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gds

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I thought he looked pretty good today. And 6th overall in a grand tour
is not bad placing.
 
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B. Lafferty

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"gds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>I thought he looked pretty good today. And 6th overall in a grand tour
> is not bad placing.
>


If the sport were totally clean, might he be wining the Vuelta this year
(assuming that he's clean)?
 
B. Lafferty wrote:
> "gds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> >I thought he looked pretty good today. And 6th overall in a grand tour
> > is not bad placing.
> >

>
> If the sport were totally clean, might he be wining the Vuelta this year
> (assuming that he's clean)?


Hooray, we have a new category of vitual GT winners, the "Virtual Clean
Winner vs. the Virtual Doped Rivers". I'm sure there are other
nominees, let's hear 'em!!
 
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Marty

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Hunter wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> > Hooray, we have a new category of vitual GT winners, the "Virtual Clean
> > Winner vs. the Virtual Doped Rivers". I'm sure there are other
> > nominees, let's hear 'em!!

>
> http://www.velonews.com/images/int/10860.16350.f.jpg
>
> Vino's thighs are nearly bigger than Danielson's waist. Isn't that
> conclusive enough proof that someone must be doping somewhere???


That is why Vino's performance in the mountains is so impressive. He's
just not built like the typical climbimg specialist - yet, he's there
with them.

I hope Vino wins the Giro and the TdF next year and I hope to God that
he is never "caught" doping.
--
Marty
 
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Simon Brooke

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in message <[email protected]>, B.
Lafferty ('[email protected]') wrote:

> "gds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>>I thought he looked pretty good today. And 6th overall in a grand tour
>> is not bad placing.

>
> If the sport were totally clean, might he be wining the Vuelta this year
> (assuming that he's clean)?


Oh, for heaven's sake.

Vino has never been accused of anything. I can't find anything serious
linking Valverde to doping. Danielson rides for a team founded by a doping
specialist - the original blood doping specialist - for which most of the
big name dopers of the past ten years have ridden at some stage.

Danielson is a has-been who, at the height of his career, was a reasonable
domestique, and who had a flash in the pan today when Vino gifted him a
stage win. He may be clean; he may not be. I don't know. But there's no
reason to believe he's any cleaner than Vino or Valverde or Sastre, all of
whom can beat him nine days out of ten.

--
[email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; Human history becomes more and more a race between
;; education and catastrophe.
H.G. Wells, "The Outline of History"
 
D

Donald Munro

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B. Lafferty wrote:

> If the sport were totally clean, might he be wining the Vuelta this year


Wining the Vuelta ? Must be a LiveDrunk(tm) sponsored jersey.
 
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gds

Guest
Simon Brooke wrote:

<snip>
>
> Danielson is a has-been who, at the height of his career, was a reasonable
> domestique,


<snip>

That's an interesting comment. One would think one would have to have
been a "been" before becoming a "has been". In terms of top level stage
racing I think it more either "never been" or "not yet been."
 
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Andre

Guest
Marty wrote:
> Hunter wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hooray, we have a new category of vitual GT winners, the "Virtual Clean
> > > Winner vs. the Virtual Doped Rivers". I'm sure there are other
> > > nominees, let's hear 'em!!

> >
> > http://www.velonews.com/images/int/10860.16350.f.jpg
> >
> > Vino's thighs are nearly bigger than Danielson's waist. Isn't that
> > conclusive enough proof that someone must be doping somewhere???

>
> That is why Vino's performance in the mountains is so impressive. He's
> just not built like the typical climbimg specialist - yet, he's there
> with them.
>
> I hope Vino wins the Giro and the TdF next year and I hope to God that
> he is never "caught" doping.
> --
> Marty


But if he's doping I hope he does get caught.

Andre
 
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bob sullivan

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[email protected] wrote:
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>>"gds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]
>>>I thought he looked pretty good today. And 6th overall in a grand tour
>>>is not bad placing.
>>>

>>If the sport were totally clean, might he be wining the Vuelta this year
>>(assuming that he's clean)?

>
> Hooray, we have a new category of vitual GT winners, the "Virtual Clean
> Winner vs. the Virtual Doped Rivers". I'm sure there are other
> nominees, let's hear 'em!!


Which category is Lemond in?

~bob
 
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bob sullivan

Guest
Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <[email protected]>, B.
> Lafferty ('[email protected]') wrote:
>>"gds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]
>>>I thought he looked pretty good today. And 6th overall in a grand tour
>>>is not bad placing.

>>
>>If the sport were totally clean, might he be wining the Vuelta this year
>>(assuming that he's clean)?

