it Shimano or Sachs/SRAM who did that 7x3
    derailleur/hub gear thing?

    Kinky Cowboy*

    *Batteries not included May contain traces of nuts Your milage may vary
     
  14. Jeff S.

    Jeff S. Guest

    Thank you for recommending something other than the Karate Monkey. I chose not to mention it in my
    post, thinking there may be several options.

    I know the Karate Monkey. Unless they lose the green paint and unicrown fork, I will never consider
    it. It also appears rather clunky.

    If I went custom, I was thinking of Doug Curtiss of Curtlo Cycles in Washington state.

    'Anything, but the Karate Monkey' should have been the title of my post.

    "rosco" <reverse-the-following"ocsor_g"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Jeff S." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > I'm looking to find a steel frame that is built for use with disc
    brakes.
    > I
    > > read about many frames displayed at this past fall's bike shows, but
    they
    > > were aluminum. Salsa, Redline, etc.
    > >
    > > Ideally this frame-to-be would have rack and fender eyelets. Sloping top tube and threadless
    > > headset would also be nice. Will I need to go
    custom?
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance.
    > >
    > >
    >
    > Give Marinoni a call up in Canada (888-477-7133). They are doing their Turismo model this year
    > with a disc brake option. It's a steel bike (Columbus Zona), and Marinoni offers lots of
    > customization options as part of the standard offering. For a relatively small upcharge (~$150
    Canadian),
    > they will do many of their frames in a custom geometry if your fitting
    says
    > you need custom. You can get a frame or a complete bike, and they very
    much
    > Qui si parla Campagnolo (I believe they are also the Canadian distributor for Campagnolo) if that
    > is your preference. They make a very nice bike,
    and
    > a great value as well.
     
  15. Kurd

    Kurd Guest

    Oh, you mean a road bike? Because IF, Soulcraft, amongst other make steel mountain bikes with
    disc tabs.

    "Jeff S." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]cn.com...
    > I'm looking to find a steel frame that is built for use with disc brakes.
    I
    > read about many frames displayed at this past fall's bike shows, but they were aluminum. Salsa,
    > Redline, etc.
    >
    > Ideally this frame-to-be would have rack and fender eyelets. Sloping top tube and threadless
    > headset would also be nice. Will I need to go custom?
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
     
  16. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Kinky Cowboy wrote:

    > ... Was it Shimano or Sachs/SRAM who did that 7x3 derailleur/hub gear thing?

    Originally Sachs had a 2x6 hub (I believe) that was replaced by the 3x7 hub. [1] This was rebadged
    the Spectro 3x7 when SRAM purchased Sachs. It has been replaced by the 3x8 and 3x9 DualDrive [2]
    hubs, which have been redesigned internally for better shifting under load.

    Shimano is supposedly coming out with its own 3x9 hub.

    [1] Basically the Sachs Torpedo 3-speed internally geared hub with a 7-speed cassette
    attached to it.
    [2] <http://www.sram.com/pavement/dualdrive/index.asp>.

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities
     
  17. In article <[email protected]>,
    Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Kinky Cowboy wrote:
    >
    > > ... Was it Shimano or Sachs/SRAM who did that 7x3 derailleur/hub gear thing?
    >
    > Originally Sachs had a 2x6 hub (I believe) that was replaced by the 3x7 hub. [1] This was rebadged
    > the Spectro 3x7 when SRAM purchased Sachs. It has been replaced by the 3x8 and 3x9 DualDrive [2]
    > hubs, which have been redesigned internally for better shifting under load.
    >
    > Shimano is supposedly coming out with its own 3x9 hub.
    >
    > [1] Basically the Sachs Torpedo 3-speed internally geared hub with a 7-speed cassette attached
    > to it.
    > [2] <http://www.sram.com/pavement/dualdrive/index.asp>.

    I knew about the DualDrive, but even after reading their promo site, I don't particularly understand
    the motivation. Is there really that much clamor to combine the weight and inefficiency of a gear
    hub with the higher-maintenance and general fussiness of a derailleur?

    I see they tout it for a variety of applications, but I thought having multiple front rings
    (reducing chainline deviation when used well) was a good thing.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau, [email protected] http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club
     
  18. jeff-<< I'm looking to find a steel frame that is built for use with disc brakes. I read about many
    frames displayed at this past fall's bike shows, but they were aluminum. >><BR><BR>

    Soma makes one, their MTB one. Ya looking for a road/CX frame?

    Custom, Mark Nobilette can do it.

    Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"
     
  19. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Ryan Cousineau wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
    > wrote: ...
    >>[2] <http://www.sram.com/pavement/dualdrive/index.asp>.
    >
    >
    > I knew about the DualDrive, but even after reading their promo site, I don't particularly
    > understand the motivation. Is there really that much clamor to combine the weight and inefficiency
    > of a gear hub with the higher-maintenance and general fussiness of a derailleur?
    >
    > I see they tout it for a variety of applications, but I thought having multiple front rings
    > (reducing chainline deviation when used well) was a good thing.

    The DualDrive is likely not optimal for conventional road bikes or mountain bikes where conventional
    double and triple cranks combined with a rear derailleur work very well in most situations.

    The DualDrive (1.36:1 overdrive, 1:1 direct drive, 0.73:1 underdrive) will provide a greater gearing
    range than most triple cranks. This is especially advantageous on small drive wheel folders and
    recumbents, since oversize chainrings (e.g. 62-52-39) generally shift more poorly than smaller
    chainrings. [1]

    Having a single front chainring also allows the use of a partial chain cover/pant guard more readily
    than a derailleur system on city bikes. It can also simplify folding operations on a folder.

    The DualDrive can be used in conjunction with a front derailleur for a very wide gearing range. This
    is mostly useful on trikes (very low gears may be used while climbing) and on faired recumbents
    where the range of climbing to descending speeds is much greater than on an upright road bike.

    [1] Front derailleur setup is also more difficult, since all production front derailleurs that I am
    aware of are designed for smaller chainrings, so in stock form the curvature of the side plates
    is too great.

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities
     
  20. Onefred

    Onefred Guest

    "Sheldon Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Jeff S. wrote:
    >
    > > I'm looking to find a steel frame that is built for use with disc
    brakes. I
    > > read about many frames displayed at this past fall's bike shows, but
    they
    > > were aluminum. Salsa, Redline, etc.
    > >
    > > Ideally this frame-to-be would have rack and fender eyelets. Sloping top tube and threadless
    > > headset would also be nice. Will I need to go
    custom?
    >
    > We've got exactly what you seek, possibly the most versatile frameset ever: http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-karate-
    > monkey.html

    Is it not difficult getting the rear wheel and disc brake aligned?

    Dave
     
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