Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 miles in a day!

[Mike Vandeman]

Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 miles in a day!

Mike

Jun 2003 00:53:45 -0500 From: "Bob Bournique" <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003
22:53:44 -0700 Subject: Dumb and Dumber: Country cousin

Yeehaw! We rode 86.1dirt miles today. Boy, is my butt tired!

We started late, we took wrong turns, Bob got lost. It was a wild and crazy one. Thanks to all that
came out and I hope you all enjoyed it.

Funny thing, I posted this ride 2 months ago and it filled up within 10 hours at the 15 person max.
Then, I had people practially begging(well, some actually
did) to up it and take them too. But, today, under beautiful weather conditions, we only had 6. The
up side of it was that we were able to keep moving and had 33 miles in by the time we got to
Remlinger Farms.

No mechanicals we were not able to fix and not major injuries. ONe close up black bear siting and
one scary, no food deja vu visit back to the MS rest stop in the back of Griffin Creek Road.
(Don't ask.)

All in all, damn country fun and I'm already looking forward to the dirt century next year.

Thanks again!

Bob

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[Humongojugomang]

>Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 miles in a day!
>
>Mike

do you ever stop????

 

[Cameron]

"Humongojugomango" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> >Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 miles in a day!
> >
> >Mike
>
> do you ever stop????

Unfortunately, no.

I don't think he realizes that the "trails" Bob rode involves dirt roads and converted rail-trail.
Plus some single. I've ridden out there during the 2000 MS ride. I guess mountain bikes do more
damage than trains. ;-)

--
Cameron

 

[Cameron]

"Humongojugomango" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >I don't think he realizes that the "trails" Bob rode involves dirt roads and converted
> >rail-trail. Plus some single. I've ridden out there during the 2000 MS ride. I guess mountain
> >bikes do more damage than trains. ;-)
> >
>
> i think the trains only damage would be a one-time thing(when the tracks are laid) and the damage
> per run diminishes as more runs are made across said tracks...

But considering the size, speed, and noise of a train, how many animals die per car? Isn't that
M.V.'s point?

>
> and theres nothing more beautiful than an old abandoned trestle that has been overgrown with
> vegetation.....

Except watching someone trying to walk across one....

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On 15 Jun 2003 16:07:40 GMT, [email protected] (Humongojugomango) wrote:

.> .>Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 .>miles in a day!
.> .>Mike . .do you ever stop????

What are you talking about?
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:07:27 GMT, "Cameron" <[email protected]> wrote:

. ."Humongojugomango" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]... .> > .> >Still think hikers and mountain
bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 .> >miles in a day! .> > .> >Mike .> .> do you ever
stop???? . .Unfortunately, no. . .I don't think he realizes that the "trails" Bob rode involves dirt
roads and converted rail-trail. .Plus some single. I've ridden out there during the 2000 MS ride. I
guess mountain bikes do .more damage than trains. ;-)

You completely missed the point. This isn't the only place where mountain bikers travel several
times as far as hikers. In fact, they do it EVERYWHERE.
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[Cameron]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:07:27 GMT, "Cameron" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> . ."Humongojugomango" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]... .> > .> >Still think hikers and mountain
> bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 .> >miles in a day! .> > .> >Mike .> .> do you ever
> stop???? . .Unfortunately, no. . .I don't think he realizes that the "trails" Bob rode involves
> dirt roads and converted rail-trail. .Plus some single. I've ridden out there during the 2000 MS
> ride. I guess mountain bikes do .more damage than trains. ;-)
>
> You completely missed the point. This isn't the only place where mountain bikers travel several
> times as far as hikers. In fact, they do it EVERYWHERE.

Uh, Mike, we're talking about western WA here. Out of all the trails around here it's harder to find
trails that are open to mountain bikes than closed. Or did you even bother to check your facts?
Sorry, dumb question. You never do.

 

[Reco Diver]

Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 miles in a day!
>
> Mike
>

86.1 miles .... what a bunch of pansies .....

http://www.ws100.com/

http://www.ws100.com/webcast/wstrail.htm

or

http://www.ultrarunner.org/rr/rrindex.htm

or

http://www.coolrunning.com.au/ultra/glasshouse/glassh25.shtml

or

http://www.bighorntrailrun.com/

or

http://www.ncroadrunners.org/umstead/

or

http://www.marathonclubkassel.de/

or

http://www.vhtrc.org/mmt/

Most mountainbikers don't go nearly far enough ... besides they are fun to pass on the up hills when
I am out on a run.

R

 

[Reco Diver]

VP <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<BB138E00.42121%[email protected]>...
> Reco Diver,
>
> > 86.1 miles .... what a bunch of pansies .....
>
> 267 km (c. 165 miles) Paris to London (plus missing the ferry) in a day. Biking into London was
> strange. Hoodlums abound.