>
> Oh, for heaven's sake.
>
> Vino has never been accused of anything. I can't find anything serious
> linking Valverde to doping. Danielson rides for a team founded by a doping
> specialist - the original blood doping specialist - for which most of the
> big name dopers of the past ten years have ridden at some stage.


Basso was never accused of anything before this year, either.

> Danielson is a has-been who, at the height of his career, was a reasonable
> domestique, and who had a flash in the pan today when Vino gifted him a
> stage win. He may be clean; he may not be. I don't know. But there's no
> reason to believe he's any cleaner than Vino or Valverde or Sastre, all of
> whom can beat him nine days out of ten.


Danielson is a has-been at 28???

~bob
 
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ronaldo_jeremiah

Guest
gds wrote:
> I thought he looked pretty good today. And 6th overall in a grand tour
> is not bad placing.


6th in Vuelta = 26th TdF. Still not bad, but let's be honest.

-RJ
 
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Bob Schwartz

Guest
Simon Brooke wrote:
> gifted


I would have used the verb 'negotiated'.

Bob Schwartz
 
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Bob Schwartz

Guest
gds wrote:
> I thought he looked pretty good today. And 6th overall in a grand tour
> is not bad placing.


It was a good ride. And Jittery Joes was not racing there.

If he can ride well enough to establish credibility as a
a Grand Tour winner there is a spot for him in Europe.
Berzin rode like lunch meat for years but he always had
a contract because the number of people with even fading
Grand Tour credibility is so small.

Bob Schwartz
 
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Simon Brooke

Guest
in message <[email protected]>, John Forrest
Tomlinson ('[email protected]') wrote:

> On 13 Sep 2006 09:55:50 -0700, "Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>http://www.velonews.com/images/int/10860.16350.f.jpg
>>
>>Vino's thighs are nearly bigger than Danielson's waist. Isn't that
>>conclusive enough proof that someone must be doping somewhere???

>
> Diet pills are banned?


Frankly I was watching the stage and thinking that Danielson's belly is
considerably bigger than mine - and I'm two stone overweight. If he could
go easier on the pies, he might become a tour contender.

--
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; ... of course nothing said here will be taken notice of by
; the W3C. The official place to be ignored is on www-style or
; www-html. -- George Lund
 
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Simon Brooke

Guest
in message <[email protected]>, bob sullivan
('[email protected]') wrote:

> Simon Brooke wrote:
>> in message <[email protected]>, B.
>> Lafferty ('[email protected]') wrote:
>>>"gds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]
>>>>I thought he looked pretty good today. And 6th overall in a grand tour
>>>>is not bad placing.
>>>
>>>If the sport were totally clean, might he be wining the Vuelta this year
>>>(assuming that he's clean)?

>>
>> Oh, for heaven's sake.
>>
>> Vino has never been accused of anything. I can't find anything serious
>> linking Valverde to doping. Danielson rides for a team founded by a
>> doping specialist - the original blood doping specialist - for which
>> most of the big name dopers of the past ten years have ridden at some
>> stage.

>
> Basso was never accused of anything before this year, either.


Basso has never been shown to have taken anything. His adjourned hearing is
a fortnight today.

--
[email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; killing [afghan|iraqi] civilians is not 'justice'
 
G

gds

Guest
Simon Brooke wrote:
>
> Frankly I was watching the stage and thinking that Danielson's belly is
> considerably bigger than mine - and I'm two stone overweight. If he could
> go easier on the pies, he might become a tour contender.
>
> --
>

That's interesting. I've seen him in person when he trains in Tucson
and thought he was super skinny. And that is during winter training not
near the end of the euro racing season.
 
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Hunter

Guest
gds wrote:
> Simon Brooke wrote:
> >
> > Frankly I was watching the stage and thinking that Danielson's belly is
> > considerably bigger than mine - and I'm two stone overweight. If he could
> > go easier on the pies, he might become a tour contender.
> >
> > --
> >

> That's interesting. I've seen him in person when he trains in Tucson
> and thought he was super skinny. And that is during winter training not
> near the end of the euro racing season.


I got my doors blown off by him this spring and he's legit skinny. I
don't know why his viscera are so big.
 
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nobody

Guest
On 14 Sep 2006 10:09:27 -0700, "Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>gds wrote:
>> Simon Brooke wrote:
>> >
>> > Frankly I was watching the stage and thinking that Danielson's belly is
>> > considerably bigger than mine - and I'm two stone overweight. If he could
>> > go easier on the pies, he might become a tour contender.
>> >
>> > --
>> >

>> That's interesting. I've seen him in person when he trains in Tucson
>> and thought he was super skinny. And that is during winter training not
>> near the end of the euro racing season.

>
>I got my doors blown off by him this spring and he's legit skinny. I
>don't know why his viscera are so big.


Heh. hGH?