Stick to the rules alltogether!

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  1. cyclingheroes

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    Stick to the rules alltogether!

    17.08.2007/The organizers of the Hamburg Cyclassics do not want to see Danilo Di Luca, Allan Davis, Michael Rasmussen and Alberto Contador on the startlist of their race. Managing director Frank Bertels told German newsagency DPA that he doesn't want to see any riders who are under suspicion or are involved in a "pending [doping] case". Yet Erik Zabel, who has confessed to have taken performance enhancing drugs in the nineties, will be allowed to start. A call for fairness by cyclingheroes.

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  2. Bro Deal

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    It would be nearly impossible to find a rider from the mid-90's who didn't use EPO. Zabel shouldn't be punished for coming forward, especially when it happened a decade ago when the there was a different attitude about doping. Anything that helps break omerta is a good thing and should be encouraged.

    If Rasmussen or Di Luca or Alpuerto are man enough to admit what they did then maybe they should get a pass also.
     
  3. cyclingheroes

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    I have nothing against Zabel (although I don't believe he confessed voluntarily..) but I have something against banana republic. What's happening now isn't an anti-doping fight, this is marketing.
     
  4. Doctor.House

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    Finally grasping it CH?

    It has never been sport. Always TV-based mass marketing.

    Doping & mass media themes go together.

    Always have, always will.

    Zabel is a chump---just like Jan Ulrich is.
     
  5. jhuskey

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    They are not in the club. I am still not sure what it take to join.
     
  6. Bro Deal

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    That's the problem when things get completely out of hand. You cannot simply declare that things have changed and now everyone needs to stop doing what they are used to doing. You need to crack heads.

    I don't feel one bit of sympathy for riders like Contador. Even if you buy his fairy tale of being the only rider on Liberty Seguros who was not juicing, it is inconceivable that he did not know what was going on in the team. If he insists on maintaining omerta then fuck him and every rider like him.
     
  7. Doctor.House

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    There are no rules.



     
  8. cyclingheroes

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    Yes and let the officials who covered up Puerto stay in power:rolleyes:
     
  9. Doctor.House

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    Only corrupt poeple get into federations.
     
  10. wolfix

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    The attitude about doping is exactly the same as it was in the mid 90's. But you wouldn't know that, because I doubt seriously that you followed the sport. Nothing has changed except that the sporting bodies have been shown to be incompentent and enablers of doping by the civil authorities.
    No one has anything on Contador. If Contador is to be punished because he was on a team that had dopers, then there is not a team nor rider that should start.
    What we are starting to see is the movement of nationalism of races and riders.
     
  11. Bro Deal

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    Sanctions used to be time added to your GC time. Then they went to suspensions of a few months. Then they went to a year but the athlete could game the sanction so part of it was served in the off season. Then the off season ploy was done away with. Then the sanctions went to two years. And now they are effectively four years and organizers and the UCI are black listing athletes like Hamilton. To say that nothing has changed is utter bullshit. There has been a steady progression. You might want to check yourself for alzheimers, grandpa, since you seem to have become completely oblivious to what is going on around you.

    As much as you wish that doping to be swept back under the rug, that everyone to pretend that doping is not a problem, and that no one question the results, the wind is blowing in the opposite direction and its picking up force. Last year was a bad year for people who think like you, this year was worse, and next year won't get any better.

    As for weasels like Contador, he should be given a choice: Spill the beans or don't race.
     
  12. wolfix

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    There has been no changes. No one has really opened and provided anyone with any information. The civil authorities has exposed some things, but the cycling powers have not. Doping is still done as it always was. We saw that in the TDF. If the stories are true, the cycling bodies were basically called on by the police to find Vino doping. Why was that???? There is no general move towards ending the doping. As soon as the UCI and the ASO work out their problems it will be business as usual. This so called movement you believe in is nothing more then the cycling bodies using the riders as pawns.
    Your problem is your general hatred of Discovery. Contador has been cleared by everyone that matters. He has been cleared by the ASo and the UCI.
    The truth is that cycling will never be dope free. Way too much money in it to be so. The fans do not object to doping. The riders do not object to doping. The cycling bodies only started caring when the ProTour came about.
    I don't see anyone who matters in cycling really doing anything about it. We have a few people in the non cycling world that are seeking headlines.
    Now who do you think is clean?
     
  13. Holocaust

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    There are no official rules for Pro Sports, only public pretext, marketing themes and behind the stage crew orders.

    Prize money is wholly irrelevant, endorsements make the icon.

    If Nike endorsed Tiger Woods needs help, and it is close---he always gets it, from ball placement and including if the wheels need to fall off his closest competitor on Sunday. Rigged Quiz Shows are the perfect TV model.

    FIFA is full of illegal gaming action, fixed events and ubiquitous doping, yet little media attention is devoted to reporting such crimes.

    Hein Verbruggen, Pat McQuaid, Richard Pound, David Duffield, Phil Liggett, Franbkie Andreu, Paul Sherwin, Bobby Ventura, Lance Pharmstrong, Al Trautwig all serve the same master---the TV/radio/print Networks.

    True sport cannot function on televsion. Random winners hurt the brand names.

    The Holocaust was no joke, yet many rolled their eyes at it. Emotion, greed, denial and hypocrisy drive man.




     
  14. Tech72

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    True words.
     
  15. cyclingheroes

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    The Spanish riders were cleared because well it seems like the Spanish government want to bury Puerto. Too much at stake because of the involvement of other sports. That's not the fault of the riders or some omerta inside the peloton. Now cycling has enough problems at the moment (UCI-ASO conflict), they don't need race organizers who are policeofficer, prosecuter and judge in one person.

     
  16. wolfix

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    Exactly. Cycling cannot continue as we knew it without a srong body of international rules that are consistent. And race organizers are not the ones we need to rely on to do this. A few more years of this and cycling as we know it will not continue.
     
  17. classic1

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    WTF does the Holocaust have to do with a thread about race organisers trying to ban riders from their event?
     
  18. Holocaust

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    Death Camps had many rules as did the mass round ups.

    Pro Sports works with similar methods, with a Nike promised land.

    Did you not understand that classic1?

    Too funny.
     
  19. nns1400

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    Ask Doctor.House. Oh, wait, you just did. ;)
     
  20. nns1400

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    Oh, come on, Bro. Wolfix is right. You're now using a standard that would ban every rider. The problem is, as cyclingheroes has pointed out many times, is that they're not using ANY standards. No one has a clue now who is going to be allowed to start which races.


    Sounds like you are in the mood for a witch hunt.
     
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