Missed the ferry? Did you swim the channel with your bike on your back .... now that would
be epic. ;-)

R

 

[Gary S .]

On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:59:15 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:

>Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 miles in a day!
>
How many mountain bikers can routinely do 86.1 miles in a day ride?

I am more familiar with road biking, where the vast majority of people who own bikes generally do no
more than 20-40 miles in a day. I cannot imagine that off road cyclists frequently do more mileage
than that.

Just as one cannot assume that the Tour de France is a typical ride for road cyclists, using extreme
events and competitions as typical of mountain biking is poor logic, poor science, and deceitful.

But you are far more interested in promoting your monomaniacal viewpoint than in being factual
or accurate.

Typical of someone who spends so much time trying to convince people he does not believe can be
convinced. Who's the idiot?

Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

 

[Bob]

"Gary S." <Idontwantspam@net> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:59:15 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE
86.1
> >miles in a day!
> >
> How many mountain bikers can routinely do 86.1 miles in a day ride?
>
> I am more familiar with road biking, where the vast majority of people who own bikes generally do
> no more than 20-40 miles in a day. I cannot imagine that off road cyclists frequently do more
> mileage than that.
>
[cut]

I've never ridden my mountain bike the same distance as I've ridden my racing bike. Even if the
elevation gained is the same, there's way more technique involved in mountain biking, and your heart
rate goes up just for the technique. Plus, there's sand, rocks, roots, drop offs, etc. Mountain
biking 86 miles in a day would be quite a feat. Plus, where do you go to even attempt this? The only
places I've ever been, you couldn't bike that much even if you wanted to -- there are not 86 miles
of trails.

--
Bob

 

[Gary S .]

On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:49:34 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Gary S." <Idontwantspam@net> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:59:15 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE
>86.1
>> >miles in a day!
>> >
>> How many mountain bikers can routinely do 86.1 miles in a day ride?
>>
>> I am more familiar with road biking, where the vast majority of people who own bikes generally do
>> no more than 20-40 miles in a day. I cannot imagine that off road cyclists frequently do more
>> mileage than that.
>>
>I've never ridden my mountain bike the same distance as I've ridden my racing bike. Even if the
>elevation gained is the same, there's way more technique involved in mountain biking, and your
>heart rate goes up just for the technique. Plus, there's sand, rocks, roots, drop offs, etc.
>Mountain biking 86 miles in a day would be quite a feat. Plus, where do you go to even attempt
>this? The only places I've ever been, you couldn't bike that much even if you wanted to -- there
>are not 86 miles of trails.

I am sure there are places, as I am sure there are people, who can do this, although crossing a
road or repeating are entirely possible. My point is that using this as typical of mountain
biking is wrong.

Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

 

[Blech]

Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 miles in a day!
>
> Mike

Mountain bikers aren't shitting in the wooods, setting up camp, building fires, leaving
trash, etc, etc.

>
> Jun 2003 00:53:45 -0500 From: "Bob Bournique" <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003
> 22:53:44 -0700 Subject: Dumb and Dumber: Country cousin
>
> Yeehaw! We rode 86.1dirt miles today. Boy, is my butt tired!
>
> We started late, we took wrong turns, Bob got lost. It was a wild and crazy one. Thanks to all
> that came out and I hope you all enjoyed it.
>
> Funny thing, I posted this ride 2 months ago and it filled up within 10 hours at the 15 person
> max. Then, I had people practially begging(well, some actually
> did) to up it and take them too. But, today, under beautiful weather conditions, we only had 6.
> The up side of it was that we were able to keep moving and had 33 miles in by the time we got
> to Remlinger Farms.
>
> No mechanicals we were not able to fix and not major injuries. ONe close up black bear siting and
> one scary, no food deja vu visit back to the MS rest stop in the back of Griffin Creek Road.
> (Don't ask.)
>
> All in all, damn country fun and I'm already looking forward to the dirt century next year.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Bob
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to
> help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Sorni]

"blech" <[email protected]> wrote in message (doesn't matter)
******

Hey, last we heard Darsh was rubbing you on his body to get rid of poison oak.

Bill "and here I thought he meant vomit...silly me" S.

 

[Jeff Strickland]

"blech" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE
86.1
> > miles in a day!
> >
> > Mike
>
> Mountain bikers aren't shitting in the wooods, setting up camp, building fires, leaving trash,
> etc, etc.
>
>
Sure they are, but they leave their piles 86 miles apart.

Mike is full of ****. I drive a motor vehicle in the backcountry areas that he wants to close, and I
have never gone 86 miles in a day, and all I have to do is push the pedals. I have had a long day if
I go 20 miles offhighway.

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:31:42 GMT, Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:

.On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:59:15 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> .wrote: . .>Still think
hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 .>miles in a day! .> .How many
mountain bikers can routinely do 86.1 miles in a day ride?

A lot more than the number of hikers who can do 86.1 miles in a day.

.I am more familiar with road biking, where the vast majority of people .who own bikes generally do
no more than 20-40 miles in a day.

Still several times as far as a hiker. Your point?

I cannot .imagine that off road cyclists frequently do more mileage than that. . .Just as one
cannot assume that the Tour de France is a typical ride .for road cyclists, using extreme events
and competitions as typical of .mountain biking is poor logic, poor science, and deceitful. . .But
you are far more interested in promoting your monomaniacal .viewpoint than in being factual or
accurate. . .Typical of someone who spends so much time trying to convince people .he does not
believe can be convinced. Who's the idiot? . .Happy trails, .Gary (net.yogi.bear)
.------------------------------------------------ .at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence .
.Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA .Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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[Mike Vandeman]

On 17 Jun 2003 10:51:22 -0700, [email protected] (blech) wrote:

.Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>... .> Still think hikers and mountain bikers have
the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 .> miles in a day! .> .> Mike . .Mountain bikers aren't shitting
in the wooods, setting up camp, .building fires, leaving trash, etc, etc.

Nor are day hikers.

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[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:49:34 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

. . ."Gary S." <Idontwantspam@net> wrote in message
.news:[email protected]... .> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:59:15 GMT, Mike
Vandeman <[email protected]> .> wrote: .> .> >Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same
impact? Try to HIKE .86.1 .> >miles in a day! .> > .> How many mountain bikers can routinely do 86.1
miles in a day ride? .> .> I am more familiar with road biking, where the vast majority of people .>
who own bikes generally do no more than 20-40 miles in a day. I cannot .> imagine that off road
cyclists frequently do more mileage than that. .> .[cut] . .I've never ridden my mountain bike the
same distance as I've ridden my .racing bike. Even if the elevation gained is the same, there's way
more .technique involved in mountain biking, and your heart rate goes up just for .the technique.
Plus, there's sand, rocks, roots, drop offs, etc. Mountain .biking 86 miles in a day would be quite
a feat. Plus, where do you go to .even attempt this? The only places I've ever been, you couldn't
bike that .much even if you wanted to -- there are not 86 miles of trails.

Who said that they stay on trails?
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:24:25 GMT, Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:

.On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:49:34 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote: . .>"Gary S."
<Idontwantspam@net> wrote in message .>news:[email protected]... .>> On
Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:59:15 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> .>> wrote: .>> .>> >Still think
hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE .>86.1 .>> >miles in a day! .>> > .>>
How many mountain bikers can routinely do 86.1 miles in a day ride? .>> .>> I am more familiar with
road biking, where the vast majority of people .>> who own bikes generally do no more than 20-40
miles in a day. I cannot .>> imagine that off road cyclists frequently do more mileage than that.
.>> .>I've never ridden my mountain bike the same distance as I've ridden my .>racing bike. Even if
the elevation gained is the same, there's way more .>technique involved in mountain biking, and your
heart rate goes up just for .>the technique. Plus, there's sand, rocks, roots, drop offs, etc.
Mountain .>biking 86 miles in a day would be quite a feat. Plus, where do you go to .>even attempt
this? The only places I've ever been, you couldn't bike that .>much even if you wanted to -- there
are not 86 miles of trails. . .I am sure there are places, as I am sure there are people, who can do
.this, although crossing a road or repeating are entirely possible. My .point is that using this as
typical of mountain biking is wrong.

I never said it is typical. But riding several times as far as a hiker IS typical. I notice that no
mountain bikers are volunteering to say how far they ride in a day....

.Happy trails, .Gary (net.yogi.bear) .------------------------------------------------ .at the 51st
percentile of ursine intelligence . .Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA .Please reply to:
garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

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[Mike Vandeman]

On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:23:33 GMT, "Cameron" <[email protected]> wrote:

. ."Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]... .> On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:07:27 GMT, "Cameron"
<[email protected]> wrote: .> .> . .> ."Humongojugomango" <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]... .> .> > .> .> >Still think
hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to HIKE 86.1 .> .> >miles in a day! .> .> > .>
.> >Mike .> .> .> .> do you ever stop???? .> . .> .Unfortunately, no. .> . .> .I don't think he
realizes that the "trails" Bob rode involves dirt roads and converted rail-trail. .> .Plus some
single. I've ridden out there during the 2000 MS ride. I guess mountain bikes do .> .more damage
than trains. ;-) .> .> You completely missed the point. This isn't the only place where mountain
bikers .> travel several times as far as hikers. In fact, they do it EVERYWHERE. . .Uh, Mike, we're
talking about western WA here. Out of all the trails around here it's harder .to find trails that
are open to mountain bikes than closed. Or did you even bother to check .your facts? Sorry, dumb
question. You never do.

What does that have to do with anything? Mountain bikers still travel several times as far as
hikers, WHETHER THEY STAY ON LEGAL TRAILS OR NOT!
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